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Post by TheMadQueen on Feb 7, 2017 1:49:20 GMT
You know what irks me? There's is deleted footage from the series but it's not offered on the DVDs. Rage! Two that come to mind; Ethan and Dorian's morning after, and Caliban/John Clare having sex with his wife (@ 1.00 in this trailer: ) tbh Caliban naked is a sight I do not need to see. But Ethan and Dorian would have been cool. They fuck once and then like never speak again lol. I would've liked a little more context to whatever that was.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Feb 7, 2017 1:50:36 GMT
Also that is a really good trailer damn I like that version of the song
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Post by Singer of Death on Feb 12, 2017 2:36:29 GMT
I just finished watching season 3. Some thoughts: -Most depressing ending i ever seen! -I cried at Ethan and Vanessa's reunion and her death. -The acting is superb, especially Rory Kinnear's. -Loved Caliban's final monologue. Perfectly sum up the feel of the series and i loved how they set him meeting Vanessa's grave -The finale intro song is beautiful and melancholic and it gives me the feel. -Dorian is the most pointless character in the series ever. -Lily is the second most pointless character. -Jekyll is the third most pointless character. -Dorian's face at the dinner table with Lily's women is priceless. -Again, why did the show have to cancelled! Such a rushed ending and it didn't really answer all the plotlines. Btw, i laughed at the scene where Victor kidnapped Lily cuz it was badly directed like Victor came out of nowhere lol.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Feb 12, 2017 4:03:54 GMT
I just finished watching season 3. Some thoughts: -Most depressing ending i ever seen! -I cried at Ethan and Vanessa's reunion and her death. -The acting is superb, especially Rory Kinnear's. -Loved Caliban's final monologue. Perfectly sum up the feel of the series and i loved how they set him meeting Vanessa's grave -The finale intro song is beautiful and melancholic and it gives me the feel. -Dorian is the most pointless character in the series ever. -Lily is the second most pointless character. -Jekyll is the third most pointless character. -Dorian's face at the dinner table with Lily's women is priceless. -Again, why did the show have to cancelled! Such a rushed ending and it didn't really answer all the plotlines. Btw, i laughed at the scene where Victor kidnapped Lily cuz it was badly directed like Victor came out of nowhere lol. yay you finished! I agree with pretty much everything you said. It was so sad, but in my opinion, it felt right.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Feb 12, 2017 4:06:11 GMT
Lily wasn't pointless. Her story was her own. It wasn't connected to Vanessa's story (I.e.the main plot) but doesn't make her pointless. It was such a powerful narrative of loss, pain, revenge, the futility of a life fuelled by anger. And it revelled in being completely open about what it was. Why should it hide that it's making a feminism statement (moreso season 2 with Victor and John Clare treating her as their possession).. She is such a well crafted character, and has some incredible moments (2/08, 3/07, 3/08 in particular) Dorian wasn't the best character. His speech at the end summarises what Logan was going for but the execution isn't quite there. Reeve Carney was awesome in S3 though, especially, as you say, the dinner scene. When Lily took his glass he looks like I imagine Cersei when the HS says "no" in the books. Also "Listen, child!" was brilliant and showed us Dorian's aggressive side I would have liked to see more Jekyll. Such a fascinating idea, making him half-Indian. Could have done so much there. If you watch Lily's kidnap you see the carriage pull up behind Lily as Dorian gets close to the end of his speech, around the time he tells her they are at the ebb tide. So he doesn't come out of nowhere. And him and Dorian working together is well set up before this in the 'debt' Dorian says he will collect, and then his ominously leaving the house after confronting Justine. As to the rushed ending, I believe Logan when he said he always meant to end it here. I actually recall him making statements to that effect long ago - maybe the 2014 comic-con, not sure. The problem he ran into I think was he added a bit more to this show than originally planned, so some stories were not fully resolved to satisfaction (notably Jekyll). However, I've had a long time to reflect, and the ending really does work. A few points: 1) Lack of Vanessa: in episode 8 she doesn't appear at all. In episode 9 she gets like 5 minutes. This really bothered me at first, but now I think it a wise choice. When Ethan walks into that room in the finale, we don't know where Vanessa is, mentally. Will she turn on Ethan? Has she fully embraced the dark? What's going to happen? Not following Vanessa int here episodes leaves us wondering how it will all end, and how she feels about it. Of course, we discover she cannot live with the decision she made - it's too selfish for her. I suspect she truly did love Dr. Sweet, and he probably loved her too. He accepted this darkness in her, which was a fundamental part of who she was, just as her faith used to be. That had to attract her to him. But, allowing the apocalypse to begin wasn't something she could live with. She knew she had to die, if there's was to be peace. 2) Ambiguous endings: We leave off most characters not knowing where they will go. Malcom makes this braved decision that he is not going to run off exploring, as he has so often in the past, rather than face his problems. Instead, he will remain, carve out a life for himself, without Vanessa, without his children. And Ethan will be with him. We are left wondering how these two men, whose lives for the last year (or longer for Sir M) had centred around Vanessa. And of course, Ethan is to live with the guilt he undoubtedly feels. Sure, she wanted him to kill her. But it must weigh heavy on him. The beauty of the ending is that it doesn't answer these questions for us. Nor should it, IMO. Too often TV shows treat the audience as braindead and lacking imagination to fill in the blanks. Each person will have their own take on how the two men will cope without her, and that's the best way to present it for me. Lily, of course, ends with another dead child and walks out on Dorian. Yet, she has an eternity stretching out ahead of her. The raw, animal hatred and anger she carried in her has dulled a bit with telling Victor about it. But we are left to wonder where she will go, and what she will do. I don't for a second believe she would fade to obscurity. But she stands on the cusp of a huge feminist movement. She previously disparaged the suffragettes, but perhaps now the anger is dulled, that is something she would move to. John Clare ends the series as he began it - alone. Such a tragic complex character, one who is both hateful and compelling at the same time. Seems he is doomed to always live in isolation and be dogged by tragedy. For me, only Jekyll/Hyde needed significantly more time before the finale. Shazam Latif is awesome and I would have liked to see him full on batshit crazy because the teases of it were superb. (And gosh, what a fantastic set they had for Jekyll's lab!) The comic sequel should be interesting at least.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Feb 12, 2017 4:07:03 GMT
Oh, if only I could write so much so quickly for university work
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Post by TheMadQueen on Feb 12, 2017 4:40:02 GMT
Oh, if only I could write so much so quickly for university work agree with everything you said about lily. I didn't really get it the first time around, but upon a rewatch I really saw how beautiful it was. And yeah, I liked the mystery surrounding Vanessa in the last few episodes, so I understand the decision to keep her off screen until necessary.
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Post by Singer of Death on Feb 12, 2017 4:59:11 GMT
Lily wasn't pointless. Her story was her own. It wasn't connected to Vanessa's story (I.e.the main plot) but doesn't make her pointless. It was such a powerful narrative of loss, pain, revenge, the futility of a life fuelled by anger. And it revelled in being completely open about what it was. Why should it hide that it's making a feminism statement (moreso season 2 with Victor and John Clare treating her as their possession).. She is such a well crafted character, and has some incredible moments (2/08, 3/07, 3/08 in particular) Dorian wasn't the best character. His speech at the end summarises what Logan was going for but the execution isn't quite there. Reeve Carney was awesome in S3 though, especially, as you say, the dinner scene. When Lily took his glass he looks like I imagine Cersei when the HS says "no" in the books. Also "Listen, child!" was brilliant and showed us Dorian's aggressive side I would have liked to see more Jekyll. Such a fascinating idea, making him half-Indian. Could have done so much there. If you watch Lily's kidnap you see the carriage pull up behind Lily as Dorian gets close to the end of his speech, around the time he tells her they are at the ebb tide. So he doesn't come out of nowhere. And him and Dorian working together is well set up before this in the 'debt' Dorian says he will collect, and then his ominously leaving the house after confronting Justine. As to the rushed ending, I believe Logan when he said he always meant to end it here. I actually recall him making statements to that effect long ago - maybe the 2014 comic-con, not sure. The problem he ran into I think was he added a bit more to this show than originally planned, so some stories were not fully resolved to satisfaction (notably Jekyll). However, I've had a long time to reflect, and the ending really does work. A few points: 1) Lack of Vanessa: in episode 8 she doesn't appear at all. In episode 9 she gets like 5 minutes. This really bothered me at first, but now I think it a wise choice. When Ethan walks into that room in the finale, we don't know where Vanessa is, mentally. Will she turn on Ethan? Has she fully embraced the dark? What's going to happen? Not following Vanessa int here episodes leaves us wondering how it will all end, and how she feels about it. Of course, we discover she cannot live with the decision she made - it's too selfish for her. I suspect she truly did love Dr. Sweet, and he probably loved her too. He accepted this darkness in her, which was a fundamental part of who she was, just as her faith used to be. That had to attract her to him. But, allowing the apocalypse to begin wasn't something she could live with. She knew she had to die, if there's was to be peace. 2) Ambiguous endings: We leave off most characters not knowing where they will go. Malcom makes this braved decision that he is not going to run off exploring, as he has so often in the past, rather than face his problems. Instead, he will remain, carve out a life for himself, without Vanessa, without his children. And Ethan will be with him. We are left wondering how these two men, whose lives for the last year (or longer for Sir M) had centred around Vanessa. And of course, Ethan is to live with the guilt he undoubtedly feels. Sure, she wanted him to kill her. But it must weigh heavy on him. The beauty of the ending is that it doesn't answer these questions for us. Nor should it, IMO. Too often TV shows treat the audience as braindead and lacking imagination to fill in the blanks. Each person will have their own take on how the two men will cope without her, and that's the best way to present it for me. Lily, of course, ends with another dead child and walks out on Dorian. Yet, she has an eternity stretching out ahead of her. The raw, animal hatred and anger she carried in her has dulled a bit with telling Victor about it. But we are left to wonder where she will go, and what she will do. I don't for a second believe she would fade to obscurity. But she stands on the cusp of a huge feminist movement. She previously disparaged the suffragettes, but perhaps now the anger is dulled, that is something she would move to. John Clare ends the series as he began it - alone. Such a tragic complex character, one who is both hateful and compelling at the same time. Seems he is doomed to always live in isolation and be dogged by tragedy. For me, only Jekyll/Hyde needed significantly more time before the finale. Shazam Latif is awesome and I would have liked to see him full on batshit crazy because the teases of it were superb. (And gosh, what a fantastic set they had for Jekyll's lab!) The comic sequel should be interesting at least. Well someone is a big fan here. I understood where you are coming from. I know Lily and Dorian does not something to contribute to the overall theme, but not to the plot however. Especially considering Dorian is so underutilized. I'm very interested in Jekyll and Victor's conflict. I agreed that this needs to be resolve, but i'm also hoping for Victor's character development as well since he's very underdeveloped aside from freeing Lily from his experiment. Like we didn't have a final scene with Victor regarding his change of character and all. I don't mind the content here like Venessa's death, her lack of screen time in the last few episodes, and all, but the way it's executed is so poorly done like i explained the reasons. And for John Clare, he's my favorite character in the series. My heart breaks for him to rejected his wife's wish in favor of what it is best for their son. knowing that his wife would eventually hate him and he would have to find another life. The last scene got me the most.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Feb 13, 2017 1:30:37 GMT
Lily wasn't pointless. Her story was her own. It wasn't connected to Vanessa's story (I.e.the main plot) but doesn't make her pointless. It was such a powerful narrative of loss, pain, revenge, the futility of a life fuelled by anger. And it revelled in being completely open about what it was. Why should it hide that it's making a feminism statement (moreso season 2 with Victor and John Clare treating her as their possession).. She is such a well crafted character, and has some incredible moments (2/08, 3/07, 3/08 in particular) Dorian wasn't the best character. His speech at the end summarises what Logan was going for but the execution isn't quite there. Reeve Carney was awesome in S3 though, especially, as you say, the dinner scene. When Lily took his glass he looks like I imagine Cersei when the HS says "no" in the books. Also "Listen, child!" was brilliant and showed us Dorian's aggressive side I would have liked to see more Jekyll. Such a fascinating idea, making him half-Indian. Could have done so much there. If you watch Lily's kidnap you see the carriage pull up behind Lily as Dorian gets close to the end of his speech, around the time he tells her they are at the ebb tide. So he doesn't come out of nowhere. And him and Dorian working together is well set up before this in the 'debt' Dorian says he will collect, and then his ominously leaving the house after confronting Justine. As to the rushed ending, I believe Logan when he said he always meant to end it here. I actually recall him making statements to that effect long ago - maybe the 2014 comic-con, not sure. The problem he ran into I think was he added a bit more to this show than originally planned, so some stories were not fully resolved to satisfaction (notably Jekyll). However, I've had a long time to reflect, and the ending really does work. A few points: 1) Lack of Vanessa: in episode 8 she doesn't appear at all. In episode 9 she gets like 5 minutes. This really bothered me at first, but now I think it a wise choice. When Ethan walks into that room in the finale, we don't know where Vanessa is, mentally. Will she turn on Ethan? Has she fully embraced the dark? What's going to happen? Not following Vanessa int here episodes leaves us wondering how it will all end, and how she feels about it. Of course, we discover she cannot live with the decision she made - it's too selfish for her. I suspect she truly did love Dr. Sweet, and he probably loved her too. He accepted this darkness in her, which was a fundamental part of who she was, just as her faith used to be. That had to attract her to him. But, allowing the apocalypse to begin wasn't something she could live with. She knew she had to die, if there's was to be peace. 2) Ambiguous endings: We leave off most characters not knowing where they will go. Malcom makes this braved decision that he is not going to run off exploring, as he has so often in the past, rather than face his problems. Instead, he will remain, carve out a life for himself, without Vanessa, without his children. And Ethan will be with him. We are left wondering how these two men, whose lives for the last year (or longer for Sir M) had centred around Vanessa. And of course, Ethan is to live with the guilt he undoubtedly feels. Sure, she wanted him to kill her. But it must weigh heavy on him. The beauty of the ending is that it doesn't answer these questions for us. Nor should it, IMO. Too often TV shows treat the audience as braindead and lacking imagination to fill in the blanks. Each person will have their own take on how the two men will cope without her, and that's the best way to present it for me. Lily, of course, ends with another dead child and walks out on Dorian. Yet, she has an eternity stretching out ahead of her. The raw, animal hatred and anger she carried in her has dulled a bit with telling Victor about it. But we are left to wonder where she will go, and what she will do. I don't for a second believe she would fade to obscurity. But she stands on the cusp of a huge feminist movement. She previously disparaged the suffragettes, but perhaps now the anger is dulled, that is something she would move to. John Clare ends the series as he began it - alone. Such a tragic complex character, one who is both hateful and compelling at the same time. Seems he is doomed to always live in isolation and be dogged by tragedy. For me, only Jekyll/Hyde needed significantly more time before the finale. Shazam Latif is awesome and I would have liked to see him full on batshit crazy because the teases of it were superb. (And gosh, what a fantastic set they had for Jekyll's lab!) The comic sequel should be interesting at least. Well someone is a big fan here. I understood where you are coming from. I know Lily and Dorian does not something to contribute to the overall theme, but not to the plot however. Especially considering Dorian is so underutilized. I'm very interested in Jekyll and Victor's conflict. I agreed that this needs to be resolve, but i'm also hoping for Victor's character development as well since he's very underdeveloped aside from freeing Lily from his experiment. Like we didn't have a final scene with Victor regarding his change of character and all. I don't mind the content here like Venessa's death, her lack of screen time in the last few episodes, and all, but the way it's executed is so poorly done like i explained the reasons. And for John Clare, he's my favorite character in the series. My heart breaks for him to rejected his wife's wish in favor of what it is best for their son. knowing that his wife would eventually hate him and he would have to find another life. The last scene got me the most. Oh child, that is the biggest understatement this side of the apocalypse
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Post by TheMadQueen on Feb 19, 2017 15:57:10 GMT
i'm writing about about brona for my film representation class!!
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Post by TheMadQueen on Feb 21, 2017 18:53:21 GMT
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Feb 21, 2017 19:45:54 GMT
Get hype! Honestly there is so much i coukd write about this series. Each character is so fascinating and ruchly developed. Its incredible how much development of a character could be managed in a short time - look at Renfield in the finale. His hypnosis walk with Dr. Seward was awesome and invoked sympathy for this character whi wasnt evil at all, but vulnerable,used and manipulated. And the fabulous Ferdinand (Im so glad he is going to be in the sequel comic) who starts as a bit of a comical but useful encyclopedia of the occult, then becomes a tragic victim of blackmail complicit in the hunting of Vanessa, but who ultimately risks all because he forms such a strong bond with the whole group. And finally ends in some measure of happiness,journeying somewhere he hopes he can be accepted for who he really is, rather than having to maintain his public facade. And Hecate, the seemingly straight up villain, in season three we discover she had little choice in the matter, having been indoctrinated and abused into herblifestyle as a young girl. (And there are very interesting parallels to be drawn there with indoctrination of children in strictly religious families, lack of choice etc. That is oh so relevant today, not just in regards to Islamic fundamentalists/jihadists who have been raised in their beliefs from birth, but also, for example, Christian fundamentalists raised in a constant barrage of anti-LGBTQ+, misogynistic intolerance). *pauses*
I'll probably write more another time because i cant help myself. Eagerly awaiting the comics though
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Post by Singer of Death on Feb 23, 2017 2:30:41 GMT
Get hype! Honestly there is so much i coukd write about this series. Each character is so fascinating and ruchly developed. Its incredible how much development of a character could be managed in a short time - look at Renfield in the finale. His hypnosis walk with Dr. Seward was awesome and invoked sympathy for this character whi wasnt evil at all, but vulnerable,used and manipulated. And the fabulous Ferdinand (Im so glad he is going to be in the sequel comic) who starts as a bit of a comical but useful encyclopedia of the occult, then becomes a tragic victim of blackmail complicit in the hunting of Vanessa, but who ultimately risks all because he forms such a strong bond with the whole group. And finally ends in some measure of happiness,journeying somewhere he hopes he can be accepted for who he really is, rather than having to maintain his public facade. And Hecate, the seemingly straight up villain, in season three we discover she had little choice in the matter, having been indoctrinated and abused into herblifestyle as a young girl. (And there are very interesting parallels to be drawn there with indoctrination of children in strictly religious families, lack of choice etc. That is oh so relevant today, not just in regards to Islamic fundamentalists/jihadists who have been raised in their beliefs from birth, but also, for example, Christian fundamentalists raised in a constant barrage of anti-LGBTQ+, misogynistic intolerance). *pauses* I'll probably write more another time because i cant help myself. Eagerly awaiting the comics though Why don't you write an essay about and almost everything about the show? A good start to introduce uneducated viewers (like me) about how awesome Penny Dreadful is if you ask me. Oh and if anybody get a chance to read the comic sequel, feel free to spoil the plot here. I actually don't mind the spoilers since i have little time to read them sadly.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 3, 2017 3:17:37 GMT
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 13, 2017 15:56:50 GMT
They aren't necessarily about the Mummy. There was a lot of Egyptian mythology in season one, it could just be an expansion on that, and how "Amunet" relates to Dracula, Lucifer and Vanessa (e.g. Lyle making this discovery and taking the knowledge to Sir M) Also, some little tidbits for this week: Justine was likely named for a character in another Gothic novel by the infamous Marquis de Sade Justine The titular character is a young girl placed in many dire, sadistic situations and she lives a terrible life. Catriona Hartdegan was given the surname of the Time Traveller from John Logan's 2002 adaptation of The Time Machine by H.G. Wells. Given it was Logan's adaptation of the book I imagine it was intentionally done. Also the prequels are coming out as a single collection
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 4, 2017 17:43:13 GMT
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 4, 2017 17:43:44 GMT
I'm not ready
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 4, 2017 20:23:08 GMT
Don't know whether to buy each issue as it's released or wait until it's completed. I'd like to binge these things and I have exams to prep for so I shouldn't really let my Dreadful obsession consume me this month
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 4, 2017 20:35:30 GMT
Don't know whether to buy each issue as it's released or wait until it's completed. I'd like to binge these things and I have exams to prep for so I shouldn't really let my Dreadful obsession consume me this month idek how to go about getting them. I'm sure I'll find them online somewhere. It' definitely has a mummy storyline in it. The way that thing describes it, this sounds like it could be really good or really bad. If they bring Vanessa back to life I will track down the writer and hit him.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 4, 2017 20:53:24 GMT
cover for #3. looks purdy.
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