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Post by Father of Dragons on Mar 18, 2017 10:35:21 GMT
I would probably give this like ... 5 or 6 out of 10. Maybe. I don't know. I won't defend it because it's not great, but I would reserve my zero out of tens for like actual garbage, which this is not. It's just super underwhelming to me, considering how great the other Marvel shows were, but I honestly don't think it's bad. Yeah, I mean I've only seen one episode and it wasn't a 0. I'm not sure how I'll feel about the rest. I'll let you watch more and see if you think it gets better by the end so it's worth watching (assuming you do keep watching) Ouch. I just started Luke Cage with the intention of going right into Iron Fist, but now I may not even bother. Luke Cage is pretty good. Not as good as Daredevil or Jessica Jones but good enough. Better than (the first episode of) Iron Fist anyway. From what I've seen opinion is pretty divided though. You either think the first half is good and it falls apart in the second, or vice versa. I'd be interested to know what you think of it.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 18, 2017 12:49:12 GMT
I watched the rest of episode one and some of episode two. I. Still not sold. I agree with Basil that it's not as bad as the reviewers made it out to. It's just...I dunno, boring. I find I can't watch the full episode before I'm checking my phone or looking for something else to do.
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Post by Enid on Mar 18, 2017 13:05:47 GMT
Yeah, the show is not great, but is not terrible either. I've seen a couple episodes and just average and kind of boring, I feel like I've watched like 5 episodes instead of just 2.
IMO the main problem is that they did a very poor job introducing the characters and the story. The first thing you see is Dany trying to prove he is not actually dead and the whole corporate conspiracy gets too much focus too soon. I'm no writer, but a better option would have been to give us more time to get to know Dany before starting with any of that. IDK, show him trying to reach the USA so he can reclaim his identity during the first episode and how he tries to adjust after being away for so long before having getting into the main storyline.
And the fighting sequences so far have been underwhelming, which is a shame because this is supposed to be martial arts. The fight scenes in Daredevil are good, but in this show they're "meh". Maybe they'll get better later, maybe they could used a slightly faster editing.
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Post by lordcarson on Mar 18, 2017 16:12:37 GMT
oh i guess this is the place to post my review first episode: 0/10 will not continue i also have not seen daredevil, jessica jones, or the other one so my opinion means nothing Shocked that 1) You haven't seen Daredevil 2) You haven't seen Jessica Jones 3) You haven't seen Luke Cage 4) YOU DONT KNOW IT'S CALLED LUKE CAGE
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 18, 2017 19:44:19 GMT
Yeah, the show is not great, but is not terrible either. I've seen a couple episodes and just average and kind of boring, I feel like I've watched like 5 episodes instead of just 2. IMO the main problem is that they did a very poor job introducing the characters and the story. The first thing you see is Dany trying to prove he is not actually dead and the whole corporate conspiracy gets too much focus too soon. I'm no writer, but a better option would have been to give us more time to get to know Dany before starting with any of that. IDK, show him trying to reach the USA so he can reclaim his identity during the first episode and how he tries to adjust after being away for so long before having getting into the main storyline. And the fighting sequences so far have been underwhelming, which is a shame because this is supposed to be martial arts. The fight scenes in Daredevil are good, but in this show they're "meh". Maybe they'll get better later, maybe they could used a slightly faster editing. Daredevil Season 2 had my favourite fight scenes of the Marvel Netflix shows so far. I think it was the fight int he apartment block that was really standout. It's disappointing that a show that should be heavily focused on martial arts pales in comparison to other shows it shares the universe with
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Post by DaveyJoe on Mar 19, 2017 23:56:55 GMT
Damn, the critics hate Iron Fist.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 20, 2017 0:03:53 GMT
i feel bad for finn jones. apparently he's getting like harassed on twitter. he didn't write the fucking show. poor guy
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Post by DaveyJoe on Mar 20, 2017 0:06:04 GMT
i feel bad for finn jones. apparently he's getting like harassed on twitter. he didn't write the fucking show. poor guy Comic fans are the worst, God forbid their precious Iron Fist isn't up to par. Fucking picture books.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 20, 2017 0:09:55 GMT
i feel bad for finn jones. apparently he's getting like harassed on twitter. he didn't write the fucking show. poor guy Comic fans are the worst, God forbid their precious Iron Fist isn't up to par. Fucking picture books. i know, they're fucking brutal.
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Post by Basil on Mar 20, 2017 0:16:15 GMT
There is so much worse shit on television and Netflix. Iron Fist is a mediocre show, it's not terrible ... those reviews are fucking ridiculous. A stupid TV show about a dude with a glowing fist punching stuff didn't turn out brilliant? Let's crucify the actor who played him! Jesus fuck.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Mar 20, 2017 0:20:39 GMT
Marvel is saturating the market so when they fuck up the critics are going to be harsh about it. It's one thing to review a mediocre action show, it's something else to review your fifth Marvel show in two years and this one is a real chore to get through.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 20, 2017 0:22:02 GMT
There is so much worse shit on television and Netflix. Iron Fist is a mediocre show, it's not terrible ... those reviews are fucking ridiculous. A stupid TV show about a dude with a glowing fist punching stuff didn't turn out brilliant? Let's crucify the actor who played him! Jesus fuck. i know, it's ridiculous there's just something about the comics/fandom genre that makes people place IMPOSSIBLY high standards on it, and I do not understand it. By nature, comics and fantasy are light and fun and, at their core, silly. So when i see these critics and the people who jump on their bandwagon just destroying these movies and shows about men who dress up like bats, ninjas with glowing fists, and girls who ride dragons, I just scratch my head. I just wanna tell them to get the fuck over it. sorry for the rant lol
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 20, 2017 0:24:36 GMT
I don't mind the critics being harsh it's just when people harass the actors about it. I'm part way through episode three and I have to agree Jones isn't great, and is certainly the weakest Defender yet in terms of his performance. But don't harass him over it, he can surely see the reviews himself. (I'm just assuming this is what he is getting harassed over btw, from MadQueen's post. I haven't looked at his twitter and don't really want to)
edit: and as I said earlier I also think jones is the wrong one to pester if the problem people have is the Asian thing. Go pester Marvel about that
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Post by kingeomer on Mar 20, 2017 12:42:31 GMT
i feel bad for finn jones. apparently he's getting like harassed on twitter. he didn't write the fucking show. poor guy You know what? A friend of mine has met Finn Jones at a couple of conventions and says he is the NICEST guy. I feel bad he is getting harassed on twitter about how Iron Fist is doing and being cast in Iron Fist. Harass MARVEL over this. Not Finn. I will be watching Iron Fist, probably will start this week sometime.
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Post by Enid on Mar 20, 2017 18:21:42 GMT
I understand people being upset because Marvel casted a white guy in a martial arts show that could have had an asian lead. Marvel was already in hot water for Doctor Strange where they casted a white woman for a role that was asian in the comics. Iron Fist was a chance to redeem themselves and give asian minorities a show they could relate to, like Jessica Jones did for women and Luke Cage for black people. Instead they went for a watered-down Daredevil.
But Finn Jones is not to blame for this. He was offered the role and took it, and even if he had turned it down because he felt the character should be played by an asian-american actor, the truth is, Marvel would have just offered the job to another white guy, because the powers at Marvel decided to keep Danny Rand as a white man.
All the harassment and anger should be directed to the producers and the people who make the actual choices, not to the actors.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 20, 2017 21:05:46 GMT
Agree with the above posters. Here is a good interview (which has a spoiler for episode 8) about how Lewis Tan auditioned for Rand. Marvel didn't give reasons for saying no, but the option was obviously there for them. www.vulture.com/2017/03/lewis-tan-marvel-iron-fist-interview.htmlYou could argue Finn had a better audition, and that's a possibility (though based on Jones' performance...I'm a little sceptical). But the way Tan describes it seems like Marvel didn't want the style of show which would have come from casting an Asian American (and yes, I do agree the plot would have needed to change, but that could only help what is a fairly dull show ATM)
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Post by kingeomer on Mar 22, 2017 10:59:19 GMT
Watched the first episode of Iron Fist last night.
It's ok. Not bad but not great either.
I'm going to see if I can get through the full season (I hate starting something and not finishing it) and I'll come back with my thoughts.
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Mar 22, 2017 21:34:33 GMT
Iron Fist was no where near the abomination critics made it out to be. Probably a 6, maybe a 7 if it picks up as the series goes on, which I'm uncertain about. That said I've only saw the first 3 episodes so I can't say too much.
When you remove the controversy about them decided to keep Danny as a white guy it was an okay show. There's nothing special about it in terms of the fight scenes or the general story. That said I don't remotely feel that it's unwatchable. I'm actually somewhat enjoying the fact that it's not as bad as I thought it would be. Jones' acting isn't bad. His martial arts/action scenes are very meh though, that is one the things that really hurts the show imo. The Meachums are good, particularly Harold, I enjoy Colleen and I like where the thing with the Hand is going. All in all the direction is very clear and I have no illusions that we will see any sort of big shock as the series progresses. I got a couple of laughs out of the first few episodes but it certainly plods along at a slow pace but it seems to now be moving somewhere. It's a way to close the set up for the defenders which will hopefully be far better.
This aside, when you compare the fan ratings to the critics ratings, it's clear there was an obvious attempt by critics to trash the show before it even debuted. It has an 18% critic review to an 84% fan review on rotten tomatoes. That's infuriatingly bad reviewing from one side or the other and a large part of what is truly ruining media as a whole. People really need to watch it and make up their own minds rather than listening to what anyone on the internet is telling you to think.
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Post by needle on Mar 23, 2017 2:00:15 GMT
I was kind of put off by the critics reactions to be honest. But the more I read about it the more I come back to my initial assessment of the show (based on the trailer and my faint knowledge of the comics): it will be the weakest of the defenders. A guy with a glowing hand that happens to be the best of ninjas or whatever will look incredibly, I do not like this word but ok, silly, in contrast with the other three main characters. Season 2 of Daredevil wandered a bit into the mystical world but in the end it always came back to the fact that he is human and his troubles come more from the issues that he has with himself and his relationships than with the unnamed guys wearing a tight costume. Iron Fist has a much more difficult job to ground Dany because his story is since its begining very outlandish. Anyway, but people who harass actors online because they are not performing their viersion of how "it was supposed to be" are, I don't know, scary? I feel truly ashamed for these people.
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Post by kingeomer on Mar 23, 2017 10:35:48 GMT
I will add that Finn Jones has said in interviews that he was given the fight scenes 15 minutes before filming and had that much time to rehearse them.
That is probably why the fight scenes are lackluster.
Harold Meachum is played by David Wenham, LOTR fans may remember him as Faramir.
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