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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 19:08:12 GMT
Yeah, you can see her pain in the eyes, but she won't cry. Then she evolves into Lady Stoneheart.  It would be extremely amusing if nothing happens to Sansa after all and the traumatic thing is Ramsay verbally bullying Sansa. Then we'll just look at our speculation.. "Sansa is going to be brutally raped and Theon will "prepare" her, it's going to be awful." I don't think I could take that kind of hyperbole with GoT. I already barely put up with it in TWD. What a great conversation and I appreciate being able to discuss it without anyone from the general population wishing a rape on anyone, fictional or not. Actors doing a rape scene has to be exceptionally difficult for them. Sex scenes are bad enough but add the emotional weight of rape and it's not something most actors are willing to do. I quoted you day dreamer because it's a theory I've mentioned in other threads. I try to caution myself about putting too much weight into actor's warnings about the drama to come in a season because as we know, several actors from TWD did exactly that and I went into the ending thinking we were going to lose a major character for sure - but then there wasn't and that was a huge relief but at the same time a "wtf" about all those dire predictions from some of the actors! In the case of GoT actor interviews however, there are a lot more of them, a lot more detailed, and a lot more ominous so it does indeed (especially Iwan's interview) look like they might be going through with some pretty horrific stuff from that scene. I am just hoping they change it enough it doesn't mean permanent physical or psychological trauma for Sansa the way Theon has endured. I honestly don't think they will take her there. The fact they've swapped her out for Jeyne Poole is pretty huge and pretty shocking so I'm going to say this is all part of a huge build up to get everyone going crazy and on the edge of their seats for something they think is Red Wedding type material ... and hopefully be merciful to us and not go there. So yes, I foresee a drinking party in order for this one.  |
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Post by morgantayler on Apr 23, 2015 19:16:14 GMT
I hope so, but I don't think so. Remember, Iwan said he really did not want to do the scene--I don't think verbal abuse qualifies, alas. He can still mean Myranda, I guess Yeah, based on the wording from that interview, I still think it's possible the horrible thing could be happening to Myranda. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 19:19:32 GMT
Wait a second, Sansa is relatively safe atm? Could Ramsay actually be nice, if Roose commands it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 19:23:49 GMT
Wait a second, Sansa is relatively safe atm? Could Ramsay actually be nice, if Roose commands it? Maybe, but Roose doesn't care about Ramsay's behauvior towards fArya in ADwD. I don't think he (Roose) will let LF back to Winterfell after he has left. He has more men than Vale and there is no reason for him to be polite towards Sansa. BTW, it never occurred to me why Roose didn't side with Stannis. Stannis would execute Ramsay, but Roose would be happy for it and I think if Mannis doesn't know about raping and flaying, he would welcome a man who killed Robb, no matter if he broke an oath. To me, Roose seemed to be an opportunist, so why not side with Stannis and then after Ramsay's death, avenge Robb against Freys. IIRC Roose stabbing Robb isn't common knowledge. Just the Freys' part. |
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 23, 2015 20:02:31 GMT
Again, Mike McHat said that the Boltons will be doing some terrible stuff to some lovely people, so it can't be Myranda, as his quote implies the victim is sympathetic. I don't think Iwan would be so disgusted if the victim were a quasi-villain like Myranda, either. I'm nto sure what exactly they'll do to her, but Sansa is definitely going to suffer some kind of abuse, that I'm certain of.
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Post by morgantayler on Apr 23, 2015 20:14:12 GMT
Again, Mike McHat said that the Boltons will be doing some terrible stuff to some lovely people, so it can't be Myranda, as his quote implies the victim is sympathetic. I don't think Iwan would be so disgusted if the victim were a quasi-villain like Myranda, either. I'm nto sure what exactly they'll do to her, but Sansa is definitely going to suffer some kind of abuse, that I'm certain of. It's possible he may have been referring to the actual actors and not the characters when he said lovely people. Especially since Iwan said he almost didn't want to act out whatever he does and he had to remind himself it was not real. |
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 24, 2015 12:52:54 GMT
Wait a second, Sansa is relatively safe atm? Could Ramsay actually be nice, if Roose commands it? Maybe, but Roose doesn't care about Ramsay's behauvior towards fArya in ADwD. I don't think he (Roose) will let LF back to Winterfell after he has left. He has more men than Vale and there is no reason for him to be polite towards Sansa. BTW, it never occurred to me why Roose didn't side with Stannis. Stannis would execute Ramsay, but Roose would be happy for it and I think if Mannis doesn't know about raping and flaying, he would welcome a man who killed Robb, no matter if he broke an oath. To me, Roose seemed to be an opportunist, so why not side with Stannis and then after Ramsay's death, avenge Robb against Freys. IIRC Roose stabbing Robb isn't common knowledge. Just the Freys' part. That's an interesting thought of Roose trying to side with Stannis. I don't think Stannis is the most morally sound guy in ASOIAF but even he might be like "Nahh Roose, I'm just going to kill you. You're fucked up." |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 15:08:21 GMT
Maybe, but Roose doesn't care about Ramsay's behauvior towards fArya in ADwD. I don't think he (Roose) will let LF back to Winterfell after he has left. He has more men than Vale and there is no reason for him to be polite towards Sansa. BTW, it never occurred to me why Roose didn't side with Stannis. Stannis would execute Ramsay, but Roose would be happy for it and I think if Mannis doesn't know about raping and flaying, he would welcome a man who killed Robb, no matter if he broke an oath. To me, Roose seemed to be an opportunist, so why not side with Stannis and then after Ramsay's death, avenge Robb against Freys. IIRC Roose stabbing Robb isn't common knowledge. Just the Freys' part. That's an interesting thought of Roose trying to side with Stannis. I don't think Stannis is the most morally sound guy in ASOIAF but even he might be like "Nahh Roose, I'm just going to kill you. You're fucked up." How would he know that Roose is fucked up? His custom of the first night is not common knowledge in the South nor in the North, flaying is only rumoured, but every house has it's rumours. In ADwD I think Jon thinks to himself that only reason Ned didn't trust Roose was because of his eyes. Skinchanging Other creature confirmed. |
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 24, 2015 15:17:35 GMT
That's an interesting thought of Roose trying to side with Stannis. I don't think Stannis is the most morally sound guy in ASOIAF but even he might be like "Nahh Roose, I'm just going to kill you. You're fucked up." How would he know that Roose is fucked up? His custom of the first night is not common knowledge in the South nor in the North, flaying is only rumoured, but every house has it's rumours. In ADwD I think Jon thinks to himself that only reason Ned didn't trust Roose was because of his eyes. Skinchanging Other creature confirmed. That's true, but participating in killing someone after they had guest rights? Could Stannis forgive that? I thought Bolton stabbing Roose was common knowledge? I could be wrong though. I don't know, it's still a good point why Roose wouldn't want to side with Stannis. Especially after Tywin died, but maybe Stannis wouldn't trust him for jumping around to different kings so easily? I have nothing |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 15:22:42 GMT
^ When Stannis offered Winterfell to Jon, he specifically identified Roose as the man who stabbed Robb, so, both Stannis and Jon are well aware of that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 16:15:56 GMT
^ When Stannis offered Winterfell to Jon, he specifically identified Roose as the man who stabbed Robb, so, both Stannis and Jon are well aware of that. In the show. Not in the book, if my memory serves me right. I don't think Bolton's part is known in the books. Also Roose didn't break guest rights. The Freys did. Roose only broke his oath to his king and liege. Of course everyone suspects something on Roose's part in the books, after all he was given the Wardenship of the North, but I don't think him stabbing Robb is common knowledge. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Apr 26, 2015 6:20:13 GMT
^ When Stannis offered Winterfell to Jon, he specifically identified Roose as the man who stabbed Robb, so, both Stannis and Jon are well aware of that. In the show. Not in the book, if my memory serves me right. I don't think Bolton's part is known in the books. Also Roose didn't break guest rights. The Freys did. Roose only broke his oath to his king and liege. Of course everyone suspects something on Roose's part in the books, after all he was given the Wardenship of the North, but I don't think him stabbing Robb is common knowledge. The only possible book witness would be Stoneheart, since I'm pretty sure every other non-Frey in the room would be dead dead, not undead. The survivors, like the Greatjon, were those who left the room for the bedding. Tv Roose must be actually telling people he killed Robb or else letting Ramsay brag about it to more than just Reek, which is a weird choice, but then it's not like his secrecy helped him much in the book. Anyway, I think Alfie is def referring to Sansa as the character Ramsay enjoys tormenting, Myranda wouldn't really count as a "new plaything". The zap2it person probably has a reason to think the main character they both were excited to get to work with is the one being tormented, unless Alfie wasn't being clear he was bringing up a different character. And if they consummate the marriage, it'd just be ooc for Ramsay not to torment his bride. |
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 26, 2015 6:37:40 GMT
In the show. Not in the book, if my memory serves me right. I don't think Bolton's part is known in the books. Also Roose didn't break guest rights. The Freys did. Roose only broke his oath to his king and liege. Of course everyone suspects something on Roose's part in the books, after all he was given the Wardenship of the North, but I don't think him stabbing Robb is common knowledge. The only possible book witness would be Stoneheart, since I'm pretty sure every other non-Frey in the room would be dead dead, not undead. The survivors, like the Greatjon, were those who left the room for the bedding. Tv Roose must be actually telling people he killed Robb or else letting Ramsay brag about it to more than just Reek, which is a weird choice, but then it's not like his secrecy helped him much in the book. Anyway, I think Alfie is def referring to Sansa as the character Ramsay enjoys tormenting, Myranda wouldn't really count as a "new plaything". The zap2it person probably has a reason to think the main character they both were excited to get to work with is the one being tormented, unless Alfie wasn't being clear he was bringing up a different character. And if they consummate the marriage, it'd just be ooc for Ramsay not to torment his bride. There were many Freys in the room when Roose killed Robb, both in the show and in the book. I wonder how that isn't common knowledge in the books when there were so many witnesses. Word gets around, and soldiers, especially drunken soldiers, love to gossip and brag, like the Freys Arya and Sandor killed in episode 310. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Apr 26, 2015 6:59:32 GMT
True, drunken Frey men-at-arms work for the show, but I think the Freys in the book had good reason not to reveal who killed who. From what I remember of Merrett's pov, the red wedding was plotted out by Roose and the Freys with everyone having an assigned part to play, I imagine Roose would want things to still be hush-hush after the plan went into action so he could still have plausible deniability. I thought the mooks killed in the s3 finale were just random Frey soldiers, not actual Freys, and it's not clear there was anyone like that inside the main wedding reception in the book, I don't think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 9:14:14 GMT
But in the books, the Northern lords just knew that Roose had a part to play in the Red wedding.
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Post by kingeomer on Apr 26, 2015 14:23:31 GMT
But in the books, the Northern lords just knew that Roose had a part to play in the Red wedding. I am pretty sure in the books no one knows outside of the surviving Frey's, Lady Stoneheart, and possibly the Greatjon (who was taken prisoner--I can't remember if he was there until the end--- and presumably still is in imprisoned in the books) that Roose stabbed Robb in the heart. But the Northern Lords know Roose had a part to play since he was made Warden of the North, given Winterfell and his bastard legitimized. And the Frey's are trying to pass the story that Robb and his army turned into wolves and attacked first, which even Davos saw through as a bunch of lies. In the show Roose obviously told Ramsey and was okay with Ramsey telling Theon. And Stannis has found out, so it seems Roose's actual role has been revealed throughout the seven kingdoms in the show. Which is why this upcoming Sansa storyline just does not make sense to me in any way other than for the show to be shocking. We know from previews (I have not watched the leaked episodes) that Littlefinger encourages her to get revenge but is she supposed to take Ramsey's abuse until the time is right to strike? |
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Post by modestylannister on May 12, 2015 22:52:40 GMT
I believe he will flay Brienne or even eat her face. Remember that Jaime saved Brienne from Locke and the bear. Locke and Ramsey were buddies. Locke must have told him all the details about how Brienne escaped. So, Dumb&Dumber will think this is reason enough for Ramsey to show us his full torture porn potential. I do not think he will torture or rape Sansa. That would be just too risky and may kill the show. But, what is dead may never die.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 11:03:29 GMT
I believe he will flay Brienne or even eat her face. Remember that Jaime saved Brienne from Locke and the bear. Locke and Ramsey were buddies. Locke must have told him all the details about how Brienne escaped. So, Dumb&Dumber will think this is reason enough for Ramsey to show us his full torture porn potential. I do not think he will torture or rape Sansa. That would be just too risky and may kill the show. But, what is dead may never die. The fuck? |
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Post by Admin on May 13, 2015 12:02:24 GMT
I believe he will flay Brienne or even eat her face. Remember that Jaime saved Brienne from Locke and the bear. Locke and Ramsey were buddies. Locke must have told him all the details about how Brienne escaped. So, Dumb&Dumber will think this is reason enough for Ramsey to show us his full torture porn potential. I do not think he will torture or rape Sansa. That would be just too risky and may kill the show. But, what is dead may never die. The fuck? Well the show has a way of getting the result but changing how the result was obtained. So they could have Ramsay do what that guy who bit her did, but I don't think they'll do that mainly because whenever they can simplify or avoid facial scars that would require make up, they choose that road |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 13:55:17 GMT
Well the show has a way of getting the result but changing how the result was obtained. So they could have Ramsay do what that guy who bit her did, but I don't think they'll do that mainly because whenever they can simplify or avoid facial scars that would require make up, they choose that road Oh I forgot she was bitten in the books  Although I just assumed the show had transplanted that wound from Brienne to the Hound. |
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Although I just assumed the show had transplanted that wound from Brienne to the Hound.