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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 18, 2022 22:42:21 GMT
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Post by izzue on Sept 19, 2022 3:02:08 GMT
Holy Shit!!! Holy Shit!!!
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Post by Enid on Sept 19, 2022 10:44:55 GMT
Well that was intense
Will we ever have a wedding with no deaths in the ASOIAF universe???
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 19, 2022 13:03:40 GMT
Well that was intense Will we ever have a wedding with no deaths in the ASOIAF universe??? Never 🤣 A few minor quibbles aside, I did like this episode. I liked that Rhaenyra and Laenor got it all out in the open, no secrets between them. I’m not sure why Cristan thought she’d run away with him when she’s been worried about her place on the throne for a while. Good reminder in the conversation with Corlys and Rheanarys about her lost claim to the throne because she’s a woman. I am surprised Cristan wasn’t arrested. I don’t like Daemon, but damn, Matt Smith is doing the Lord’s work in that role. Otto might be self serving but what he told Alicent is true. This time she finally listens. Joffrey is not a lucky name to have at a wedding. The scene of Laenor crawling over to Joffrey was reminiscent of the Red Wedding. Viserys is doing everything he can to sure his daughters claim to the throne. He knows his time is short. I don’t think what he will do will be enough. |
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Post by izzue on Sept 19, 2022 20:03:30 GMT
So - wonder how Alicent will use Cole. She had truly become her father's daughter, and although everything Otto has told his daughter is smart and true if ambition is the goal (and very few of the characters in HOTD are not) I do not like his manipulation of Viserys and of circumstances - all circumstances. My hope is that Alicent from here on will be the Alicent in the green dress, but I hope that doesn't also mean she becomes conniving. Small chance of avoiding that. This is Martin's work, after all, and he's so good at drawing out the best and the worst in every character.
An article I read in The New York Times raised the question of whether or not Daemon is impotent. That had never crossed my mind, but the article cited the fact that he and Rhea had no children and that he pulled away when he and Rhaenyra 'almost coupled'. I'd thought that was because he had a sudden attack of conscience, but I'm leaning towards the NYT's take on it.
And Laena and Daemon?
I didn't realize until texting with my cousin that the slimy Larys Strong is the son of Lyonel Strong, Viserys's new Hand. So far we've never seen Lyonel give Viserys any advice that wasn't sound, objective, un-self-serving, and loyal. Wonder who will prevail in that Father/Son dynamic.
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Sept 19, 2022 21:40:56 GMT
Liked the episode, but I really don't think I was meant to laugh at Criston Cole's confession.
The man has 0 poker face.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Sept 19, 2022 22:23:39 GMT
Well that was intense Will we ever have a wedding with no deaths in the ASOIAF universe??? lysafinger's wedding only managed to kill sansa's sleep as she listened to her aunt's moans. tyrion/sansa only had him threaten to geld joffrey and joffers threaten to rape sansa, while ramsay's wedding was just rape. oh, and tommen/margaery were fine bc cersei restrained herself from killing the tyrells until later. (i know this was a rhetorical question but i wanted to count them.) So - wonder how Alicent will use Cole. She had truly become her father's daughter, and although everything Otto has told his daughter is smart and true if ambition is the goal (and very few of the characters in HOTD are not) I do not like his manipulation of Viserys and of circumstances - all circumstances. My hope is that Alicent from here on will be the Alicent in the green dress, but I hope that doesn't also mean she becomes conniving. Small chance of avoiding that. This is Martin's work, after all, and he's so good at drawing out the best and the worst in every character. nah, as a cersei fangirl, i, for one, can't wait to see alicent go full mean queen. olivia cooke should eat that up. (tho i only know her from thoroughbreds where anya taylor-joy had the more alicent-like character.) v disappointed we did not actually have a confrontation btwn young alicent and rhaenyra. i wanted to see their final break-up after the near reconciliation last week. An article I read in The New York Times raised the question of whether or not Daemon is impotent. That had never crossed my mind, but the article cited the fact that he and Rhea had no children and that he pulled away when he and Rhaenyra 'almost coupled'. I'd thought that was because he had a sudden attack of conscience, but I'm leaning towards the NYT's take on it. daemon's erectile dysfunction first came up (heh) in the pilot when he's fucking mysaria then pulls out limp to hide under a blankie. in the inside-the-ep for 1.04 they suggest he did lose his boner from an attack of conscience when rhaenyra turns around and he has to look her in the eyes. (i wouldn't want to philosophize about sex positons but got already did with dany's sex ed by doreah where she basically says being taken from behind is the whore's position and love comes in at the eyes.) daemon slammed the wall when he abandoned rhaenyra and then got black-out drunk so he clearly was not happy about what happened. i also think he and his wife just hated each other and he was prob dissatisfied he had to marry someone unrelated to him. what a sandor clegane move from ser harwin.  |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 19, 2022 23:06:18 GMT
Great episode. Standout moment for me was that entrance from Alicent. The music, the direction, the reactions, even the exposition - I loved it all. I'd wondered why the episode was named We Light the Way (Hightower words) when the episode was on the Velaryon wedding, but now I totally get it. It's been great to see that character grow and learn and really come into her own in this episode, and I'll miss Emily Carey in the role. She and Milly Alcock have done a terrific job - and hey there's always room for some flashbacks down the line if they want to bring them back.
Random thoughts: - The absolute nerve of Jason Lannister to make a 'women and their makeup, amirite?' joke directly to the king and crown princess
- Strange to say but I kinda missed Corlys. He was only absent for one episode but did so little in ep3, I think I'm still won over by his ep2 performance. Feels weirdly nostalgic to see him again, reminds me of the simpler times.
- I like how distinct Larys feels from the previous schemers like Varys and LF, excited to see more of him.
- Loved the Royces' armour! Think I'll be gushing over the costumes in every episode at this rate.
- Still not impressed by Laenor's actor but I assume this is also his last episode
- And lastly I can't express how much I laughed at Lyonel's nod to Harwin, apparently giving the signal to start whaling on random people on the way to save Rhaenyra. I love the idea of them planning for this exact scenario.
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 19, 2022 23:40:12 GMT
So - wonder how Alicent will use Cole. She had truly become her father's daughter, and although everything Otto has told his daughter is smart and true if ambition is the goal (and very few of the characters in HOTD are not) I do not like his manipulation of Viserys and of circumstances - all circumstances. My hope is that Alicent from here on will be the Alicent in the green dress, but I hope that doesn't also mean she becomes conniving. Small chance of avoiding that. This is Martin's work, after all, and he's so good at drawing out the best and the worst in every character. An article I read in The New York Times raised the question of whether or not Daemon is impotent. That had never crossed my mind, but the article cited the fact that he and Rhea had no children and that he pulled away when he and Rhaenyra 'almost coupled'. I'd thought that was because he had a sudden attack of conscience, but I'm leaning towards the NYT's take on it. And Laena and Daemon? I didn't realize until texting with my cousin that the slimy Larys Strong is the son of Lyonel Strong, Viserys's new Hand. So far we've never seen Lyonel give Viserys any advice that wasn't sound, objective, un-self-serving, and loyal. Wonder who will prevail in that Father/Son dynamic. I did not make the connection between the Strong father and son. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Sept 20, 2022 12:34:13 GMT
- And lastly I can't express how much I laughed at Lyonel's nod to Harwin, apparently giving the signal to start whaling on random people on the way to save Rhaenyra. I love the idea of them planning for this exact scenario.
it reminded me of cat signaling to robb to carry arya to bed in the winterfell feast, only, y'know very different circumstances of food fight vs. brawl. i bet their only real surprise was daemon not being the one to start shit. altho he was about to mack on rhaenyra before the scream went off. dude must be pissed that alicent upstaged his entrance and he failed to steal the bride away after her groom's boyfriend was murdered. also, re: daemon's dick problems, forgot to say that "i knew you couldn't finish" was def a double entendre. |
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Post by day dreamer on Sept 20, 2022 15:50:48 GMT
I thought the episode felt a bit rushed. I only read Fire & Blood once, but I don't remember ALL of that shit happening back to back. it just felt like a lot. I liked Rhaenyra and Laenor being on the same page. Allicent's entrance was cool. She's kind of an asshole, but I loved the green dress. I'm actually bummed that this was the last time we get with the younger actors because Milly was awesome. Cole is such a moron  It really didn't make sense to me that he would want her to run away with him. Especially after we get a scene of them fucking once. Like bitch, being a white knight Paramour is FINE. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 20, 2022 16:10:24 GMT
- And lastly I can't express how much I laughed at Lyonel's nod to Harwin, apparently giving the signal to start whaling on random people on the way to save Rhaenyra. I love the idea of them planning for this exact scenario.
it reminded me of cat signaling to robb to carry arya to bed in the winterfell feast, only, y'know very different circumstances of food fight vs. brawl. i bet their only real surprise was daemon not being the one to start shit. altho he was about to mack on rhaenyra before the scream went off. dude must be pissed that alicent upstaged his entrance and he failed to steal the bride away after her groom's boyfriend was murdered. also, re: daemon's dick problems, forgot to say that "i knew you couldn't finish" was def a double entendre. Good point about the entrances! Daemon must have entered deliberately after the Velaryons to draw all the attention to him and make a big scene, but got upstaged by Alicent. Surprising they didn't show his reaction to having his thunder stolen. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Sept 20, 2022 19:12:42 GMT
I thought the episode felt a bit rushed. I only read Fire & Blood once, but I don't remember ALL of that shit happening back to back. it just felt like a lot. It's definitely paced differently. The Knight of Kisses death was a bit less direct and more of a case of did Cole do it deliberately or not, but here I guess he definitely did it on purpose. Fire and Blood is a historical work though, based on accounts compiled years later. I suppose you could look at it as what was claimed to have happened vs what actually happened. The only thing I don't get is why they had the wedding at the feast, like an hour after a man was killed. |
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Post by Enid on Sept 22, 2022 8:22:13 GMT
it reminded me of cat signaling to robb to carry arya to bed in the winterfell feast, only, y'know very different circumstances of food fight vs. brawl. i bet their only real surprise was daemon not being the one to start shit. altho he was about to mack on rhaenyra before the scream went off. dude must be pissed that alicent upstaged his entrance and he failed to steal the bride away after her groom's boyfriend was murdered. also, re: daemon's dick problems, forgot to say that "i knew you couldn't finish" was def a double entendre. Good point about the entrances! Daemon must have entered deliberately after the Velaryons to draw all the attention to him and make a big scene, but got upstaged by Alicent. Surprising they didn't show his reaction to having his thunder stolen. He is the only one who doesn't stand up when Alicent arrives. Just looks at her like he it's another Thursday and he is not being completely disrespectful to the Queen.
I loved it.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Sept 22, 2022 21:27:38 GMT
I thought the episode felt a bit rushed. I only read Fire & Blood once, but I don't remember ALL of that shit happening back to back. it just felt like a lot. It's definitely paced differently. The Knight of Kisses death was a bit less direct and more of a case of did Cole do it deliberately or not, but here I guess he definitely did it on purpose. Fire and Blood is a historical work though, based on accounts compiled years later. I suppose you could look at it as what was claimed to have happened vs what actually happened. The only thing I don't get is why they had the wedding at the feast, like an hour after a man was killed. the least they could have done was clean up the blood first. i guess nobody was in the mood for seven days of festivities anymore, and maybe viserys just wanted to get rhaenyra locked down after seeing her flirt with daemon again. |
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Post by izzue on Sept 23, 2022 1:30:36 GMT
Viserys figured he'd better do a shotgun wedding, it was all getting away from him 'way too fast. Not a real fan of Viserys thus far, but Paddy killed it in the feast scene. It was like watching a boxer take blow after blow after blow. Then he was finally KO'd after the wedding If Varys was a spider, Larys is a snake. |
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Post by izzue on Sept 24, 2022 16:43:35 GMT
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It really didn't make sense to me that he would want her to run away with him. Especially after we get a scene of them fucking once. Like bitch, being a white knight Paramour is FINE. 
