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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 23:42:08 GMT
Ok so for Sullied when you go back and reread, do you still envision the characters like you first did looks wise, or do you now see them as their actor/actresses on the show?
Since I've started to read after I watched the first 4 Seasons, I see them as their show counterparts regardless of how they're described in the books.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 23:52:27 GMT
I still envisage most characters as my own kind of vision of them, although show-elements of most do leech in. And in some cases, I do see the actor completely e.g. Varys and Ned. My Jon is very different to Kit  Although my Daenerys is very similar to Emilia. One thing I will say, though, is that when reading I sometimes have a habit of ignoring particularly defining traits of certain people. E.g. Cersei is described endlessly as being blonde, but it wasn't until the end of ACOK where I actually started to picture her as a blonde. For the longest time she had jet black hair to me  I had a similar flop with Dany. "Silver blonde" always conjured up an image of dirty blonde. Although I lost that eventually. |
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Post by kingeomer on May 5, 2015 2:32:08 GMT
I envision the characters differently in the books. In my head Ned looks more like Joseph Mawle (who played Benjen) more than Sean Bean. I can't say that picture an actor or actress as the other characters. Conelith Hill is probably very close to the Varys in my head.
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Post by King Tyrion I on May 5, 2015 9:53:41 GMT
Nice question, Jack.
I'm doing a re-read of AGoT at the moment (I finally have an ebook reader now, yay!) and I still go with the. original descriptions rather than the actors.
This is funny indeed, because I first read the books *after* watching S1.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 10:12:22 GMT
A very good question!
For me, this is complicated. I read the books just before I watched the seasons, so I had my own views. The "problem" is that some actors are just so good and fitting that they have "hijacked" my original views of the characters. Two examples: Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister and Liam Cunningham as Davos Seaworth.
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Post by Quoth on May 5, 2015 14:34:14 GMT
I still envisage most characters as my own kind of vision of them, although show-elements of most do leech in. And in some cases, I do see the actor completely e.g. Varys and Ned. My Jon is very different to Kit Although my Daenerys is very similar to Emilia. One thing I will say, though, is that when reading I sometimes have a habit of ignoring particularly defining traits of certain people. E.g. Cersei is described endlessly as being blonde, but it wasn't until the end of ACOK where I actually started to picture her as a blonde. For the longest time she had jet black hair to me I had a similar flop with Dany. "Silver blonde" always conjured up an image of dirty blonde. Although I lost that eventually. I still picture them as I originally did. The show is an entirely separate entity for me. And, like Fire and Blood, I tend to totally ignore GRRM's description of his characters. For example, Cat will always and forever be Gillian Anderson, despite what George or the TV casting department claim. Jon Snow will always be as portrayed in my head as depicted on the original dust cover. And, until the show, I never "saw" Varys as bald or fat! Guess that tops you, Fire and Blood. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 5, 2015 15:34:58 GMT
Some actors have seemed to perfectly fit the image in my head, like Ned, Daenerys and Melisandre.
Other have managed to take change their image like Tywin, Davos and Stannis.
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Post by morgantayler on May 12, 2015 18:45:58 GMT
I started reading the books after I watched so I usually just pictured the actors. When I read through again, I should make note if that's still the same or not.
I have no idea why but I sometimes picture Rhaegar as having black hair even though I know he had the silver Targ hair lol. It doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Nezzer on May 14, 2015 17:33:32 GMT
I read all five books between season 1 and season 2, but I have a really poor imagination when it comes to picturing faces by reading their description. I have to see some fanart before having a clear picture of a face that hasn't yet appeared on the show.
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Post by day dreamer on May 15, 2015 15:18:38 GMT
I picture the show characters when I'm reading because I watched season 1 and most of season 2 before I started the books.
Ramsay was nothing like how I envisioned him. He's way more menacing in my mind. The Sand Snakes are obviously different. I pictured Roose differently too, but now I only think of McElhatton because I think he's perfect. Same with Christie for Brienne. Areo and Doran are very different in my head as well. Oberyn was pretty close.
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Post by lordcarson on May 15, 2015 16:09:13 GMT
I see a lot of the Dornish characters differently than the are in the show. I see my version of Jorah, YarAsha and Reek. The only actors that I consistently picture are Sophie, Charles Dance, Stephen, Gethin Anthony, and John Bradley.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 16:31:08 GMT
Yeah. I thought that the Dornish were supposed to be more darker skinned. They're latinos on the show, but I pictured them as Arabs or something like that.
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Post by morgantayler on May 15, 2015 18:33:04 GMT
Yeah. I thought that the Dornish were supposed to be more darker skinned. They're latinos on the show, but I pictured them as Arabs or something like that. None of the actors playing Dornish characters are of latino descent other than Pedro Pascal.....Keisha is Maori, Jessica is Asian, Rosabel is Italian, Alexander is Sudanese, and Indira is Indian. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 14:19:25 GMT
I picture the show characters when I'm reading because I watched season 1 and most of season 2 before I started the books. Ramsay was nothing like how I envisioned him. He's way more menacing in my mind. The Sand Snakes are obviously different. I pictured Roose differently too, but now I only think of McElhatton because I think he's perfect. Same with Christie for Brienne. Areo and Doran are very different in my head as well. Oberyn was pretty close. I actually pictured Ramsay as completely average and unassuming. Iwan Rheon is in good shape, and my Ramsay was soft and overweight. A lot of murderers in real life don't look like monsters, so I thought a sadistic character like Ramsay would be scarier if he looked normal and harmless. Roose was described very differently in the books, but I think I'll always see McElhatton in the future, he just owned the role. Oberyn had long hair in my mind. |
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Post by day dreamer on May 16, 2015 15:41:10 GMT
I picture the show characters when I'm reading because I watched season 1 and most of season 2 before I started the books. Ramsay was nothing like how I envisioned him. He's way more menacing in my mind. The Sand Snakes are obviously different. I pictured Roose differently too, but now I only think of McElhatton because I think he's perfect. Same with Christie for Brienne. Areo and Doran are very different in my head as well. Oberyn was pretty close. I actually pictured Ramsay as completely average and unassuming. Iwan Rheon is in good shape, and my Ramsay was soft and overweight. A lot of murderers in real life don't look like monsters, so I thought a sadistic character like Ramsay would be scarier if he looked normal and harmless. Roose was described very differently in the books, but I think I'll always see McElhatton in the future, he just owned the role. Oberyn had long hair in my mind. I weirdly pictured Ramsay to look like a live action version of the villain in Mulan. He's totally going to be fat later in life:  |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 26, 2015 14:32:15 GMT
It depends... The show characters that came to be similar to their book counterparts kind of started popping in my mind when reading. That means Ned, Catelyn, Jon, Daenerys, Cersei, Melisandre, Tywin, Stannis, Robert... For others I keep the ones in my imagination. Oberyn, Littlefinger, Margaery, Jaime and Robb are somewhat different. But Roose, Ramsay, Doran, Nymeria, Tyene, Hizdahr, Tyrion... They are just absolutely different in my mind Oh, and I also ignore some descriptions from George. Tyrion has always had his nose in my mind, even when the book was directly talking about his feelings of having lost it. No bro, you still got it |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 15:10:31 GMT
It caused me a lot of cognitive dissonance when I first saw the show actors and they didn't look like what I envisioned. We all know how much physical looks matter in the books (because they stand in for paternity tests!) Some characters were perfect: Catelyn, Sansa, and Robb, for example, were older than I imagined, but otherwise spot on. Arya was pretty close too but with a rounder face. It took me a while to stop hating that Jon didn't have grey eyes and didn't look like Ned or Arya (It still bugs me that I now have to "remember" Lyanna with brown eyes). Now when I read the books, which I've done once since the show started, I see the actors instead of the characters I used to see, and it's a bit jarring when they don't fit the written descriptions.
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Although my Daenerys is very similar to Emilia.
I had a similar flop with Dany. "Silver blonde" always conjured up an image of dirty blonde. Although I lost that eventually. 
