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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 20:13:14 GMT
Can't really say anything against that. Bryan Cogman disagrees. Apparently it's his favorite character. He probably saved him from exclusion He saved Dorne from exclusion also.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 20:03:30 GMT
What do you think will be the reason for Euron's banishment? I was thinking that they could fuse Vic and Damphair in a way that Euron slept with Aeron's wife. Though Aeron became religious after the Greyjoy Rebellion, and IIRC the Drowned Men don't take wives. The show could of course change his reasons for becoming a priest or say that Euron's been exiled for 10+ years. In the books he has been away for three years only. I think they will fuse Vic and Balon in a way that Euron slept with Balon's wife. Theon' and Yara's mother. It would be more personal to them. No one cares about Aeron.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 19:33:16 GMT
archiechvyalthan Can you tell me what information do we have about the Riveralnds in E9? I think the specific episode 9 placement came from Reddit. But I wouldn't call it totally confirmed or anything, it could happen in 8. I thought we got an information about Brienne being there in E8. Nikolaj said that they will use Riverrun set for an episode and a half. So I think it will be E7 and E8. And then E10 will be at the Twins.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 18:27:09 GMT
archiechvyalthan Can you tell me what information do we have about the Riveralnds in E9?
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 18:20:32 GMT
Yes. This does look like post-battle scene for me. So the battle could be in E8. It makes sense that they will need two more episodes after the battle to prepare for Westeros. Maybe Theon and Yara can arrive in E09 or E10. The battle/Dothraki charge shot at the quarry was directed by Sapochnik, so the Meereen battle has to be ep. 9 or 10. This still can be a post battle scene. How much time will the Battle for the North take? 30 minutes? Like Hardhome? Meereen could take 15-20 minutes. And I did't know we have confirmation about the Riverlands in E9.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 18:15:44 GMT
She knew. Cat: How dare you? LF: You may have heard false reports. Cat: You betrayed Ned. LF: Betrayed? I wanted him to serve as Protector of the Realm. I begged him to seize the moment. Cat: I trusted you. My husband trusted you. And you repaid our faith with treachery.Lots of things seem to be common knowledge in the show, whereas in the books they are not. This and Roose's part in the RW, for example. That allows them to move plot much quicker.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 18:14:34 GMT
The director on scene is Sapochnik, so that would fit. Hopefully this vindicates my three-battles-in-ep.-609 theory. I'd like to be right about that. Alright, so we have Riverlands, Meereen and Snowbowl confirmed for episode 9. Although, to be fair, the Riverlands stuff could be just the end of the battle (maybe most of the action is in episode 7) and Meereen could be the beginning of whatever goes down in episode 10. This way it wouldn't feel too cluttered. The Riverlands stuff is confirmed for E9? I thought it was in E7, 8 and 10.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 18:13:11 GMT
Yes. This does look like post-battle scene for me. So the battle could be in E8. It makes sense that they will need two more episodes after the battle to prepare for Westeros. Maybe Theon and Yara can arrive in E09 or E10.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 17:54:26 GMT
So if this is from 6x9, does it mean that the battle for Meereen is in E8?
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 17:48:14 GMT
My theory is that Sans a will find out about Ned from Brienne. Brienne spent some time with Cat. We can assume that Cat told her about LF's betrayal, because Cat somehow knew about that in S2. And we know that Brienne wanted to speak with Sansa in private in S5E2. Maybe to tell her this. Maybe to tell her about Arya. maybe both. The other possibility is that LF will play some role in Rickon's death. Maybe he will tell useful information to Ramsay. Or they will combine all of this. 1. Ned's betrayal 2. Sensa's marriage 3. Rickon's death Enough reason to kill him. Cat did not know what LF actually did. All she knew was that while she was in KL LF promised to help Ned. Then he showed up at Renly's camp on a Lannister mission. She knew. Cat: How dare you? LF: You may have heard false reports. Cat: You betrayed Ned. LF: Betrayed? I wanted him to serve as Protector of the Realm. I begged him to seize the moment. Cat: I trusted you. My husband trusted you. And you repaid our faith with treachery.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 17:39:25 GMT
Is this from 6x09? I saw this on Reddit.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 14:28:42 GMT
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 14:12:03 GMT
I didn't say it was a filler, I sad it was born from filler.
The conflict between Varys and Littlefinger in S1 was created as a filler, because the episodes were too short. D&D said that.
And that gave them an opportunity to use that in S3 with Sansa-Tyrell-Lannister plots.
I don't think they shared any scenes in S2. And they never mentioned each other in S4 and S5.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 14:03:40 GMT
My theory is that Sans a will find out about Ned from Brienne. Brienne spent some time with Cat. We can assume that Cat told her about LF's betrayal, because Cat somehow knew about that in S2. And we know that Brienne wanted to speak with Sansa in private in S5E2. Maybe to tell her this. Maybe to tell her about Arya. maybe both.
The other possibility is that LF will play some role in Rickon's death. Maybe he will tell useful information to Ramsay.
Or they will combine all of this.
1. Ned's betrayal 2. Sensa's marriage 3. Rickon's death
Enough reason to kill him.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 13:47:39 GMT
We need to be careful when discussing future plots because what's happening in the books is way different than what's going on with the show despite having essentially the same backbone of a story. On the show, they have indeed played up an adversarial competition between Varys and Littlefinger and I loved their verbal sparring in the early seasons. I disagree with whoever said it was just filler. The actors are terrific when paired and are both 'in-the-know' about a lot of things most in Westeros are not so it's useful to have them as handy players for most of the pawns in the game. We've seen Littlefinger pull some major plays in the last two seasons now I think it's Varys turn to play his moves with an equally aggressive plan from the Targaryen camp. I didn't say it was pointless.I said that their rivalry is not something that's important for the story. I just think that is pointless that after everything that happened, we see LF fighting against the WW with Jon and Sansa. That makes no sens eto me. He is Sansa's main antagonist. He will die at her orders, I think we all agree on that. I write a post where I explain how things can go down in S6. Sansa can find out about his betrayal, she can use him politically and she can manipulate him, using a memory of her mother. All I said was, that after that, the only logical thing that is left for LF is to die. S7 and S8 will deal with WW, Dany's invasion, Euron, Mad Queen Cersei,... I just can't see LF's place in the North after 6x10. The main focus for everyone in the North in S7 will be the WW. What LF can achieve in those circumstances? I understand that for some, the idea of having the last war between LF's and Varys's puppets is interesting, but I don't think that Sansa and Jon can be LF's puppets. LF position is weak. The only thing that Sansa has do to is to tell everybody in the Vale that LF killed Lysa and that she was forced to lie for him. That is the end for him. He will lose all power then. And the only thing Sansa needs is a motive. Yes, her marriage was a disaster, but we all want her to find out about Ned. And she can find out that by Brienne. So everything fits. There is no need to drag this to S7. We will have different things to focus then.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 9:58:49 GMT
I'm really impressed that nothing leaked this year for the first time ever. Good job, HBO.
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Post by mau on Apr 13, 2016 8:39:09 GMT
From a guy on /r/asoiaf: I hadn't connected those specific dots. A few hours ago I agreed with nikma that LF might die this season, but the idea of Varys and Littlefinger being in opposite sides of two major alliances is too cool not to entertain, and didn't we hear about Conleth Hill and Diana Rigg both being in the same set? That could be arrangement of a huge Targaryen-Tyrell-Martell alliance. Meanwhile, the Freys and the Boltons get destroyed and the Tullys and the Starks are restored to power, with Littlefinger at their side bringing the support of the Vale. It mirrors Robert's Rebellion so well that it would be a shame not to happen. But that shadow war is a show invention, born from filler in S1. I don't think that is something GRRM planned ot something important to the endgame. I think some fans are thinking too much about LF-Varys rivalry. They never mentioned each other after S3. I don't think that the show is setting them up at two opposite sides of the war. Everything I said about LF's position in the North still stands. LF is not in a position to use Jon and Sansa as his puppets. And he won't genuinely be at their side. He can't be at the head of the Vale-Winterfell-Riverlands as that theory is suggesting. It is impossible. WW will invade the North. He has no place in that storyline. His death at the end of E6 will be when he reaches the highest point. He won't have similar situations in S7 or S8. You are suggesting that LF will help Jon and Sansa to unite the Westeros against the WW?
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Post by mau on Apr 12, 2016 23:42:54 GMT
I think it will change, otherwise his death won't have any impact on the audience.
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Post by mau on Apr 12, 2016 23:35:32 GMT
Well, maybe he will do something before his death. But not every character in the story where you have a hundreds of characters can serve some great purpose. He was there for Bran's character development in S1-3, and I don't know what he will do in S6. I just think that super book fans have great expectations of him, because they created so many theories about him after aDwD. For the majority of show watchers and book readers he is just some random, non important character. If he actually did something in S6, that would be better, IMO. But I'm not counting on that. I just find it nonsensical to include a character that could have easily been cut, especially if his purpose is just to die to make an impact on other characters. If he had his own little arc, no matter how small, that would be better. His inclusion should be an end in itself. What I'm saying here is that I'm critical of shaggydog stories in general. I just don't see how the story benefits from that. I we were talking about some normal show I would agree. But here you have hundreds of characters. Some of them will be created just for emotional impact. I don't know. What purpose Myrcella had? Or Lommy? Or Hot Pie?
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Post by mau on Apr 12, 2016 23:32:33 GMT
maybe GrrM thought that 5 kids is better than 4 kids. Well, maybe he will do something before his death. But not every character in the story where you have a hundreds of characters can serve some great purpose. He was there for Bran's character development in S1-3, and I don't know what he will do in S6. I just think that super book fans have great expectations of him, because they created so many theories about him after aDwD. For the majority of show watchers and book readers he is just some random, non important character. For a long time my dream ending for the North was Rickon coming back from Skagos as a psychotic cannibal and growing up to be worse lord of Winterfell than Ramsay, capturing nobles and feasting on their meat, forcing lords to eat their kin and shit like that, making the Northeners despise House Stark for generations and miss the days the Boltons rules the North. Now I'm starting to accept his possible death, so I guess I'll have to settle for Sansa as Queen in the North or something. Those are kinds of theories from super book fans I was talking about.
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