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Post by Basil on Jun 6, 2016 8:51:14 GMT
The crossroads inn got turned turned into an orphanage under Lady Stoneheart though *shrug* I've always held the minority opinion that LS is a much better leader of the BWB than Beric. She at least gets shit done. That was my original point. I do think the BwB still takes care of the smallfolk, just to a much lesser extent than before LSH took over. I think even Stoneheart herself cares to some degree, I don't believe she's a complete monster like a lot of people seem to think, there is still humanity in her. That's why I didn't like this scene in this episode, if it does turn out to be the original BwB who was behind the massacre, it seems such an out-of-character thing for them to do, with or without Stoneheart.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 6, 2016 9:01:19 GMT
The crossroads inn got turned turned into an orphanage under Lady Stoneheart though *shrug* I've always held the minority opinion that LS is a much better leader of the BWB than Beric. She at least gets shit done. That was my original point. I do think the BwB still takes care of the smallfolk, just to a much lesser extent than before LSH took over. I think even Stoneheart herself cares to some degree, I don't believe she's a complete monster like a lot of people seem to think, there is still humanity in her. That's why I didn't like this scene in this episode, if it does turn out to be the original BwB who was behind the massacre, it seems such an out-of-character thing for them to do, with or without Stoneheart. It's in the style of the show to make a faction seem evil before they reveal the method behind the madness. There were several scenes that made the Hound seem like an evil lunatic, but it takes time to reveal the complexity behind certain situations. I wouldn't fret, my friend. The fact that the BwB is even back in the story points towards LSH, GET HYPE!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 9:22:01 GMT
Is it bad that I really liked how my two favorite characters were ripped the fuck apart by Lyanna Mormont and Robett Glover?
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 6, 2016 9:24:52 GMT
Is it bad that I really liked how my two favorite characters were ripped the fuck apart by Lyanna Mormont and Robett Glover? I don't blame you, I've always enjoyed seeing Starks getting their asses kicked
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 9:26:13 GMT
Is it bad that I really liked how my two favorite characters were ripped the fuck apart by Lyanna Mormont and Robett Glover? Nope. It's a good thing. I love my favourites getting torn apart. Varys getting shit on by Kinvara was beautiful. He needed that. And Jaime getting shit on by the Blackfish too. They wouldn't grow otherwise. And they need to.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 6, 2016 9:28:11 GMT
The crossroads inn got turned turned into an orphanage under Lady Stoneheart though *shrug* I've always held the minority opinion that LS is a much better leader of the BWB than Beric. She at least gets shit done. Yep. It's also a sign she is looking for Arya. And the hanged corpses Brienne passes are those who sacked the Saltpans, so the BwB under Stoneheart are still helping the commoners, they just have another purpose in addition to that
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 9:31:00 GMT
Is it bad that I really liked how my two favorite characters were ripped the fuck apart by Lyanna Mormont and Robett Glover? I don't blame you, I've always enjoyed seeing Starks getting their asses kicked No shit. Your last name is essentially Bolton. It's a good thing they have Davos though, who really hasn't gotten the credit he deserves from them yet. I'm sure they'll thank him later.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 6, 2016 9:31:32 GMT
Yeah same here... still processing all of that. The episode was way too short and felt rushed in some places - particularly Sandor's return and McShane. They had a beautiful setup but they rushed it. I didn't like how that went down. But otherwise I don't have major complaints other than the entire episode was a lot of teasing and setup with no real results. We should have expected this going into the latter half... they have to set up for the big battles to come. Oh and WTF - Major shocker on Arya getting herself stabbed by fucking Waif wearing an old lady face. That pissed me off... goddammit don't leave us hanging on that!! Sandor/McShane was the most developed element of the episode. I don't see how it was rushed. They got the exposition out of the way quickly, Sandor's battered body was found by Septon Ray(?) and he underestimated Sandor's will to live. He thought he would have died five times over, but no. Sandor has a purpose in life, the gods aren't done with him, just like Beric Dondarrion told him, but from a different perspective. Sandor is still bitter and craving independence, but he's not evil. Ray's easy going nature senses absolutely no malice from Sandor and feels comfortable around him, and even sees the good nature lurking underneath. I thought the relationship between the two was impressively complex in such a brief amount of time, thanks to two great actors. Ray explained that spirituality isn't always about strict dogma, but about how a person knows right versus wrong. He was one of the first people to ever accept Sandor as a person, and not a tool or evil legend. He reached out to Sandor as a human being more in 30 minutes than any other character in 4 seasons of television. And that's exactly what Sandor needed, somebody to recognize his humanity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 9:56:16 GMT
Jaime and Bronn shitting on those two Frey bros was glorious btw. I can't overstate that enough. What a pair of weenies Lothar and Black Walder are. They make Harald Karstark look like Schwarzenegger.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 10:03:58 GMT
Very good episode, though it felt rather short. I knew the Hound reveal was coming this episode, but I expected it to close the episode, not open it like that. First I was confused - where is the theme song? Then I saw Sandor and the HYPE took over me. CLEGANEBOWL is coming, no doubt.
Arya wandering around Braavos off-guard was really weird - was she not expecting the waif to attack? And it was so obvious that the old lady was waif, how come Arya didn't realize it? "I'm being hunted down by magical face swap assassins, surely this random old lady who wants to befriend me is not an assassin?" I expected Arya to wake up after she got stabbed - she's nervous of the reckoning that's coming for her.
Lyanna Mormont is really awesome, and so is Robett Glover. I liked how he pretty much said "I loved the Ned, but your brother was a stupid boy who got himself killed". Couldn't have said it better myself.
And did I mention that CLEGANEBOWL is FUCKING CONFIRMED now???
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Post by breakfest on Jun 6, 2016 11:28:15 GMT
Jaime and Bronn shitting on those two Frey bros was glorious btw. I can't overstate that enough. What a pair of weenies Lothar and Black Walder are. They make Harald Karstark look like Schwarzenegger. Someone on Reddit called them the McPoyles of Westeros and I can't speak enough for how accurate that is. The McFreyles.
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Post by Zadeth on Jun 6, 2016 11:37:11 GMT
Still waiting for Cersei to become interesting again. Any day now... This will be her in a few episodes. She really is an amazing young lady ... she pulled off that mortal wound very convincingly... I was on the verge of tears no one was stopping to help her! Braavos is some cold cold people! I felt like that whole thing was a dream sequence for some reason. It felt real but not really real. Does that make any sense?! I am continually amazed they keep sneaking in shocker scenes like this that even the spoiler sources didn't know about! I'm wondering if it actually was Arya who got stabbed. Are we going to get some M Night Shyamalan 'she's been dead the whole time' twist? So is Mel is just gone? Maybe she's off to see Dany with everyone else. /s I guess she was with them somewhere but it was a little weird. Oh well. I think Jon, Sansa and Davos purposefully left her behind when treating with the northern Lords. They are already going to be pissed with Jon having an army of wildlings, having a priestess of R'hllor, and seeming like you have forsaken the old gods, would only further add insult to injury. That doesn't explain her not being shown at the camp, however. I'm glad I picked a Mormont sigil if this is where I get to live. Bear Island is absolutely stunning. I am glad we are getting to see more of Westeros. I just really hope to see Highgarden, it will be magnificent if Horn Hill is anything to go by. I don't know where to start, except I've been hyping for Sandor's return for two years now. I knew he'd return, somehow, deep in my heart, I knew. I mean, the foreshadowing in the books helped, but... I thought I'd be lucky to get a brief scene of Sandor returning, I feared he wouldn't get any dialogue and would just play as a plot twist. I can't tell you how astonished I was to see my favorite character return and get a cold open just before the climax of season 6. I was overwhelmed. I can't remember the last time I felt tears of joy, but I was so amazingly surprised with Sandor's reveal tonight. I had a lump in my throat and could barely focus on the other plot lines. They made sure Sandor's return wasn't a plot point, but allowed him to grow as a character and proffer the line of temptation versus redemption. I'm still amazed at how much time he got in tonight's episode. And I'm very excited to see where it goes from here, and I can't help but feel trepidation at his forward arc, but that's what this story is all about, isn't it?Well said. As for the BIB, he's going to avenge the smallfolk and Septon who followed the Seven... you know what follows this. Depending on whether or not the assumption made my spoiler guy is gonna become real or fake next episode, The Hound is gonna have the honor of (most likely) confirming LSH or slaying the hype. I was thinking this during the episode. It will be very interesting. If LSH shows up, I wonder if he will be hanged or tasked with finding Jaime/Brienne (I doubt the latter though). If he kills Thoros, I can really only see him being hanged; possibly taking Merrett's place? I'm not convinced on that though, just a thought. I'll be really pissed if his story is oh-no-he's-dead/jk/oh-shit-he-actually-is; seems shitty storytelling to me. Jaime and Bronn shitting on those two Frey bros was glorious btw. I can't overstate that enough. What a pair of weenies Lothar and Black Walder are. They make Harald Karstark look like Schwarzenegger. I loved Jaime backhanding one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 11:37:49 GMT
Yeah same here... still processing all of that. The episode was way too short and felt rushed in some places - particularly Sandor's return and McShane. They had a beautiful setup but they rushed it. I didn't like how that went down. But otherwise I don't have major complaints other than the entire episode was a lot of teasing and setup with no real results. We should have expected this going into the latter half... they have to set up for the big battles to come. Oh and WTF - Major shocker on Arya getting herself stabbed by fucking Waif wearing an old lady face. That pissed me off... goddammit don't leave us hanging on that!! Sandor/McShane was the most developed element of the episode. I don't see how it was rushed. They got the exposition out of the way quickly, Sandor's battered body was found by Septon Ray(?) and he underestimated Sandor's will to live. He thought he would have died five times over, but no. Sandor has a purpose in life, the gods aren't done with him, just like Beric Dondarrion told him, but from a different perspective. Sandor is still bitter and craving independence, but he's not evil. Ray's easy going nature senses absolutely no malice from Sandor and feels comfortable around him, and even sees the good nature lurking underneath. I thought the relationship between the two was impressively complex in such a brief amount of time, thanks to two great actors. Ray explained that spirituality isn't always about strict dogma, but about how a person knows right versus wrong. He was one of the first people to ever accept Sandor as a person, and not a tool or evil legend. He reached out to Sandor as a human being more in 30 minutes than any other character in 4 seasons of television. And that's exactly what Sandor needed, somebody to recognize his humanity.
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Post by Admin on Jun 6, 2016 11:42:32 GMT
10 bucks they don't explain it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 11:45:03 GMT
I love the shit out of this episode. As you guys said, it was an intimate episode with lots of great dialogue. I can't even say what my favourite scene was. The cold open was fantastic. The slight variation of the theme song during the building scene, the entire setting, the close up of the smallfolk working, everything. Lyanna Mormont is THE BOSS. I'm glad they keep her around (but also worried).
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Post by Admin on Jun 6, 2016 11:45:13 GMT
Depending on whether or not the assumption made my spoiler guy is gonna become real or fake next episode, The Hound is gonna have the honor of (most likely) confirming LSH or slaying the hype. I was thinking this during the episode. It will be very interesting. If LSH shows up, I wonder if he will be hanged or tasked with finding Jaime/Brienne (I doubt the latter though). , I can really only see him being hanged; possibly taking Merrett's place? I'm not convinced on that though, just a thought. I'll be really pissed if his story is oh-no-he's-dead/jk/oh-shit-he-actually-is; seems shitty storytelling to me. Oh he's not running into her. I just meant if he kills Thoros the train derails. It's unthinkable for me they brought Thoros in just to get killed and she is still in.
Hound's entire arc this year is what we saw in this episode and his fight next episode. He may run into someone in finale, but I doubt it.
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Post by Zadeth on Jun 6, 2016 11:45:26 GMT
10 bucks they don't explain it. She's really a long lost Sand Snake, since all they do is without rationale.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 11:46:32 GMT
I think it was Arya. She was slashed once and stabbed twice. You have to stab someone in the guts several times to tear up their innards enough to kill them. And the Waif was taking her time instead of doing the job properly (and ignoring Jaqen's orders in doing so). It's entirely plausible that none of her vitals were damaged and the Waif missed them. In comparison Jon was stabbed like a dozen times and then was still alive to get it in the heart, which was what killed him. Otherwise he would've just bled out. Of course nowadays a lot can be done to sew up and shorten intestines. In GoT's medieval setting being stabbed that as many times as Jon was would mean you're fucked. But that's not the case with Arya. I know it's just a fantasy story and all but being stabbed in the guts is one of the worst things that can happen to you because if you pierce the stomach or intestines (which takes up a large part of that area) then your digestive juices and shit (literally) can leak into the rest of your body and you die of septic shock. There's no way to fix that especially in those medieval conditions. We can only save people in modern times with it because of hardcore antibiotics. Dying of sepsis is a slow and terrible way to go. If she can get the bleeding to stop (or someone helps) she could still die of the infection. But anyways, I still say the whole thing was weird and something's up. Someone is going to save Arya or that wasn't actually Arya. Plot armor! I'm with you guys, the whole thing seemed like a dream sequence not just because of what happened but also the way it was filmed. It was kind of jarring going from the previous segment to Arya's because it seemed to be filled hyper-realistically. There is definitely something off, I just can't tell what it is.
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Post by Zadeth on Jun 6, 2016 11:46:34 GMT
Oh he's not running into her. I just meant if he kills Thoros the train derails. It's unthinkable for me they brought Thoros in just to get killed and she is still in.
Hound's entire arc this year is what we saw in this episode and his fight next episode. He may run into someone in finale, but I doubt it. Ahh! I was thinking about him actually bumping into LSH. He'll need to rest for a while before Cleganebowl anyhow.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 6, 2016 11:49:19 GMT
10 bucks they don't explain it. I've said this before, there's no catalyst. It's a plot device. The Waif hates Arya because of jealousy, there's no plot or scheme. She senses Arya's highborn nature, and feels jealous that she's the new gifted player in town. It's not complicated. Just human nature. It's not about what makes the Waif jealous, but that the Waif is jealous that moves the plot forward. It's just totally natural when it comes to people.
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