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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:14:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:16:53 GMT
Wait, did I miss something? Where was this confirmed? Gah, sorry then, if so - I wrote a big long post with all this doubt because I didn't think we'd had any role confirmation for McShane? There was a WOTW article where they confirmed that McShane had a scene with the outlaws. But Sue said he was not a member of them.
As for the earlier bit about us not knowing who McShane is playing, HBO's basically only confirmed the casting info that's leaked. And since his part isn't a multi-episode one there's only so much info that can leak and thus his role hasn't yet. But the Priest was the second name on the first casting call after Euron, so it's meant to be a big deal part. And I'd stake a lot on Mcshane being the Priest.
You may be right, but jaime is only in the riverlands for 4 episodes. i'd say most of that will be spent at riverrun or travelling. i'm wondering when there will be time for Brienne. Especially if there is a RW 2.0 thing that needs to occur, thats likely an end of season event. I think its more likely the outlaws are set up separately through the 'rural priest'. in which somehow sandor and brienne encounter and perhaps plan the RW 2.0 with the BWB. It just seems left-field without LSH. I mean sure there were plenty of other people killed at the RW. For example I would've preferred they used manderly for this since they skipped his awesome frey pie plan last season. I think the Blackfish is the most likely candidate for the person who'd want to plan it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:17:03 GMT
Yeh but the outlaw castings say nothing about whether they are part of the BWB. They may be outlaws septon meribald comes across. either way i think you're assuming things quite a bit. Which is fine because this is speculation. But what i don't think you understand is that i'm trying to speculate based on previous seasons and the little info we know for sure this season. Basically we don't know much for this season. And it is of my opinion in our current knowledge that brienne doesn't have a basis for going south yet adn no basis for a betrayal as an excuse to reunite with jaime. Wow, you guys are all so much for knowledgeable on the Riverlands stuff than I am. I feel the need to go back to the book and brush up as I'm clearly missing a lot of things that are now all confused in the adaptation to the show! But I'm quoting you igrewupinkl because what you said was my first question in trying to unravel this knot ... was there any mention of the BWB in that rebel/outlaws casting call? I don't recall that there was and so we can't just assume it's them, right? I still think it's really odd we've had no indication at all what role McShane is playing. He's such a high profile actor you'd think we'd have found out something by now! I know by method of deduction there's only a couple of roles left that he could be playing unless it's again, something we've had no casting call for thus far and they are keeping it under wraps to throw us off the trail. If we knew who he was playing we probably could piece together what's going to go down there in the Riverlands most likely unless he ends up being Marwyn or something. But as for Jaime and Brienne, I think it's assumed they're going to meet up again but we don't have a lot to go on. Personally I think without LSH she has less reason to go there unless sent by Sansa to look for Arya again since that's the last place she was seen. i need to go re-read as well but i'm trying to only grab things we only know from show canon. and as you said very well we don't know much. I think the only reason to keep his casting call under wraps is probably because he either has a big impact on the show or is taking over a well known role that is going to be controversial. i.e LSH i agree about what brienne's next priority will be. but like the books, she is likely to get caught up in something. maybe she will 'go around' moat cailin again
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:18:02 GMT
Ah, ok - I'd forgotten that last post in there on that article ... but it still doesn't say what his role is exactly does it... nor does anything say it's the BWB. I mean, it seems logical it would be since they're the only 'outlaw' type band we've seen in the past on the show, but what if it's some different group? Have any of the original BWB actors made a peep about returning for s6? Such a weird mystery that one... the whole thing was just dropped. But then again, so were Greyjoys, Tully/Riverrun and both are returning this season so hopefully we're going to get some actor info about all those characters returning.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:19:05 GMT
i agree about what brienne's next priority will be. but like the books, she is likely to get caught up in something. maybe she will 'go around' moat cailin again I'm pretty sure that meant travelling to the coast and sailing upwards. It just wasn't shown because there was no reason to show that. Just a counter-nitpick on my part about that particular criticism. She was not proposing they march through the swamp.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:20:53 GMT
Ah, ok - I'd forgotten that last post in there on that article ... but it still doesn't say what his role is exactly does it... nor does anything say it's the BWB. I mean, it seems logical it would be since they're the only 'outlaw' type band we've seen in the past on the show, but what if it's some different group? Have any of the original BWB actors made a peep about returning for s6? Such a weird mystery that one... the whole thing was just dropped. But then again, so were Greyjoys, Tully/Riverrun and both are returning this season so hopefully we're going to get some actor info about all those characters returning. There hasn't been confirmation that the Blackfish, Edmure, Roslin, Thoros, Beric, or Anguy are returning but since Sandor is coming back, Jaime is going to the Riverlands, Riverrun will appear along with Walder Frey and The Hapless son, we can say that there's a good chance we will see them. I think this outlaw band is different since they have a leader called Lachlan, but that doesn't rule out the BwB appearing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:23:16 GMT
i agree about what brienne's next priority will be. but like the books, she is likely to get caught up in something. maybe she will 'go around' moat cailin again I'm pretty sure that meant travelling to the coast and sailing upwards. It just wasn't shown because there was no reason to show that. Just a counter-nitpick on my part about that particular criticism. She was not proposing they march through the swamp. wasn't she wanted, i doubt she'd go to any port
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:24:16 GMT
There was a WOTW article where they confirmed that McShane had a scene with the outlaws. But Sue said he was not a member of them. As for the earlier bit about us not knowing who McShane is playing, HBO's basically only confirmed the casting info that's leaked. And since his part isn't a multi-episode one there's only so much info that can leak and thus his role hasn't yet. But the Priest was the second name on the first casting call after Euron, so it's meant to be a big deal part. And I'd stake a lot on Mcshane being the Priest. Well logical method of deduction since we already know most of the other parts now cast would definitely say he's playing Maribald, right? I'm trying to remember all that stuff now, it's too fuzzy. Does Maribald have contact with BWB? That's it, I'm digging out my book tomorrow and getting my shit straight on this because now I feel like I just missed way too much there in those chapters especially once Brienne and Jaime did finally meet up. Jaime's mediation to end the siege at Riverrun, etc... all gone from the show so wtf will we be getting in s6? New stuff or all these missing bits? I am confused.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:28:06 GMT
Ah, ok - I'd forgotten that last post in there on that article ... but it still doesn't say what his role is exactly does it... nor does anything say it's the BWB. I mean, it seems logical it would be since they're the only 'outlaw' type band we've seen in the past on the show, but what if it's some different group? Have any of the original BWB actors made a peep about returning for s6? Such a weird mystery that one... the whole thing was just dropped. But then again, so were Greyjoys, Tully/Riverrun and both are returning this season so hopefully we're going to get some actor info about all those characters returning. There hasn't been confirmation that the Blackfish, Edmure, Roslin, Thoros, Beric, or Anguy are returning but since Sandor is coming back, Jaime is going to the Riverlands, Riverrun will appear along with Walder Frey and The Hapless son, we can say that there's a good chance we will see them. I think this outlaw band is different since they have a leader called Lachlan, but that doesn't rule out the BwB appearing. That's a whole heap of actors you would think we'd have heard about returning by now, don't you think? I'm worried. Worried they're going to retcon the whole thing into something different and just leave out all those guys. I mean, this season has to have beaten some record for the most new cast members ... and yet we hear nothing of all these old cast members who just sorta vanished off the map after Season 4. Am I just over-thinking this? Wouldn't some of them have talked about coming back on twitter, or interviews or anything by now?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:28:22 GMT
The Hapless Frey is shooting the week of October 12 and 19 so if Nikolaj is spotted in NI, then yes. But we don't know yet when Nikolaj will be there, so that's a no. Well, he already filmed in NI with him. Which fits with him being in the Riverlands at the end of the season and the Lannister tents outside of Riverrun and the Frey being in three episodes and all the rest. So really I'd be surprised if NCW isn't in NI on those October dates. @alcasinoroyale or archiechvyalthan would be more helpful in this regard. But IIRC the part shot a bit in August (when David Bradley was in NI) and will shoot again either this month or in November. I'm pretty sure NCW was in August at that time too, though again, there are people who remember this better than I do.
Nikolaj was in NI during the same week as David Bradley, which was August 10 and The Hapless Frey was listed for that week as well so they should have shot scenes together. As for October 12 and 19, I think that's when they'll be filming at the Riverrun set since they'll be done with Snowbowl. That all fits. Sapochnik will have time for it all then too... I'm pretty sure that meant travelling to the coast and sailing upwards. It just wasn't shown because there was no reason to show that. Just a counter-nitpick on my part about that particular criticism. She was not proposing they march through the swamp. wasn't she wanted, i doubt she'd go to any port Wanted by whom? Not in the Riverlands anyways or in the North.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:31:57 GMT
There hasn't been confirmation that the Blackfish, Edmure, Roslin, Thoros, Beric, or Anguy are returning but since Sandor is coming back, Jaime is going to the Riverlands, Riverrun will appear along with Walder Frey and The Hapless son, we can say that there's a good chance we will see them. I think this outlaw band is different since they have a leader called Lachlan, but that doesn't rule out the BwB appearing.I think it's more a fragment of the BWB then the whole of the group, but I'm pretty damn sure it's them. The Riverlands setting and them being religious and once protectors of the common people fit for sure. So I think it'll be a particular band or sub-group of the BWB that when they come across Brienne at McShane's sept they report that she's there back to the main faction of the Brotherhood.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Oct 4, 2015 6:32:50 GMT
There was a WOTW article where they confirmed that McShane had a scene with the outlaws. But Sue said he was not a member of them. As for the earlier bit about us not knowing who McShane is playing, HBO's basically only confirmed the casting info that's leaked. And since his part isn't a multi-episode one there's only so much info that can leak and thus his role hasn't yet. But the Priest was the second name on the first casting call after Euron, so it's meant to be a big deal part. And I'd stake a lot on Mcshane being the Priest. Well logical method of deduction since we already know most of the other parts now cast would definitely say he's playing Maribald, right? I'm trying to remember all that stuff now, it's too fuzzy. Does Maribald have contact with BWB? That's it, I'm digging out my book tomorrow and getting my shit straight on this because now I feel like I just missed way too much there in those chapters especially once Brienne and Jaime did finally meet up. Jaime's mediation to end the siege at Riverrun, etc... all gone from the show so wtf will we be getting in s6? New stuff or all these missing bits? I am confused. No, but he has the great broken men speech, which is prompted by explaining the distinction between general outlaws and broken men. So a meeting with outlaws would be a way to get that speech in. I think the siege of Riverrun is definitely out, everything else is up in the air.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:34:10 GMT
That's a whole heap of actors you would think we'd have heard about returning by now, don't you think? I'm worried. Worried they're going to retcon the whole thing into something different and just leave out all those guys. I mean, this season has to have beaten some record for the most new cast members ... and yet we hear nothing of all these old cast members who just sorta vanished off the map after Season 4. Am I just over-thinking this? Wouldn't some of them have talked about coming back on twitter, or interviews or anything by now?If they're trying to keep the secrecy level up for the Riverlands storyline then it would make sense for them to not say much at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:34:53 GMT
That's a whole heap of actors you would think we'd have heard about returning by now, don't you think? I'm worried. Worried they're going to retcon the whole thing into something different and just leave out all those guys. I mean, this season has to have beaten some record for the most new cast members ... and yet we hear nothing of all these old cast members who just sorta vanished off the map after Season 4. Am I just over-thinking this? Wouldn't some of them have talked about coming back on twitter, or interviews or anything by now?If they're trying to keep the secrecy level up for the Riverlands storyline then it would make sense for them to not say much at all. Also I don't think many of them would be appearing too often in the season anyways. It's possible their appearances could be contained entirely in the October and November portions of the RL shoot if they didn't shoot at all in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:36:26 GMT
Also I don't think many of them would be appearing too often in the season anyways. It's possible their appearances could be contained entirely in the October and November portions of the RL shoot. Yeah we'll have to see which actors show up in NI at the end of next week.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Oct 4, 2015 6:40:10 GMT
That's a whole heap of actors you would think we'd have heard about returning by now, don't you think? I'm worried. Worried they're going to retcon the whole thing into something different and just leave out all those guys. I mean, this season has to have beaten some record for the most new cast members ... and yet we hear nothing of all these old cast members who just sorta vanished off the map after Season 4. Am I just over-thinking this? Wouldn't some of them have talked about coming back on twitter, or interviews or anything by now?If they're trying to keep the secrecy level up for the Riverlands storyline then it would make sense for them to not say much at all. IMO there's only one reason to do that, and she's not likely to appear. I am kinda worried about the Blackfish and Edmure, but that's really just because I think the show's shafted House Tully so far. It seems like their fates were left, ahem, hanging for a reason in 310, especially with it stated the Blackfish escaped safely.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:41:28 GMT
Also I don't think many of them would be appearing too often in the season anyways. It's possible their appearances could be contained entirely in the October and November portions of the RL shoot. Yeah we'll have to see which actors show up in NI at the end of next week. Ok Well y'all have given convincing arguments as to why it looks good for them coming back and McShane's involvement. It's definitely my weakest area story-wise because not only is it somewhat foggy in my memory from the book but it feels like eons ago we had all those plots in s4 to try and compare with now. Glad you guys still have it straight! I'll be curious to see how they decide to turn Brienne back around for the Riverlands. Especially since she's carrying a valyrian steel sword. If Jon finds out, he'll want her to help fight the White Walkers. I keep wondering if that's even going to be a big part of his motivation in talking to the Lords of the Houses... someone's got to figure out who has these swords. Brienne's the most obvious candidate already up there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:45:36 GMT
@konradsmith Brienne was wanted by the Vale knights on LF's orders.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:45:32 GMT
Ok Well y'all have given convincing arguments as to why it looks good for them coming back and McShane's involvement. It's definitely my weakest area story-wise because not only is it somewhat foggy in my memory from the book but it feels like eons ago we had all those plots in s4 to try and compare with now. Glad you guys still have it straight! I'll be curious to see how they decide to turn Brienne back around for the Riverlands. Especially since she's carrying a valyrian steel sword. If Jon finds out, he'll want her to help fight the White Walkers. I keep wondering if that's even going to be a big part of his motivation in talking to the Lords of the Houses... someone's got to figure out who has these swords. Brienne's the most obvious candidate already up there. Sansa tells Brienne to take Theon back to the Iron Islands and The Riverlands are right next to them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 6:47:21 GMT
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