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Post by Hound Dog on Jun 14, 2016 4:43:08 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's a prosthetic. If it's not, he could use a little sunlight on his man bits. Oh sure, I'll just sunbathe my peni- hey, why are you arresting me? Hey, he has a boat. Put that sun deck to use!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 4:49:09 GMT
I assume there were probably a handful of faceless men that Arya could have interacted with in THoBaW. Which is why I think season 5 Jaqen wasn't necessarily the one she met in season 2, but the Kindly Man chose a face she'd find trustworthy. I don't know, it doesn't make much sense, so I'm trying not to overthink it. Yeah I think it was definitely two different Faceless Men wearing Jaqen's face and then once the second one drank the poison, there was a third Jaqen. Fuck knows. But since Arya didn't kill him, I think we could see him again, potentially in Oldtown.
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Post by Enid on Jun 14, 2016 8:25:31 GMT
Oh Waif, you were a bigger failure at FMing than Arya. You won't be missed. Don't say that - I've already started missing her ! And while being a big FM failure, I'd say she was a pretty decent trainer for Arya. She became a pain in the ass, always giving shit to Arya for not being truly No One while clearly exposing her hate and how superior she felt, showing everyone that she wasn't No One either. I have to be honest, as great as the chase sequence was and as much as I love Arya's last scene in THOBAW, I feel like the show didn't give this storyline the time and attention it deserved. Is probably my Arya bias at work here, but as I've said a million times before, Arya should have arrived to Braavos in the middle of season 4 (even if that meant not seeing her for a while) so they could catch up with her later and have her learn off screen, like Bran. The reason they didn't is because they love the Hound and wanted to have the Brienne vs. Sandor fight for the finale. I'm not even sure what Arya has learned with them besides parkour, how to fight blind and how to tolerate pain. No languages, no blending in, no killing people in ways that make it look like an accident or a natural death, no gathering information, not sure she knows how to lie and detect lies, and she supposedly learned how to identify poisons by smell while she was blind, but in this episode she asked Lady Crane what she was putting in her drink... And look at how confused everyone is about Jaqen being really Jaqen, how the faces work, if the only two people in the temple were the Waif and Jaqen or they showed different FM using the same face, the fountain that kills or heals randomly, etc. Instead of setting up some rules about the FM and their magic they decided to do whatever they wanted. Did the FM really kill one of their own just to teach Arya a lesson or was it some trick? Can they use whatever face they please even if is not in their possession or was Arya having hallucinations as a side effect of the poison that made her blind? Did the same water that killed that sick girl give Arya her eyes back or did Jaqen add something to restore her sight? I'm not saying that I need everything explained to me, I like shows that leave some things up in the air, but being a bit ambiguous is not the same as doing whatever you want just because.
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Post by Enid on Jun 14, 2016 9:37:36 GMT
Ozzyman explains my issues of how the show handled the FM better than I ever could.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 9:48:54 GMT
Don't say that - I've already started missing her ! And while being a big FM failure, I'd say she was a pretty decent trainer for Arya. She became a pain in the ass, always giving shit to Arya for not being truly No One while clearly exposing her hate and how superior she felt, showing everyone that she wasn't No One either. I have to be honest, as great as the chase sequence was and as much as I love Arya's last scene in THOBAW, I feel like the show didn't give this storyline the time and attention it deserved. Is probably my Arya bias at work here, but as I've said a million times before, Arya should have arrived to Braavos in the middle of season 4 (even if that meant not seeing her for a while) so they could catch up with her later and have her learn off screen, like Bran. The reason they didn't is because they love the Hound and wanted to have the Brienne vs. Sandor fight for the finale. I'm not even sure what Arya has learned with them besides parkour, how to fight blind and how to tolerate pain. No languages, no blending in, no killing people in ways that make it look like an accident or a natural death, no gathering information, not sure she knows how to lie and detect lies, and she supposedly learned how to identify poisons by smell while she was blind, but in this episode she asked Lady Crane what she was putting in her drink... And look at how confused everyone is about Jaqen being really Jaqen, how the faces work, if the only two people in the temple were the Waif and Jaqen or they showed different FM using the same face, the fountain that kills or heals randomly, etc. Instead of setting up some rules about the FM and their magic they decided to do whatever they wanted. Did the FM really kill one of their own just to teach Arya a lesson or was it some trick? Can they use whatever face they please even if is not in their possession or was Arya having hallucinations as a side effect of the poison that made her blind? Did the same water that killed that sick girl give Arya her eyes back or did Jaqen add something to restore her sight? I'm not saying that I need everything explained to me, I like shows that leave some things up in the air, but being a bit ambiguous is not the same as doing whatever you want just because. This so much, yas gurl
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Post by Admin on Jun 14, 2016 10:01:36 GMT
I can barely sleep at night wondering who the hell will mop the floors in HoBaW now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 11:25:20 GMT
Don't say that - I've already started missing her ! And while being a big FM failure, I'd say she was a pretty decent trainer for Arya. She became a pain in the ass, always giving shit to Arya for not being truly No One while clearly exposing her hate and how superior she felt, showing everyone that she wasn't No One either. I have to be honest, as great as the chase sequence was and as much as I love Arya's last scene in THOBAW, I feel like the show didn't give this storyline the time and attention it deserved. Is probably my Arya bias at work here, but as I've said a million times before, Arya should have arrived to Braavos in the middle of season 4 (even if that meant not seeing her for a while) so they could catch up with her later and have her learn off screen, like Bran. The reason they didn't is because they love the Hound and wanted to have the Brienne vs. Sandor fight for the finale. I'm not even sure what Arya has learned with them besides parkour, how to fight blind and how to tolerate pain. No languages, no blending in, no killing people in ways that make it look like an accident or a natural death, no gathering information, not sure she knows how to lie and detect lies, and she supposedly learned how to identify poisons by smell while she was blind, but in this episode she asked Lady Crane what she was putting in her drink... And look at how confused everyone is about Jaqen being really Jaqen, how the faces work, if the only two people in the temple were the Waif and Jaqen or they showed different FM using the same face, the fountain that kills or heals randomly, etc. Instead of setting up some rules about the FM and their magic they decided to do whatever they wanted. Did the FM really kill one of their own just to teach Arya a lesson or was it some trick? Can they use whatever face they please even if is not in their possession or was Arya having hallucinations as a side effect of the poison that made her blind? Did the same water that killed that sick girl give Arya her eyes back or did Jaqen add something to restore her sight? I'm not saying that I need everything explained to me, I like shows that leave some things up in the air, but being a bit ambiguous is not the same as doing whatever you want just because. I would have disagreed with you last week, but this last episode was Arya's episode, and she's my favorite character, and I didn't even choose her scenes as my favorites. The problem isn't Maisie, and it isn't the actors, so it must be the writing. This story line was always going to be really hard to put on screen, so I'm not mad. Just noting.
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Post by Enid on Jun 14, 2016 11:50:29 GMT
She became a pain in the ass, always giving shit to Arya for not being truly No One while clearly exposing her hate and how superior she felt, showing everyone that she wasn't No One either. I have to be honest, as great as the chase sequence was and as much as I love Arya's last scene in THOBAW, I feel like the show didn't give this storyline the time and attention it deserved. Is probably my Arya bias at work here, but as I've said a million times before, Arya should have arrived to Braavos in the middle of season 4 (even if that meant not seeing her for a while) so they could catch up with her later and have her learn off screen, like Bran. The reason they didn't is because they love the Hound and wanted to have the Brienne vs. Sandor fight for the finale. I'm not even sure what Arya has learned with them besides parkour, how to fight blind and how to tolerate pain. No languages, no blending in, no killing people in ways that make it look like an accident or a natural death, no gathering information, not sure she knows how to lie and detect lies, and she supposedly learned how to identify poisons by smell while she was blind, but in this episode she asked Lady Crane what she was putting in her drink... And look at how confused everyone is about Jaqen being really Jaqen, how the faces work, if the only two people in the temple were the Waif and Jaqen or they showed different FM using the same face, the fountain that kills or heals randomly, etc. Instead of setting up some rules about the FM and their magic they decided to do whatever they wanted. Did the FM really kill one of their own just to teach Arya a lesson or was it some trick? Can they use whatever face they please even if is not in their possession or was Arya having hallucinations as a side effect of the poison that made her blind? Did the same water that killed that sick girl give Arya her eyes back or did Jaqen add something to restore her sight? I'm not saying that I need everything explained to me, I like shows that leave some things up in the air, but being a bit ambiguous is not the same as doing whatever you want just because. I would have disagreed with you last week, but this last episode was Arya's episode, and she's my favorite character, and I didn't even choose her scenes as my favorites. The problem isn't Maisie, and it isn't the actors, so it must be the writing. This story line was always going to be really hard to put on screen, so I'm not mad. Just noting. I'm not mad, either, even if the rant gives that impression. I'm dissapointed because, at the end, the FM storyline left me cold, the only part that had me cheering was Arya reclaiming her identity and saying she was going home. I agree is not the easiest storyline to adapt, but if they had given it more time, had given some context to the things the FM do, and with a few rules to show how the FM work, the storyline could have been much better. I was re-reading some Arya chapters last week and realized that the chapter in which Arya gets Needle back is the same one in which she leaves Westeros. We could have had Arya in Braavos in season 4, but because they love Sandor so much, Arya's character development had to wait a whole season and it made her training feel rushed and incomplete. It doesn't help that they built the conflict between Arya and the Waif for two seasons only to skip their fight because apparently teaching Arya to fight blind is the only skill the FM had taught her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 11:58:11 GMT
I would have disagreed with you last week, but this last episode was Arya's episode, and she's my favorite character, and I didn't even choose her scenes as my favorites. The problem isn't Maisie, and it isn't the actors, so it must be the writing. This story line was always going to be really hard to put on screen, so I'm not mad. Just noting. I'm not mad, either, even if the rant gives that impression. I'm dissapointed because, at the end, the FM storyline left me cold, the only part that had me cheering was Arya reclaiming her identity and saying she was going home. I agree is not the easiest storyline to adapt, but if they had given it more time, had given some context to the things the FM do, and with a few rules to show how the FM work, the storyline could have been much better. I was re-reading some Arya chapters last week and realized that the chapter in which Arya gets Needle back is the same one in which she leaves Westeros. We could have had Arya in Braavos in season 4, but because they love Sandor so much, Arya's character development had to wait a whole season and it made her training feel rushed and incomplete. It doesn't help that they built the conflict between Arya and the Waif for two seasons only to skip their fight because apparently teaching Arya to fight blind is the only skill the FM had taught her. That's a rough one for me, because I like Sandor almost as much, and I thought their scenes together were great. She actually did learn quite a lot from him before she ever went to Braavos. I didn't think her training felt rushed either. If anything, it felt sort of drug out. I think part of the problem was that the Waif hated her so much and we never learned why. I guess she was just jealous that this young upstart was obviously Jaqen's favorite, but it wasn't the real Jaqen, so that doesn't really make sense. And yes, the poisons didn't make sense. And the fuckup on the bridge should have been less fucker-uppery...a mistake is expected, but she should have felt the old lady's presence and gotten away a little quicker with less severe stabbing. That would have made her quick recovery more believable as well. The best part of Arya's story line in Braavos happened in the context of the play and Lady Crane. I really do think watching a young girl learn to be a silent, blind assassin just can't be as interesting to watch as it is to read. I thought it was cool that she had that one advantage over the Waif, blindness, and she had the advantage because she didn't follow the rules. Now that is Arya Stark.
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Post by Enid on Jun 14, 2016 12:11:58 GMT
I'm not mad, either, even if the rant gives that impression. I'm dissapointed because, at the end, the FM storyline left me cold, the only part that had me cheering was Arya reclaiming her identity and saying she was going home. I agree is not the easiest storyline to adapt, but if they had given it more time, had given some context to the things the FM do, and with a few rules to show how the FM work, the storyline could have been much better. I was re-reading some Arya chapters last week and realized that the chapter in which Arya gets Needle back is the same one in which she leaves Westeros. We could have had Arya in Braavos in season 4, but because they love Sandor so much, Arya's character development had to wait a whole season and it made her training feel rushed and incomplete. It doesn't help that they built the conflict between Arya and the Waif for two seasons only to skip their fight because apparently teaching Arya to fight blind is the only skill the FM had taught her. That's a rough one for me, because I like Sandor almost as much, and I thought their scenes together were great. She actually did learn quite a lot from him before she ever went to Braavos. I didn't think her training felt rushed either. If anything, it felt sort of drug out. I think part of the problem was that the Waif hated her so much and we never learned why. I guess she was just jealous that this young upstart was obviously Jaqen's favorite, but it wasn't the real Jaqen, so that doesn't really make sense. And yes, the poisons didn't make sense. And the fuckup on the bridge should have been less fucker-uppery...a mistake is expected, but she should have felt the old lady's presence and gotten away a little quicker with less severe stabbing. That would have made her quick recovery more believable as well. The best part of Arya's story line in Braavos happened in the context of the play and Lady Crane. I really do think watching a young girl learn to be a silent, blind assassin just can't be as interesting to watch as it is to read. I thought it was cool that she had that one advantage over the Waif, blindness, and she had the advantage because she didn't follow the rules. Now that is Arya Stark. I like Sandor, just not enough to delay Arya's story on his behalf. I know she did learn some things from him in season 4, but their scenes became very repetitive very soon. Good scenes, that work on their own, but once you look at all of them combined, you realize most of them could have been dedicated to something else. IMO the reason Arya's training dragged for some people is because it was also repetitive, her storyline has been really slow the last two seasons, with huge, sudden jumps to add some action. They could have added more variety to her training than showing her fight and get the shit beaten out of her all the time. As I said, they could have added the language thing even in a montage, the poisons, the ruling your face stuff, the self-control, how their hits require some thinking and planning so people can't know it it was murder or not...
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 14, 2016 12:27:39 GMT
I can barely sleep at night wondering who the hell will mop the floors in HoBaW now. Read my review!
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 14, 2016 13:45:10 GMT
Also LOL at Tommen quoting Cersei of all people in his speeches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 14:12:06 GMT
Also LOL at Tommen quoting Cersei of all people in his speeches. Ya know, no one has commented on what a great job Dean-Charles Chapman is doing. He is nearly as pathetic, pitiable, and disappointing as Joffrey was cruel. And his facial expressions during that speech were great. You could see everything that was going on in Tommen's head right on his face.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 15:33:02 GMT
She became a pain in the ass, always giving shit to Arya for not being truly No One while clearly exposing her hate and how superior she felt, showing everyone that she wasn't No One either. I have to be honest, as great as the chase sequence was and as much as I love Arya's last scene in THOBAW, I feel like the show didn't give this storyline the time and attention it deserved. Is probably my Arya bias at work here, but as I've said a million times before, Arya should have arrived to Braavos in the middle of season 4 (even if that meant not seeing her for a while) so they could catch up with her later and have her learn off screen, like Bran. The reason they didn't is because they love the Hound and wanted to have the Brienne vs. Sandor fight for the finale. I'm not even sure what Arya has learned with them besides parkour, how to fight blind and how to tolerate pain. No languages, no blending in, no killing people in ways that make it look like an accident or a natural death, no gathering information, not sure she knows how to lie and detect lies, and she supposedly learned how to identify poisons by smell while she was blind, but in this episode she asked Lady Crane what she was putting in her drink... And look at how confused everyone is about Jaqen being really Jaqen, how the faces work, if the only two people in the temple were the Waif and Jaqen or they showed different FM using the same face, the fountain that kills or heals randomly, etc. Instead of setting up some rules about the FM and their magic they decided to do whatever they wanted. Did the FM really kill one of their own just to teach Arya a lesson or was it some trick? Can they use whatever face they please even if is not in their possession or was Arya having hallucinations as a side effect of the poison that made her blind? Did the same water that killed that sick girl give Arya her eyes back or did Jaqen add something to restore her sight? I'm not saying that I need everything explained to me, I like shows that leave some things up in the air, but being a bit ambiguous is not the same as doing whatever you want just because. I would have disagreed with you last week, but this last episode was Arya's episode, and she's my favorite character, and I didn't even choose her scenes as my favorites. The problem isn't Maisie, and it isn't the actors, so it must be the writing. This story line was always going to be really hard to put on screen, so I'm not mad. Just noting.Sorry I missed this great convo between you and Enid this morning but you both have summed it up so well I will just add my agreement that after watching the episode twice now and specifically the chase scene, you both have found the source of my unhappiness better than I could especially what I bold faced there from you @witchy ... that's exactly what went wrong for me. At first I dismissed myself because I figured I was just annoyed they didn't do the weird 'plot twist theory' of Jaqen testing waif by being Arya. The evidence of how oddly Arya acted leading up to the waif's attack in 6x07 seemed compelling enough to think something was up ... a trap was being set, right? Then we found out that no, it was just Arya and somehow she didn't even recognize the same old lady face that she actually touched back in season 5?! That's when disappointment hit me. They wrote that so ... wrong. The acting from everyone was fantastic. I was genuinely sad for Lady Crane's death so I was invested in her character. The stunts were exceptionally well done, Maisie did her own jumps! All the extras in the crowded narrow streets did a great job too. The ending was awesome in the room between just Waif and Arya. I liked the snicking out of the candle. I didn't need to see the Waif get stabbed by Needle, my imagination did fine on that and it gave suspense to the bloody face on the wall. I loved the dialogue between Jaqen and Arya and the delivery of her announcement she's done with the Faceless Men and going home. It was all wonderful. It was just the fact that they led up to it in such a weird way in 6x07 that now disappoints me post 6x08. It was disjointed and odd. I can even forgive the fact they gave her a much more serious wound than she should have humanly been able to endure running through streets and doing jumps like that. But I can't forgive the fact that Arya should have known that old lady face and should have reacted better. Yes she screwed up, yes I get it that was the point, but I think they should have done that differently as there was really no need to make the audience think she's going to die - Arya's plot armor is so thick even non-book readers knew she would make it out of that.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 14, 2016 16:09:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 16:39:26 GMT
I would have disagreed with you last week, but this last episode was Arya's episode, and she's my favorite character, and I didn't even choose her scenes as my favorites. The problem isn't Maisie, and it isn't the actors, so it must be the writing. This story line was always going to be really hard to put on screen, so I'm not mad. Just noting.Sorry I missed this great convo between you and Enid this morning but you both have summed it up so well I will just add my agreement that after watching the episode twice now and specifically the chase scene, you both have found the source of my unhappiness better than I could especially what I bold faced there from you @witchy ... that's exactly what went wrong for me. At first I dismissed myself because I figured I was just annoyed they didn't do the weird 'plot twist theory' of Jaqen testing waif by being Arya. The evidence of how oddly Arya acted leading up to the waif's attack in 6x07 seemed compelling enough to think something was up ... a trap was being set, right? Then we found out that no, it was just Arya and somehow she didn't even recognize the same old lady face that she actually touched back in season 5?! That's when disappointment hit me. They wrote that so ... wrong. The acting from everyone was fantastic. I was genuinely sad for Lady Crane's death so I was invested in her character. The stunts were exceptionally well done, Maisie did her own jumps! All the extras in the crowded narrow streets did a great job too. The ending was awesome in the room between just Waif and Arya. I liked the snicking out of the candle. I didn't need to see the Waif get stabbed by Needle, my imagination did fine on that and it gave suspense to the bloody face on the wall. I loved the dialogue between Jaqen and Arya and the delivery of her announcement she's done with the Faceless Men and going home. It was all wonderful. It was just the fact that they led up to it in such a weird way in 6x07 that now disappoints me post 6x08. It was disjointed and odd. I can even forgive the fact they gave her a much more serious wound than she should have humanly been able to endure running through streets and doing jumps like that. But I can't forgive the fact that Arya should have known that old lady face and should have reacted better. Yes she screwed up, yes I get it that was the point, but I think they should have done that differently as there was really no need to make the audience think she's going to die - Arya's plot armor is so thick even non-book readers knew she would make it out of that. That's the real problem, I think. Somehow, we knew Arya couldn't die in Braavos, and I think we also knew she could never become No One. And if we're not really worried about her, her presence in a death cult is not as interesting. I don't know, I think if they had just tweaked the bridge scene a little, the whole ending sequence would have been fine. I imagine she's in a more secluded spot, looking at the giant statue, and then she sees the old woman sneaking up in a reflection, spins to get away, and gets one stab in the kidney or something before getting away. That would have been a serious wound needing care, but the whole thing would have been more believable. I also felt there should have been more faceless men in evidence. Perhaps people shuffling around in robes, but you never see their faces. As for what actually happened. I think Arya left needle and the candle (and probably some money) hidden in that cubby hole. Her plan was to go back there to retrieve her shit before she left. I'm undecided if she had a backup plan to lead the Waif there all along or if she thought of it just before leaping out the window. Either way, that was brilliant. That was Arya-esque.
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Post by Admin on Jun 14, 2016 17:07:41 GMT
The guy on the left and the guy in the back
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 17:11:52 GMT
Screentime so far (601 - 608) 1. Jon and Sansa - 1:19:16 2. King's Landing - 1:03:52 3. The Riverlands - 48:31 4. Braavos - 43:01 5. Meereen - 37:53 6. Bran and Flashbacks - 34:32 7. Dothraki Sea - 34:22 8. Ironborn - 21:30 9. The Reach - 17:45 10. The Boltons - 16:14 11. The Vale - 3:37 12. Shit with Palm Trees - 3:24
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Post by Belle on Jun 14, 2016 17:21:10 GMT
Screentime so far (601 - 608) 1. Jon and Sansa - 1:19:16 2. King's Landing - 1:03:52 3. The Riverlands - 48:31 4. Braavos - 43:01 5. Meereen - 37:53 6. Bran and Flashbacks - 34:32 7. Dothraki Sea - 34:22 8. Ironborn - 21:30 9. The Reach - 17:45 10. The Boltons - 16:14 11. The Vale - 3:37 12. Shit with Palm Trees - 3:24 50 minutes of the king's landing screentime is probably HS monologues.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 17:24:10 GMT
Screentime so far (601 - 608) 1. Jon and Sansa - 1:19:16 2. King's Landing - 1:03:52 3. The Riverlands - 48:31 4. Braavos - 43:01 5. Meereen - 37:53 6. Bran and Flashbacks - 34:32 7. Dothraki Sea - 34:22 8. Ironborn - 21:30 9. The Reach - 17:45 10. The Boltons - 16:14 11. The Vale - 3:37 12. Shit with Palm Trees - 3:24 50 minutes of the king's landing screentime is probably HS monologues. Yeah I think some of that screentime could have been used for Cersei plotting or in other storylines.
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