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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 19:52:45 GMT
Although this is a counter-argument to my own opinion that I don't think LF actually intends to rally the Vale, I have to say it's the strongest argument I've heard so far as to what will likely happen.
So you see, Littlefinger was bluffing / bullshitting to Cersei to rile her up which is exactly what I thought in that scene as well. He lied to Cersei about how Sansa got there when he himself planted that little gem on purpose. If there's any doubt in anyone's mind now that Littlefinger doesn't actually care about Sansa other than a pawn in his game, let this explanation put that to rest. Sansa cannot possibly go back to Littlefinger at this point - that would be the stupidest idea ever. She knew she couldn't trust him before and now she really knows after leaving her with a monster like Ramsay and even if LF had no clue just how awful Ramsay was, it's still painfully obvious it was a complete political setup.
Now Cersei, in her blind rage, authorizes LF to move against the Boltons which is stupid as the OP stated - they are probably one of the few remaining houses willing to serve the crown and she's going to fuck that up too now. All that so she can get her hands on Sansa, who isn't even a player in what she's so pissed about - it's the man she just made a deal with! Oh Littlefinger you are such a clever monkey!
Now whether or not LF actually DOES call the Vale and put this devious plan in motion remains to be seen. Since Stannis failed, we have to wait and see what the other Northern Lords do. Maybe the Vale is actually more instrumental in reuniting the North than I suspect.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 19:58:09 GMT
You're right, that doesn't look like a crow, but it is a strange scene still. Why does the camera focus on that damn bird?
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 25, 2015 19:58:08 GMT
I just checked Sansa-Ramsay wedding and didn't see a bird/crow, but no reason why Bran wouldn't see through the Weirwood anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 20:03:45 GMT
Why would Bran and bloodraven even care about whatever happens in Meereen?
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 25, 2015 20:45:25 GMT
Why would Bran and bloodraven even care about whatever happens in Meereen? You won't walk again, but you will fly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 20:46:17 GMT
Why would Bran and bloodraven even care about whatever happens in Meereen? You won't walk again, but you will fly.I am really not a fan of Bran warging dragons...
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 25, 2015 21:02:50 GMT
You won't walk again, but you will fly. I am really not a fan of Bran warging dragons... I am really not a fan of Bran even existing...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 21:04:35 GMT
You won't walk again, but you will fly. I am really not a fan of Bran warging dragons... Bran warging a dragon is better than Tyrion flying one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 21:05:53 GMT
I am really not a fan of Bran warging dragons... I am really not a fan of Bran even existing... I actually quite like his storyline in ACoK (northern politics, Ramsay, Theon) and in ADwD (wights, Bloodraven, Coldhands). But as a character I don't really like him much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 21:06:11 GMT
I am really not a fan of Bran warging dragons... Bran warging a dragon is better than Tyrion flying one. True.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 21:06:48 GMT
I am really not a fan of Bran even existing... I actually quite like his storyline in ACoK (northern politics, Ramsay, Theon) and in ADwD (wights, Bloodraven, Coldhands). But as a character I don't really like him much. He is something of a cypher character-wise at this point but I don't have anything against all of that mystical stuff myself, so I won't mind him coming back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 20:05:59 GMT
Do you guys think that they'll recast Greatjon? The audience have not seen him for years, but surely a big Northern lord just can't disappear without an explanation. If they don't recast him (I'm hoping they won't) they could explain what happened to the Greatjon. The Umber could explain that the Greatjon died in battle a few days after the Red Wedding. This would make the Umber revenge plot more personal for them.
I'm slowly beginning to realize that Wyman won't be in..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 20:33:50 GMT
Do you guys think that they'll recast Greatjon? The audience have not seen him for years, but surely a big Northern lord just can't disappear without an explanation. If they don't recast him (I'm hoping they won't) they could explain what happened to the Greatjon. The Umber could explain that the Greatjon died in battle a few days after the Red Wedding. This would make the Umber revenge plot more personal for them. I'm slowly beginning to realize that Wyman won't be in.. In the books, the last we heard of the Umbers, they begrudgingly swore fealty to the Boltons but even Roose suspects that loyalty is false, right? Greatjon is still a captive of the Freys from the Red Wedding ... and we've had absolutely zero resolution on ANY of that since it happened including wtf happened to Edmure Tully and his Frey wife. It's one of those irritating bits of dropped plot that I really feel like they dropped the ball on. Sure they can bring it all up in Season 6 but it will feel disjointed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 20:48:02 GMT
Can't wait to see how D&D will make Sansa into a victim again. Hate to go this far back but... married to the nights king? I called it. If this happens, yknow... I called it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 20:52:36 GMT
Do you guys think that they'll recast Greatjon? The audience have not seen him for years, but surely a big Northern lord just can't disappear without an explanation. If they don't recast him (I'm hoping they won't) they could explain what happened to the Greatjon. The Umber could explain that the Greatjon died in battle a few days after the Red Wedding. This would make the Umber revenge plot more personal for them. I'm slowly beginning to realize that Wyman won't be in.. In the books, the last we heard of the Umbers, they begrudgingly swore fealty to the Boltons but even Roose suspects that loyalty is false, right? Greatjon is still a captive of the Freys from the Red Wedding ... and we've had absolutely zero resolution on ANY of that since it happened including wtf happened to Edmure Tully and his Frey wife. It's one of those irritating bits of dropped plot that I really feel like they dropped the ball on. Sure they can bring it all up in Season 6 but it will feel disjointed. The Umbers have split in half in the books. Mors joined Stannis, he leads the young boys and Hother joined the Boltons and he leads the old men. This is clearly an agreement made by Mors and Hother. Roose suspects Hother's loyalty, that is correct. We know what happened to Greatjon in the books, he's captive, but in the show he's MIA and this annoys me more than it should. The lack of any resolution to the Riverlands and Northern lords frustrates me. Hope to see them getting finally dealt with this season. Can't wait to see how D&D will make Sansa into a victim again. Hate to go this far back but... married to the nights king? I called it. If this happens, yknow... I called it. Noted.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 20:58:23 GMT
Do you guys think that they'll recast Greatjon? The audience have not seen him for years, but surely a big Northern lord just can't disappear without an explanation. If they don't recast him (I'm hoping they won't) they could explain what happened to the Greatjon. The Umber could explain that the Greatjon died in battle a few days after the Red Wedding. This would make the Umber revenge plot more personal for them. I'm slowly beginning to realize that Wyman won't be in.. In the books, the last we heard of the Umbers, they begrudgingly swore fealty to the Boltons but even Roose suspects that loyalty is false, right? Greatjon is still a captive of the Freys from the Red Wedding ... and we've had absolutely zero resolution on ANY of that since it happened including wtf happened to Edmure Tully and his Frey wife. It's one of those irritating bits of dropped plot that I really feel like they dropped the ball on. Sure they can bring it all up in Season 6 but it will feel disjointed. They can fit him back in without it been too out of place. They have confirmed that Greatjon wasnt at the RW in the show and is still alive and loose out there. Theres been little mention of Robbs remnants forces in the Riverlands who are surely drifting back home. In the books the remnants of Roderick Cassels siege force was hiding in the wolfswood, it wouldnt be a massive stretch for them to pop up in a similar manner. I dont think most fans will disect the story too much if they said that Blackfish regrouped with Greatjon and warned him about the freys and boltons and theyve been in hiding or resisting the Lannisters... something like that. Hell if they said they joined with Beric and Thoros thats even better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 21:03:54 GMT
In the books, the last we heard of the Umbers, they begrudgingly swore fealty to the Boltons but even Roose suspects that loyalty is false, right? Greatjon is still a captive of the Freys from the Red Wedding ... and we've had absolutely zero resolution on ANY of that since it happened including wtf happened to Edmure Tully and his Frey wife. It's one of those irritating bits of dropped plot that I really feel like they dropped the ball on. Sure they can bring it all up in Season 6 but it will feel disjointed. They can fit him back in without it been too out of place. They have confirmed that Greatjon wasnt at the RW in the show and is still alive and loose out there. Theres been little mention of Robbs remnants forces in the Riverlands who are surely drifting back home. In the books the remnants of Roderick Cassels siege force was hiding in the wolfswood, it wouldnt be a massive stretch for them to pop up in a similar manner. I dont think most fans will disect the story too much if they said that Blackfish regrouped with Greatjon and warned him about the freys and boltons and theyve been in hiding or resisting the Lannisters... something like that. Hell if they said they joined with Beric and Thoros thats even better. Yes, good points all around. I am still really disappointed they didn't at least explain some of this in Season 5. Would it have taken so much effort for them to insert a little of this during that "Map Scene" between Roose and Ramsay where all we got was "Give me 20 good men!" smirky shit from Ramsay? 3 extra sentences from Roose could have at least confirmed some of those points you brought up and helped remind folks these people DO exist. When we got old lady in WF with "The North Remembers" and old guy at the Inn with Brienne, I got excited we were going to see some sort of underground North rebellion thing going on and that would include those houses secretly NOT loyal to the Boltons. Insert that juxtaposed with Roose explaining his doubts about some of the house loyalties in that map scene and boom, perfect set up for the Northern Lords return in Season 6. Again, they dropped the ball on this just eliminating it entirely from the whole season. I'm sure Greyjoy fans feel the same about that side of the map too though.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 26, 2015 21:10:45 GMT
I am really not a fan of Bran warging dragons... Bran warging a dragon is better than Tyrion flying one. Good point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 21:12:55 GMT
They can fit him back in without it been too out of place. They have confirmed that Greatjon wasnt at the RW in the show and is still alive and loose out there. Theres been little mention of Robbs remnants forces in the Riverlands who are surely drifting back home. In the books the remnants of Roderick Cassels siege force was hiding in the wolfswood, it wouldnt be a massive stretch for them to pop up in a similar manner. I dont think most fans will disect the story too much if they said that Blackfish regrouped with Greatjon and warned him about the freys and boltons and theyve been in hiding or resisting the Lannisters... something like that. Hell if they said they joined with Beric and Thoros thats even better. Yes, good points all around. I am still really disappointed they didn't at least explain some of this in Season 5. Would it have taken so much effort for them to insert a little of this during that "Map Scene" between Roose and Ramsay where all we got was "Give me 20 good men!" smirky shit from Ramsay? 3 extra sentences from Roose could have at least confirmed some of those points you brought up and helped remind folks these people DO exist. When we got old lady in WF with "The North Remembers" and old guy at the Inn with Brienne, I got excited we were going to see some sort of underground North rebellion thing going on and that would include those houses secretly NOT loyal to the Boltons. Insert that juxtaposed with Roose explaining his doubts about some of the house loyalties in that map scene and boom, perfect set up for the Northern Lords return in Season 6. Again, they dropped the ball on this just eliminating it entirely from the whole season. I'm sure Greyjoy fans feel the same about that side of the map too though. I do agree. They missed a massive opportunity in the north remembers, especially since we already know greatjon and Blackfish and once fans realise who they are they would be massively hyped for the next series. Hopefully season 6 is the season of forgotten characters, but almost every year I say this and every year I'm wrong. Fingers crossed they dont recast either Greatjon or blackfish though. The two Clives were perfect for those roles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 21:19:41 GMT
It seems likely that the Northern rebellion stuff is in s6 though, they just simplified it by having it after Stan is defeated instead of having it run parallel to his failed campaign as it is in ADWD and TWOW. I wouldn't be surprised if Sansa said "the North Remembers" to a few people or if the Umber said that to her in s6, tying it all back to the northern woman who died trying to help her.
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