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Post by Father of Dragons on Mar 9, 2017 18:34:51 GMT
Apparently one of the Sand Snakes is the best part of the show. Go Jessica!! That's ... not very encouraging. Either she's improved a ton from Thrones or the rest of the show is just awful.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 9, 2017 18:48:41 GMT
Apparently one of the Sand Snakes is the best part of the show. Go Jessica!! That's ... not very encouraging. Either she's improved a ton from Thrones or the rest of the show is just awful. yeah, but to be fair, henwick has had a combined total of like six lines on GoT, so i can't really judge her performance.
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Post by Belle on Mar 9, 2017 18:51:54 GMT
i just want to know wtf they were on when they cast finn jones. not only is this casting bad, its also really fucking bizarre.
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Post by Basil on Mar 9, 2017 18:55:55 GMT
i just want to know wtf they were on when they cast finn jones. not only is this casting bad, its also really fucking bizarre. why?
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Mar 9, 2017 19:14:59 GMT
i just want to know wtf they were on when they cast finn jones. not only is this casting bad, its also really fucking bizarre. I've not really heard anyone draw any real significance from the race of Iron Fist prior to this. Why is it such a big deal now? I hate to be that guy, but remember when they cast Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm? Was that wrong? No, it wasn't. Neither is this. Honestly, how many people had even heard of iron fist, drew significance from his race until now? If they felt Finn was the best person to audition for the role, then that's who they should cast. End of story.
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Post by Belle on Mar 9, 2017 19:22:25 GMT
i just want to know wtf they were on when they cast finn jones. not only is this casting bad, its also really fucking bizarre. I've not really heard anyone draw any real significance from the race of Iron Fist prior to this. Why is it such a big deal now? I hate to be that guy, but remember when they cast Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm? Was that wrong? No, it wasn't. Neither is this. Honestly, how many people had even heard of iron fist, drew significance from his race until now? If they felt Finn was the best person to audition for the role, then that's who they should cast. End of story. i don't care about this story. so i don't care that they cast a white guy. i'm just wondering why they cast THIS white guy. finn can't act, has no charisma and is not even that attractive. he was boring and wooden on GOT and doesn't have much star power either. and all the critics seem to be agreeing with me. netflix is usually pretty good when it comes to casting, so i'm just wondering what went wrong here. like from all the people on GOT, you check for finn jones lol?
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Mar 9, 2017 19:30:21 GMT
I've not really heard anyone draw any real significance from the race of Iron Fist prior to this. Why is it such a big deal now? I hate to be that guy, but remember when they cast Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm? Was that wrong? No, it wasn't. Neither is this. Honestly, how many people had even heard of iron fist, drew significance from his race until now? If they felt Finn was the best person to audition for the role, then that's who they should cast. End of story. i don't care about this story. so i don't care that they cast a white guy. i'm just wondering why they cast THIS white guy. finn can't act, has no charisma and is not even that attractive. he was boring and wooden on GOT and doesn't have much star power either. and all the critics seem to be agreeing with me. netflix is usually pretty good when it comes to casting, so i'm just wondering what went wrong here. like from all the people on GOT, you check for finn jones lol? I wouldn't say he can't act and has no charisma. He doesn't really have a name or star power true, but these marvel series haven't really cast major big name stars in the leading roles anyway. Sure his stuff on Thrones was nothing to get excited over, but I wouldn't say it was awful. Besides, we haven't seen his acting in this yet. If the time comes, I may be eating those words, but I'll reserve my judgement until I see the product.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Mar 9, 2017 20:13:22 GMT
I'll judge him on how good or bad his American accent is. Sometimes those can go pretty wrong
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 9, 2017 23:29:19 GMT
i just want to know wtf they were on when they cast finn jones. not only is this casting bad, its also really fucking bizarre. I've not really heard anyone draw any real significance from the race of Iron Fist prior to this. Why is it such a big deal now? I hate to be that guy, but remember when they cast Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm? Was that wrong? No, it wasn't. Neither is this. Honestly, how many people had even heard of iron fist, drew significance from his race until now? If they felt Finn was the best person to audition for the role, then that's who they should cast. End of story. I disagree that casting Iron Fist as a white guy isn't problematic (though I blame Marvel rather than Finn). There is a definite problem there. You can cite maybe a handful of examples of the opposite (Asian or Black actors cast in a role traditionally for a White actor) but the reverse is far more common. It's pretty clear there is a bias and lack of equality of opportunity at work here (by here I mean the entertainment industry in general, rather than Iron Fist specifically). It's all very well to say "I don't say colour I only see people." But you need to look at the bigger picture and reality of the situation, which is that POC do not have the same opportunities and access as white people do. And then when roles come along that are specifically written for them, it again goes to a white actor. (Again, generalities here rather than Iron Fist specific) There certainly was a storm over the casting of Finn Jones as Iron Fist before now because of his race. Kingeomer mentioned his leaving Twitter because of the backlash on the last page (I don't agree with the degree to which he was harassed over this. Or even going after Finn rather than the studio). There was definitely concern over this casting long before these reviews came out though. All of that aside, there is nothing wrong with Finn Jones as an actor. He isn't brilliant, he's average, as many actors are. I wouldn't say he lacks charisma or presence, so I do t take any issue in that respect. From what I've seen he also seems to have put a lot of effort into prepping for this role (bulking up mostly) so good for him. Maybe he was a dud in his acting for this series, I don't know. He was fine in Thrones, even given the terrible writing for Loras' character. But even if he wasn't great in this series doesn't say too much about his overall acting, everyone has bad performances - see Drew Barrymore in Santa Clarita diet for a recent example As to ttractiveness, well it has fuck all to do with casting him. Don't need to be attractive to get parts in TV or film. I mean, personally I think he looks great but it's not important
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 9, 2017 23:34:44 GMT
I'll judge him on how good or bad his American accent is. Sometimes those can go pretty wrong *cough* Sophie Turner *cough*
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Mar 10, 2017 6:51:25 GMT
I've not really heard anyone draw any real significance from the race of Iron Fist prior to this. Why is it such a big deal now? I hate to be that guy, but remember when they cast Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm? Was that wrong? No, it wasn't. Neither is this. Honestly, how many people had even heard of iron fist, drew significance from his race until now? If they felt Finn was the best person to audition for the role, then that's who they should cast. End of story. I disagree that casting Iron Fist as a white guy isn't problematic (though I blame Marvel rather than Finn). There is a definite problem there. You can cite maybe a handful of examples of the opposite (Asian or Black actors cast in a role traditionally for a White actor) but the reverse is far more common. It's pretty clear there is a bias and lack of equality of opportunity at work here (by here I mean the entertainment industry in general, rather than Iron Fist specifically). It's all very well to say "I don't say colour I only see people." But you need to look at the bigger picture and reality of the situation, which is that POC do not have the same opportunities and access as white people do. And then when roles come along that are specifically written for them, it again goes to a white actor. (Again, generalities here rather than Iron Fist specific) There certainly was a storm over the casting of Finn Jones as Iron Fist before now because of his race. Kingeomer mentioned his leaving Twitter because of the backlash on the last page (I don't agree with the degree to which he was harassed over this. Or even going after Finn rather than the studio). There was definitely concern over this casting long before these reviews came out though. All of that aside, there is nothing wrong with Finn Jones as an actor. He isn't brilliant, he's average, as many actors are. I wouldn't say he lacks charisma or presence, so I do t take any issue in that respect. From what I've seen he also seems to have put a lot of effort into prepping for this role (bulking up mostly) so good for him. Maybe he was a dud in his acting for this series, I don't know. He was fine in Thrones, even given the terrible writing for Loras' character. But even if he wasn't great in this series doesn't say too much about his overall acting, everyone has bad performances - see Drew Barrymore in Santa Clarita diet for a recent example As to ttractiveness, well it has fuck all to do with casting him. Don't need to be attractive to get parts in TV or film. I mean, personally I think he looks great but it's not important Then do you not think that the issue goes back to the people at the top? It's more of an issue that there are fewer roles devoted to none white actors, though there are marginally far less roles devoted to Asian Americans than any other US demographic. I think I saw that Steven Heun was the first Asian American on the entertainment weekly cover. There is now a greater theme emerging of black Americans and even Latino actors been given opportunities within Hollywood, though still far behind whites for sure. Asian Americans are often almost completely overlooked most comprehensive race debates in the US, so I see that clearly there is a huge issue underlying here. Despite that, my comment about race never been brought up was in regards the iron Fist comic itself. Prior to the show, I never remember anyone drawing great cultural importance other than the fact he was Asian American. I think filmmakers and the like should always work around gender and ethnicity where possible to allow for the best casting. I'm not going to pretend to be a giant iron Fist fan here, but neither should a lot of the people outraged by this. I don't agree with then recasting characters races, no. I think it is untrue in a sense to the original content. There is a theme in Iron First that is based around Asian culture, so an Asian actor probably should have been playing him, but at the same time, if the case is he was the best actor they had available which i may doubt but still, he was the person went with. I think the fact is there is no happy median here. I can sit here and say that it's based on talent, but the fact is that race will always come into play, because Hollywood is built around the idea of demographics. People will watch certain things if the actor is a certain ethnicity. There is certainly some truth to that in the fact people gravitate toward people who look like them and as white people are the major demographic, Hollywood caters mainly to whites, but at the same time, we're talking about a Netflix series which will be viewed based in the success of its predecessors and it's relation to marvel.
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Post by kingeomer on Mar 10, 2017 13:46:05 GMT
Iron Fist, in the comics, is a blonde white man. Of course Iron Fist debuted as a comic in 70's (?)and it is steeped in Asian culture...so casting Finn (looks alone, not acting ability) is correct for the comic look of the character but if what the reviewers are saying is true-that his character is basically telling the Asian character (Jessica Henwick's character) about Asian culture, it comes off tone deaf and exactly what people were complaining about when Iron Fist was announced as a show and before Finn was cast. Again, that's not Finn's fault. He's an actor who tried out for a show, what could be a break through role, and took the role. The issue and concerns should be directed at Marvel, not him. Fine if they want to keep the character the race he is in the comics, but they could have written the origin story for the show to be more sensitive to how they would handle the Asian culture aspect of it. All of that falls at the feet of Marvel.
Iron Fist could have been a good opportunity for an Asian superhero but you can't say they are whitewashing the character when the character is white in the first place.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 17, 2017 22:04:59 GMT
Started watching episode one. It was, erm, not good. Haven't finished it yet, I got bored and watched Legion instead. I'll return to it later. Probably. If it doesn't improve much over the next few episodes I might just give it a miss and read a wiki summary of what happens before The Defenders is released.
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Post by Basil on Mar 17, 2017 22:12:51 GMT
I watched the entire first episode and thought it was ... okay?
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Post by Basil on Mar 18, 2017 1:27:19 GMT
Four episodes in, still not hating it. You know what, I actually kind of love it. I honestly don't understand where all the crushing reviews are coming from. Don't get me wrong, it's not great, but it's still slightly above average in my opinion. It's kind of hammy, sure, and the characters are inconsistent, but Danny is an extremely likeable protagonist (Finn Jones is fantastic) and Joy and Ward are pretty interesting characters as well. It also has a genuine humour to it, especially in some of Danny's interactions with other people. Definitely the weakest of the Netflix Marvel shows, though, by far. But I don't think it's nowhere near as bad as reviewers make it out to be.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Mar 18, 2017 1:42:27 GMT
Assortment of thoughts from the first episode: That hour was way too fucking long. About 40 minutes was spent with Danny either wandering about or saying "we need to talk". And any time they needed to show a character walking was dragged out so long. Danny is so boring. And Jessica Henwick's character. I think the thing is that the protagonists of the other series had some kind of motivation or personality established in the first episode. By the end of the first episode, I cared about Matt, Karen, Jessica, Luke, Pop, Misty. I don't care about Danny because I know nothing about him! It's all kept in mystery - which can definitely be good and can work well, but only on better shows. And it's not just Danny - did the homeless guy die at the end? Was I supposed to feel bad for him? Because the way that was executed was very awkward. Villains? .. Not enough of them to make a real judgement yet. But so far not impressed Finn Jones's American accent: I absolutely hate that opening theme. Zero personality (like the rest of the show). The other three shows' themes were great and I still listen to the Luke Cage one occasionally. Best actor/part of the show was Joy. More Joy please. Otherwise I cannot be bothered to watch any more.
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Post by lordcarson on Mar 18, 2017 1:44:59 GMT
oh i guess this is the place to post my review
first episode: 0/10 will not continue
i also have not seen daredevil, jessica jones, or the other one so my opinion means nothing
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Post by Basil on Mar 18, 2017 1:53:51 GMT
I would probably give this like ... 5 or 6 out of 10. Maybe. I don't know. I won't defend it because it's not great, but I would reserve my zero out of tens for like actual garbage, which this is not. It's just super underwhelming to me, considering how great the other Marvel shows were, but I honestly don't think it's bad.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 18, 2017 2:47:13 GMT
Ouch.
I just started Luke Cage with the intention of going right into Iron Fist, but now I may not even bother.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Mar 18, 2017 10:31:35 GMT
oh i guess this is the place to post my review first episode: 0/10 will not continue i also have not seen daredevil, jessica jones, or the other one so my opinion means nothing Shocked that 1) You haven't seen Daredevil 2) You haven't seen Jessica Jones 3) You haven't seen Luke Cage 4) YOU DONT KNOW IT'S CALLED LUKE CAGE
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