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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 16:28:17 GMT
Um yes, Sansa is not in the hands of Ramsay. She is marrying Harry the Heir. And I am 100% sure she'll lose her maidenhood. Yes, it's the same. Harry the Heir is after all a psychopath and the member of the family who had Sansa's family killed. Wasn't the point that Sansa loses her virginity?
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Post by Admin on May 17, 2015 16:51:30 GMT
Yes, it's the same. Harry the Heir is after all a psychopath and the member of the family who had Sansa's family killed. Wasn't the point that Sansa loses her virginity? I see quite the difference in Sansa being coy and intriguing to Harry and them most likely ending up having consensual sex and Sansa being a victim in the hands of Ramsay and having her first sexual encounter in the form of a rape.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 17:02:28 GMT
I don't think we know enough about Harry to be able to tell whether him and Sansa will be having consensual sex. He's been in like 2 pages of the story.
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Post by Admin on May 17, 2015 17:17:00 GMT
I don't think we know enough about Harry to be able to tell whether him and Sansa will be having consensual sex. He's been in like 2 pages of the story. I'm comfortable making an assumption he is nowhere near the level of Ramsay's evil.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 17:17:54 GMT
After last night's episode of Outlander, I can't see this being any worse.
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Post by Enid on May 17, 2015 17:17:57 GMT
Yeah, being on the same level as Ramsay is almost impossible.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 18:05:22 GMT
I don't think we know enough about Harry to be able to tell whether him and Sansa will be having consensual sex. He's been in like 2 pages of the story. I'm comfortable making an assumption he is nowhere near the level of Ramsay's evil. That does seem like a safe guess. But I still think it's possible that he could turn out to be a dumb brute that doesn't care whether Sansa consents or not. Plenty of that kind in Westeros
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 20:26:11 GMT
Harry's good. Maybe a jerk, but still good.
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Post by kingeomer on May 17, 2015 20:33:50 GMT
After last night's episode of Outlander, I can't see this being any worse. True, but in Outlander's defense, it happened in the books. Sansa and Ramsey did not. Judging by GRRM's released Sansa chapter, Harry does not sound like a sadist...self centered and self involved, yes (Sansa was definitely turned off by him), but did not initially come across Joffrey or Ramsey level of "bad" and I don't think GRRM is going to have him at that level.
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Post by King Tommen on May 17, 2015 20:39:23 GMT
To be fair, in the books, GRRM had Jeyne Poole have sex with Ramsay's dogs, raped and Theon unwillingly perform oral sex on her so I don't think we get to use the excuse about the show taking liberties when that's the source material. The assumption is that Sansa's consummation scene is going to be extremely toned down in comparison to what George had Ramsay do to his bride in the books and from what we see on a show like Outlander.
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Post by Admin on May 17, 2015 20:43:35 GMT
To be fair, in the books, GRRM had Jeyne Poole have sex with Ramsay's dogs, raped and Theon unwillingly perform oral sex on her so I don't think we get to use the excuse about the show taking liberties when that's the source material. The assumption is that Sansa's consummation scene is going to be extremely toned down in comparison to what George had Ramsay do to his bride in the books and from what we see on a show like Outlander. 1. It was not Sansa being raped in the books 2. If it was permissable for the extent of book torture to be shown on HBO in this day and age, they'd show it
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Post by King Tommen on May 17, 2015 20:47:17 GMT
Why should I care if it's Sansa instead of Jeyne? Some females are more important than others? The argument is about the graphic content of the scene itself, not how precious you feel about the characters involved.
And number 2 is in no way true because on a show like Outlander (and others), they have extremely graphic rape scenes that Game of Thrones has not even come close to. So obviously, if they wanted to get really graphic, they could but they choose not to.
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Post by Admin on May 17, 2015 21:11:30 GMT
Why should I care if it's Sansa instead of Jeyne? Some females are more important than others? The argument is about the graphic content of the scene itself, not how precious you feel about the characters involved. And number 2 is in no way true because on a show like Outlander (and others), they have extremely graphic rape scenes that Game of Thrones has not even come close to. So obviously, if they wanted to get really graphic, they could but they choose not to. I don't like Sansa at all. But it's a fact that we got to know her more than Jeyne. So seeing her in this predicament is worse especially that it's not what happens to Sansa in the source material at all. Well I don't watch fucking Outlander but then again it's not HBO and having seen a lot of HBO shows, they won't get more graphic than what was shown already. Furthermore do not accuse me of thinking some females are more important or that I feel 'precious' about some characters which clouds my judgement, when it comes to Sansa you have no right in that argument at all.
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Post by King Tommen on May 17, 2015 21:39:20 GMT
I'd argue that throwing a random girl in the scene that the audience doesn't really know much about or has that much attachment to makes it far more gratuitous which the show is accused of all the time.
They are being sensitive to the fact that it's Sansa so they are not going to make the scene graphic or dwell on it for too long a period. They definitely have license to be far more graphic if they wanted to. HBO shows like Six Feet Under, Girls, Boardwalk Empire, and Oz have all had extremely graphic sex and rape scenes that Game of Thrones have never approached. So yes, they are using restraint. Clearly.
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Post by Admin on May 17, 2015 21:43:27 GMT
I'd argue that throwing a random girl in the scene that the audience doesn't really know much about or has that much attachment to makes it far more gratuitous which the show is accused of all the time. They are being sensitive to the fact that it's Sansa so they are not going to make the scene graphic or dwell on it for too long a period. They definitely have license to be far more graphic if they wanted to. HBO shows like Six Feet Under, Girls, Boardwalk Empire, and Oz have all had extremely graphic sex and rape scenes that Game of Thrones have never approached. So yes, they are using restraint. Clearly. It's not about the scene being gratuitous. It's about the scene being unnecessary and being a product of so far largely nonsensical plot that people keep defending with "surely, there's gotta be more to LF's plan".
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Post by King Tommen on May 17, 2015 21:43:28 GMT
Anyways, should be awesome to sit back and watch the reactions from people who have already made up their mind that this will be the "WORST THING EVER" no matter what the show puts up on the screen (to be clear not referencing any specific poster here, just a general observation). Outrage is always hilarious and it looks like this fanbase is primed to jump aboard the outrage train whenever there's an opportunity.
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Post by King Tommen on May 17, 2015 21:44:07 GMT
I'd argue that throwing a random girl in the scene that the audience doesn't really know much about or has that much attachment to makes it far more gratuitous which the show is accused of all the time. They are being sensitive to the fact that it's Sansa so they are not going to make the scene graphic or dwell on it for too long a period. They definitely have license to be far more graphic if they wanted to. HBO shows like Six Feet Under, Girls, Boardwalk Empire, and Oz have all had extremely graphic sex and rape scenes that Game of Thrones have never approached. So yes, they are using restraint. Clearly. It's not about the scene being gratuitous. It's about the scene being unnecessary and being a product of so far largely nonsensical plot that people keep defending with "surely, there's gotta be more to LF's plan". This is a fair enough argument but I guarantee you that when the outrage comes, it won't be about that.
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Post by Admin on May 17, 2015 21:44:30 GMT
Anyways, should be awesome to sit back and watch the reactions from people who have already made up their mind that this will be the "WORST THING EVER" no matter what the show puts up on the screen (to be clear not referencing any specific poster here, just a general observation). Outrage is always hilarious and it looks like this fanbase is primed to jump aboard the outrage train whenever there's an opportunity. Well I'm all for outrage directed at writers when they use rape as plot device, with no consequence in sight, in a maneuver that is just disgusting.
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Post by King Tommen on May 17, 2015 21:47:35 GMT
Anyways, should be awesome to sit back and watch the reactions from people who have already made up their mind that this will be the "WORST THING EVER" no matter what the show puts up on the screen (to be clear not referencing any specific poster here, just a general observation). Outrage is always hilarious and it looks like this fanbase is primed to jump aboard the outrage train whenever there's an opportunity. Well I'm all for outrage directed at writers when they use rape as plot device, with no consequence in sight, in a maneuver that is just disgusting. You don't think there will be a consequence coming? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what's going to happen (eventually). I appreciate you feel it's disgusting, I just don't agree. Shitty things happen to people in this story, that's kind of George's thing.
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Post by Admin on May 17, 2015 21:50:42 GMT
Well I'm all for outrage directed at writers when they use rape as plot device, with no consequence in sight, in a maneuver that is just disgusting. You don't think there will be a consequence coming? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what's going to happen (eventually). I appreciate you feel it's disgusting, I just don't agree. Shitty things happen to people in this story, that's kind of George's thing. No, don't mix George in this. This is D&D doing this to Sansa. I really hope someone asks George what he thinks of this particular change. And no, based on everything I've seen from the show - no consequence to Jaime/Cersei scene, brushing off Sansa/Tyrion's marriage with "no consummation" line and LF's plan and generally his actions this season I'm almost certain there will be no scene depicting Sansa's pain and heartbreak over this particular event.
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