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Post by day dreamer on May 13, 2015 19:28:26 GMT
I also think we'll be going to Oldtown, but how would Sam get Shireen to go with him if she's already started her journey South with her father?
I think they could work Jaquen in somehow. Arya's a strong enough character on her own, she won't *need* him there once she gets deeper into her training.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 19:39:47 GMT
I'm not supportive of the speculation that Shireen goes with them. There's never been any plot reason to make it plausible and now she's gone with Dad to Winterfell so I highly doubt she's going to Oldtown.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 19:41:51 GMT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ahem
I was rather hoping this storyline would be cut. I do feel there are already too many story lines as it is, and that they could more easily have him discover whatever he needs to find at the Castle Black library. But who knows, they managed to make me care about Meereen, perhaps I will care about Oldtown as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 19:43:01 GMT
I also think we'll be going to Oldtown, but how would Sam get Shireen to go with him if she's already started her journey South with her father? I think they could work Jaquen in somehow. Arya's a strong enough character on her own, she won't *need* him there once she gets deeper into her training. I think something is going to send Selyse, Shireen and Mel back to the Wall--my personal theory is that 'something' will be Winter, but it could well be something Mel sees in the flames regarding Jon. And once they get back to the Wall, that's when I start holding my breath for Shireen's safety with those two loony women. And that's when, I hope, Jon lets Shireen go with Sam and Gilly, saving her from the flames or whatever awful thing Mel/Selyse had planned for her.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 19:45:09 GMT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ahem
I was rather hoping this storyline would be cut. I do feel there are already too many story lines as it is, and that they could more easily have him discover whatever he needs to find at the Castle Black library. But who knows, they managed to make me care about Meereen, perhaps I will care about Oldtown as well. Well, that's it, then. You're grounded. You have to stay home, in your room, while the rest of us take a lovely boat ride to go see the biggest library in the world.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 19:48:00 GMT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Ahem I was rather hoping this storyline would be cut. I do feel there are already too many story lines as it is, and that they could more easily have him discover whatever he needs to find at the Castle Black library. But who knows, they managed to make me care about Meereen, perhaps I will care about Oldtown as well. We've only had one chapter in Oldtown, though? I think the story there has barely even started so it's too early to judge it properly. The journey down there? That was awful and I'm certain that they're going to jettison most, if not all of it (i.e. he leaves for Oldtown in the finale and arrives there in the first episode of season 6).
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 19:52:59 GMT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ahem
I was rather hoping this storyline would be cut. I do feel there are already too many story lines as it is, and that they could more easily have him discover whatever he needs to find at the Castle Black library. But who knows, they managed to make me care about Meereen, perhaps I will care about Oldtown as well. Well, that's it, then. You're grounded. You have to stay home, in your room, while the rest of us take a lovely boat ride to go see the biggest library in the world. Damn. Will I have to eat my vegetables as well? That boat ride was anything but lovely!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 19:55:21 GMT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Ahem I was rather hoping this storyline would be cut. I do feel there are already too many story lines as it is, and that they could more easily have him discover whatever he needs to find at the Castle Black library. But who knows, they managed to make me care about Meereen, perhaps I will care about Oldtown as well. We've only had one chapter in Oldtown, though? I think the story there has barely even started so it's too early to judge it properly. The journey down there? That was awful and I'm certain that they're going to jettison most, if not all of it (i.e. he leaves for Oldtown in the finale and arrives there in the first episode of season 6). 2 chapters I believe, both of which I found deadly dull. But it's true, I can't say all that much about the quality, perhaps it will get better. I just can't help but think the narrative is fractured enough as it is, and doesn't need a wide-ranging Maester conspiracy on top of things. Also, I think it's good to have as many real characters at the Wall as possible. And yeah, the journey was indeed terrible. Sorry iheartseverus.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 20:13:47 GMT
I sincerely hope they don't do the boat trip portion if they do Oldtown and the Citadel. Maester Aemon is not going along and we're pretty sure he's going to die at the wall soon so there's nothing else that really develops anything in the trip other than Sam and Gilly having sex and that doesn't have to be on a boat trip to happen.
There were some interesting bits and characters in Sam's Citadel chapters but nothing I considered game-changing other than the glass candles part of Quaithe's prophecy, right?
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Post by kingeomer on May 13, 2015 20:36:10 GMT
Are we definitely going? Or is this just a throwaway line to a disused story, like the way they had Robb head to the Crag to accept a surrender back in series 2? Yes I remembered that. Because the North remembers. I remember that too and I hope the mentions of Oldtown are not just throwaway lines. Keep in mind that they also had to do the baby switch at the Wall to appease Melisandre so Gilly is with the child of Mance Ryder, while her child is at the Wall as Mance's child. Basically to be sacrificed at Melisandre's whim. The baby switch is not happening on the show...so should Sam go to Oldtown (and it's likely he will) either Gilly and the child stay behind at the Wall or they tag along and try to build a new life at Oldtown. I won't be surprised if one of Oberyn's daughters featured on the show doesn't wind up there.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 20:50:49 GMT
Are we definitely going? Or is this just a throwaway line to a disused story, like the way they had Robb head to the Crag to accept a surrender back in series 2? Yes I remembered that. Because the North remembers. I remember that too and I hope the mentions of Oldtown are not just throwaway lines. Keep in mind that they also had to do the baby switch at the Wall to appease Melisandre so Gilly is with the child of Mance Ryder, while her child is at the Wall as Mance's child. Basically to be sacrificed at Melisandre's whim. The baby switch is not happening on the show...so should Sam go to Oldtown (and it's likely he will) either Gilly and the child stay behind at the Wall or they tag along and try to build a new life at Oldtown. I won't be surprised if one of Oberyn's daughters featured on the show doesn't wind up there. I'd say the library scene with Gilly and the "keep reading" line from my man Stan does foreshadow it somewhat. But I dont remember any mention of big scenes with Sam being spotted during the filming. Unless theyre saving old town for next series...
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:06:34 GMT
I remember that too and I hope the mentions of Oldtown are not just throwaway lines. Keep in mind that they also had to do the baby switch at the Wall to appease Melisandre so Gilly is with the child of Mance Ryder, while her child is at the Wall as Mance's child. Basically to be sacrificed at Melisandre's whim. The baby switch is not happening on the show...so should Sam go to Oldtown (and it's likely he will) either Gilly and the child stay behind at the Wall or they tag along and try to build a new life at Oldtown. I won't be surprised if one of Oberyn's daughters featured on the show doesn't wind up there. I'd say the library scene with Gilly and the "keep reading" line from my man Stan does foreshadow it somewhat. But I dont remember any mention of big scenes with Sam being spotted during the filming. Unless theyre saving old town for next series...Yes, that's why I posted this in the Season 6 section. I presume, anyway, that Sam & co. will leave for Oldtown at the end of this series, and be there when Season 6 starts, skipping the travel time altogether.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:09:52 GMT
I'd say the library scene with Gilly and the "keep reading" line from my man Stan does foreshadow it somewhat. But I dont remember any mention of big scenes with Sam being spotted during the filming. Unless theyre saving old town for next series...Yes, that's why I posted this in the Season 6 section. I presume, anyway, that Sam & co. will leave for Oldtown at the end of this series, and be there when Season 6 starts, skipping the travel time altogether. Just seemed like a bit of a skip, though I hope that means theyre saving a good bit of time for Sams story in Old Town.
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Post by serpounce on May 13, 2015 21:12:39 GMT
Are we definitely going? Or is this just a throwaway line to a disused story, like the way they had Robb head to the Crag to accept a surrender back in series 2? Yes I remembered that. Because the North remembers. LOL. Aye, the North Remembers but I'm not sure remembering will be enough. I'd love to see Oldtown but I'm not sure. On the one hand, it would take a lot of resources to create but looks like it will be important to the overall story by explaining how to kill dragons and perhaps the connection between magic and Westeros. On the other hand, they built Hardhome for just one scene so maybe a lot of resources is not an issue. I have to admit, I'd really like to see it.
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Post by serpounce on May 13, 2015 21:16:29 GMT
I'm not supportive of the speculation that Shireen goes with them. There's never been any plot reason to make it plausible and now she's gone with Dad to Winterfell so I highly doubt she's going to Oldtown. I think many are speculating Shireen will go because she's the only one with king's blood to sacrifice and the show's been foreshadowing her doom. They've also had scenes with her connecting with Gilly so the rumor mill is a-running. I agree that her heading south with dad is baffling. I'm wondering if the ladies don't return for some reason. Not sure what but someone has to be at the Wall. Perhaps it will be Sam and no one will head to Oldtown.
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Post by serpounce on May 13, 2015 21:19:15 GMT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Ahem I was rather hoping this storyline would be cut. I do feel there are already too many story lines as it is, and that they could more easily have him discover whatever he needs to find at the Castle Black library. But who knows, they managed to make me care about Meereen, perhaps I will care about Oldtown as well. I agree, there are a lot of storylines happening at the moment and if you look at the unsullied threads, they're complaining about the same thing. That's another reason against Oldtown but it really depends on what happens there. But I think it would be really cool to see the maesters learning their craft. And meeting Alleras! She might be the only cool Sand Snake out there.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:19:39 GMT
I'm not supportive of the speculation that Shireen goes with them. There's never been any plot reason to make it plausible and now she's gone with Dad to Winterfell so I highly doubt she's going to Oldtown. I think many are speculating Shireen will go because she's the only one with king's blood to sacrifice and the show's been foreshadowing her doom. They've also had scenes with her connecting with Gilly so the rumor mill is a-running. I agree that her heading south with dad is baffling. I'm wondering if the ladies don't return for some reason. Not sure what but someone has to be at the Wall. Perhaps it will be Sam and no one will head to Oldtown. Ok, I'll concede there's been some hinting going on with a connection between Gilly and Shireen, but is it enough for her to be sent along with them? The only way Jon would do that is if he got wind of Mel's possible plans if/when the ladies to return to the wall. All of that's going to have to happen within three episodes though? Ohhhh.... maybe Shireen is the replacement for the baby swap in the books. I see where y'all are going with that. Hmm, ok. I can reconsider my disagreement on that speculation and instead sit on the fence with the "I have no freaking clue" club.
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Post by serpounce on May 13, 2015 21:22:55 GMT
I think many are speculating Shireen will go because she's the only one with king's blood to sacrifice and the show's been foreshadowing her doom. They've also had scenes with her connecting with Gilly so the rumor mill is a-running. I agree that her heading south with dad is baffling. I'm wondering if the ladies don't return for some reason. Not sure what but someone has to be at the Wall. Perhaps it will be Sam and no one will head to Oldtown. Ok, I'll concede there's been some hinting going on with a connection between Gilly and Shireen, but is it enough for her to be sent along with them? The only way Jon would do that is if he got wind of Mel's possible plans if/when the ladies to return to the wall. All of that's going to have to happen within three episodes though? Ohhhh.... maybe Shireen is the replacement for the baby swap in the books. I see where y'all are going with that. Hmm, ok. I can reconsider my disagreement on that speculation and instead sit on the fence with the "I have no freaking clue" club. Yes, that's what I meant by king's blood. But I agree, it's still a long shot. I think it makes sense given the show seems to be painting Melisandre as evil. Full stop. Saying she wants to kill the adorable Shireen would make viewers really see her as a huge villain. But yeah, there's also the greyscale thing which I've been suspecting (hoping) will be important. There's got to be a reason she survived it!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:27:16 GMT
I've read some great theories on grayscale and why it was so important to have JonCon bring it to Westeros as part of the end-story but I'd have to go look those up again, it's been awhile. Suddenly, Shireen's grayscale is very important and I have to think it's for more reasons than plot set up for the Valyrian ruins scene we just had with Jorah and Tyrion. Jorah being the one to bring it to Westeros makes a lot more sense in the more limited scope of the show anyways. It's more impacting with a character known and loved since season 1.
Shireen's grayscale has always intrigued me and why more Maesters or healers don't know how to halt it the way they did with hers. Seems like it was left out on purpose for all this time.
If she goes to Oldtown, where the Maesters are - that would definitely give plenty of platform for tying it in with discovering old secrets about how the whole mess got started and how to end it. Thousands of years since the white walkers came the first time -- that better be a well preserved library they're headed to!
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Post by serpounce on May 13, 2015 21:41:26 GMT
I've read some great theories on grayscale and why it was so important to have JonCon bring it to Westeros as part of the end-story but I'd have to go look those up again, it's been awhile. Suddenly, Shireen's grayscale is very important and I have to think it's for more reasons than plot set up for the Valyrian ruins scene we just had with Jorah and Tyrion. Jorah being the one to bring it to Westeros makes a lot more sense in the more limited scope of the show anyways. It's more impacting with a character known and loved since season 1. Shireen's grayscale has always intrigued me and why more Maesters or healers don't know how to halt it the way they did with hers. Seems like it was left out on purpose for all this time. If she goes to Oldtown, where the Maesters are - that would definitely give plenty of platform for tying it in with discovering old secrets about how the whole mess got started and how to end it. Thousands of years since the white walkers came the first time -- that better be a well preserved library they're headed to! I think the only reason JonCon brings it to Westeros is because Martin wants the kingdoms decimated. He wants grand scale disaster, imho. As for Shireen's cure, there are some diseases that kids get a mild version of that will kill adults, like chicken pox. I've always considered greyscale to be one of those. I love your idea that the maesters of Oldtown would find her being around useful in determining how to cure the masses. Nice!
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