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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 14:05:47 GMT
So, I was watching the inside the episode and apparently the Three-eyed Raven is a position not a person. So, now a part of this magical position is now part of Bran, I wonder then if in the future we will see Bran training the next 3ER. Also, with Bloodraven being a Valyrian and Bran being a Stark, does the position go from Fire to Ice? That would be cool but perhaps it's more likely tat because Bloodraven was also a Blackwood, it's all Ice. Also, D&D mentioned that the only children Dany will have are the dragons, is this confirmation that she'll never have any real children. That makes me sad because the quickening of her wound in ADWD gave me the impression that she might indeed have a living child in the end. As sad as it would be for Dany to never be able to have her own children, I would be somewhat relived that her story wouldn't end with death in childbirth. It would just be so anticlimatic imo, and not how I want to see her go out if she does die.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 14:07:41 GMT
Dany is most likely dying while fighting the WW.
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Post by kingeomer on May 30, 2016 14:10:51 GMT
So, I was watching the inside the episode and apparently the Three-eyed Raven is a position not a person. So, now a part of this magical position is now part of Bran, I wonder then if in the future we will see Bran training the next 3ER. Also, with Bloodraven being a Valyrian and Bran being a Stark, does the position go from Fire to Ice? That would be cool but perhaps it's more likely tat because Bloodraven was also a Blackwood, it's all Ice. Also, D&D mentioned that the only children Dany will have are the dragons, is this confirmation that she'll never have any real children. That makes me sad because the quickening of her wound in ADWD gave me the impression that she might indeed have a living child in the end. I'm glad D&D confirmed this about Dany. I feel like it's right that her children should be her dragons. I wonder if we will find out who the next TER will be. A child of a Stark (say Sansa's, Arya's, Jon's)? Dany is most likely dying while fighting the WW. I kind of get this feeling about her in the books, that she will die to save Westeros. I don't know that the show will do this though. Either the show is building her up to be the most tragic death (it will top Hodor's in terms of saving others) of them all near the end, or she's sitting on some version of the Iron Throne at the end.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 14:12:24 GMT
Dany is most likely dying while fighting the WW. Yep, unfortunately. And that's why it doesn't matter that she's a conqueror and not a ruler. She was born to save the world, not rule it. I've been saying for a while, and I feel very strongly that Dany and Jon will unite, perhaps as family only, perhaps as lovers and defeat the White Walkers together. They'll have the help of Sam, Bran, Tyrion, Brienne, Tormund, and perhaps others. And they'll die together, doing so. Tyrion will be king at the end.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 14:15:19 GMT
I really don't think she's destined to rule. She doesn't even really want that deep down. She just feels she has a duty to take back her families throne. Daario's line about not being made to sit in a chair was pretty telling imo.
I agree with Roose, my feeling is she dies towards the end in the war for dawn. Jon will probably be king in the end.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 14:17:18 GMT
I don't think Jon will die a second time. And for as much as people love to talk about GRRM breaking tropes, hidden bastard with royal blood becomes king is extremely common in fantasy.
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 30, 2016 14:21:07 GMT
Cersei has been politically hobbled. The Queen of Thornes spelled out her sad reality last week. The entirety of the capital lost respect for her after the walk of shame. She really doesn't have many moves she can play right now. She's relying on the UnGregor to destroy her enemies, but until that happens she can't overextend herself, and she's smart enough to know that. That's why I'm more excited than ever about Cersei's story, it's the first year she's had to be cautious, and when this girl is playing her moves carefully, damn she can be dangerous. Yeah i know you're 100% correct but I'm just impatient It looks like things will pick up next week after her face off with Olenna Tyrell.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 14:32:34 GMT
I think Jon's destiny is to become a Night's King. That will be his ultimate sacrife, the only way to stop the WW.
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Post by Belle on May 30, 2016 14:34:24 GMT
The Good
-I think Arya's and Bran's scenes in this episode were very good. Both Maisie and Essie Davis killed it and I'm shipping Bran/Meera so hard lol.
-I fistpumped the air when Arya got Needle out too. I cannot wait to see her kill that bitch Waif with it.
-Loved seeing Benjen back. wish the episode had ended with Bran and Benjen to emphasize his return more.
The Meh
-Sam/Gilly: snoozefest
-Jaime/Cersei scene: terrible dialogue and background music. I dislike that Jaime/Cersei are still a power couple, but this scene wouldn't have been too bad if the dialogue was better. Lena's acting was ON POINT tho and the actually had a lot of chemistry when they made out so it makes the "meh" instead of bad.
-The Twins: i was hoping for a better reintroduction. idk it just kind of fell flat to me.
The Bad:
-Dany's scene: I liked Dany's scenes in episodes 4 and 5 but this was pretty bad imo. The way Drogon showed up was anticlimactic and Emilia's acting was pretty awful and cringeworthy imo. It also felt completely out of place in the episode. Was an almost unwatchable scene for me.
-Tommen/Margaery/Faith Militant: WAY TOO rushed. i find it unbelievable that the Tommen who told Cersei the High Sparrow's "secret" in episode 4 would just turn into a completely brainwashed fanatic to the point where the would dismiss Jaime from the Kingsguard for going against the High Sparrow like a little shit.
-I'm sorry but Margaery is a complete and utter fucking dumbass. This would be OK except I think the show wants me to think of her as intelligent. But she's making the same exact mistake as Cersei in season 5 and is dragging along Tommen with her. She's checkmated both herself and Tommen imo. She sucks.
worst episode of the season for sure. hopefully next episode will be better.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 30, 2016 14:46:29 GMT
The Bad:-Dany's scene: I liked Dany's scenes in episodes 4 and 5 but this was pretty bad imo. The way Drogon showed up was anticlimactic and Emilia's acting was pretty awful and cringeworthy imo. It also felt completely out of place in the episode. Was an almost unwatchable scene for me. -Tommen/Margaery/Faith Militant: WAY TOO rushed. i find it unbelievable that the Tommen who told Cersei the High Sparrow's "secret" in episode 4 would just turn into a completely brainwashed fanatic to the point where the would dismiss Jaime from the Kingsguard for going against the High Sparrow like a little shit. - I'm sorry but Margaery is a complete and utter fucking dumbass. This would be OK except I think the show wants me to think of her as intelligent. But she's making the same exact mistake as Cersei in season 5 and is dragging along Tommen with her. She's checkmated both herself and Tommen imo. She sucks.worst episode of the season for sure. hopefully next episode will be better. Well Margaery seems to be doing a lot better than Cersei was last season, considering she didn't have to do a walk. She's much better at playing the High Sparrow than Cersei was too.
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Post by King Tommen on May 30, 2016 15:10:05 GMT
Yeah, Margaery's resigned little look when she saw the Tyrell army show up (a clear "you're ruining my shit, guys. Just let me do my thing here") as well as her tiny smirk through the whole proceedings is a good indication she knows what she's doing.
She can control Tommen, she needs to regain her power and then make her move on the Sparrow and the HS has no real idea just how good at playing the game she is.
Unfortunately for her, all of her plans are probably going to not come to fruition because Cersei's going to press the nuclear option. Oh well. Margaery kicks ass. I hope she dies with a smirk on her face like a boss.
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Post by King Tommen on May 30, 2016 15:15:14 GMT
Kevan continued his ongoing streak of appearing in episodes just to look annoyed and upset that he even has to be in King's Landing at all. At least he didn't storm out though, you can only use that go-to move so many times before it loses its impact.
I hope that when he dies, it's while he's in the process of trying to storm out of a room.
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Post by Belle on May 30, 2016 15:17:24 GMT
The Bad:-Dany's scene: I liked Dany's scenes in episodes 4 and 5 but this was pretty bad imo. The way Drogon showed up was anticlimactic and Emilia's acting was pretty awful and cringeworthy imo. It also felt completely out of place in the episode. Was an almost unwatchable scene for me. -Tommen/Margaery/Faith Militant: WAY TOO rushed. i find it unbelievable that the Tommen who told Cersei the High Sparrow's "secret" in episode 4 would just turn into a completely brainwashed fanatic to the point where the would dismiss Jaime from the Kingsguard for going against the High Sparrow like a little shit. - I'm sorry but Margaery is a complete and utter fucking dumbass. This would be OK except I think the show wants me to think of her as intelligent. But she's making the same exact mistake as Cersei in season 5 and is dragging along Tommen with her. She's checkmated both herself and Tommen imo. She sucks.worst episode of the season for sure. hopefully next episode will be better. Well Margaery seems to be doing a lot better than Cersei was last season, considering she didn't have to do a walk. She's much better at playing the High Sparrow than Cersei was too. This is only episode 6. Let's wait and see . Also margaery wouldn't have had to do the walk regardless since she had an army for her. And honestly even doing the walk would have been better than repaying cersei's season 5 IMO. Margaery is a dumbass and is toast IMO
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 15:20:53 GMT
Yeah, Margaery's resigned little look when she saw the Tyrell army show up (a clear "you're ruining my shit, guys. Just let me do my thing here") as well as her tiny smirk through the whole proceedings is a good indication she knows what she's doing. She can control Tommen, she needs to regain her power and then make her move on the Sparrow and the HS has no real idea just how good at playing the game she is. Unfortunately for her, all of her plans are probably going to not come to fruition because Cersei's going to press the nuclear option. Oh well. Margaery kicks ass. I hope she dies with a smirk on her face like a boss. I thought she looked happy to see the armies there for them. She was probably thinking "shit, shoulda waited one more freakin' day before I pretended to cave!"
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 15:22:02 GMT
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 30, 2016 15:29:08 GMT
It seems a lot of them fall into either the "Ice" or "Fire" categories. The first few are mainly fire, and the last few are mainly ice.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 30, 2016 15:29:50 GMT
i liked how the tarlys really went all the way with the huntsman decorating theme. all those antlers and skulls, nice callback to all the skulls at craster's keep.
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Post by boojam on May 30, 2016 15:30:18 GMT
If Sam had not taken the sword no there would be no future involvement by Randyll Tarly , I don't know what that means. However would like to see what James Faulkner does with that role. Sam's going to mass produce Valyrian steel weapons for his friends up north! I guess Sam discovers some way to manufacture Valyrian steel rather than just reworking it? Summer even more so. He was Bran's other half, ffs. I was bummed by Summer's death, but it was a symbolic gesture that winter is coming. Where are they gonna get more snow for the sets?
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Post by boojam on May 30, 2016 15:32:38 GMT
Dany is most likely dying while fighting the WW. Yep, unfortunately. And that's why it doesn't matter that she's a conqueror and not a ruler. She was born to save the world, not rule it. I've been saying for a while, and I feel very strongly that Dany and Jon will unite, perhaps as family only, perhaps as lovers and defeat the White Walkers together. They'll have the help of Sam, Bran, Tyrion, Brienne, Tormund, and perhaps others. And they'll die together, doing so. Tyrion will be king at the end. Naw, Westeros is gonna say what-the-hell-kindof-deal-is-this ... and convert to a parliamentary democracy.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 15:34:47 GMT
Wow so much good discussion happened this morning and I MISSED IT! I had insomnia long after going to bed last night because I drank coffee during the episode and was super hyper. I should know better than to do that haha! Warning! Wall of Text Incoming! I can't help it, I have so many good things to reply to from y'all. I love reading your intelligent speculation. What a grateful relief from the rest of the internet! Roosey is in need of a good villain figure since Roose's departure. Enter Walder tonight. I agree that there is currently no really good villain. We know Ramsay's days are now numbered, Euron hasn't done anything impressive yet (other than drowning) and the Night King seems to be going rather slowly southward after his detour to destroy the Three Eyed Raven. He's a scary villain but he doesn't speak so it's hard to have a connection to him. James Faulkner as Randyll Tarly was one of the most menacing men I've seen since we were first introduced to the steely eyed Charles Dance as Tywin way back when. I want more of this despicable Tarly but I have a feeling we won't see him again until much later if at all. He won't be a reoccurring villain since he serves no purpose other than to antagonize Sam and hate wildlings. The only other 'villain' atm seems to be the High Sparrow and lets face it, we're kinda half rooting for him to actually help destroy King's Landing with his crusade. He's antagonizing the Lannisters and the Tyrells so that's good fun. I think that story is going to get good in the next few episodes now. Anyone notice the Kingsguard came out of the Sept with armor showing the faith star on it, rather than the Baratheon Kingsguard armor that Jaime had? Yes! I meant to talk about it last night but there were so many other things to discuss. I like the crown inside the star, that's a great touch and they focused on it specifically as Jaime was making his angry face. He knows he's been beaten and he has every right to be pissed because he was left out of the decision entirely and he's the freaking Lord Commander of the Kingsguard! The High Sparrow coached Tommen into excluding him on purpose. Well played slight there meant to get rid of Jaime who is a threat. I still hope Euron becomes as good as he's in the novels. Spoilers from the preview chapter Valyrian steel armour Yeah. So Jaime is not part of the Kingsguard anymore? I didn't get if he was only stripped of his rank as the Lord Commander, or fully expelled from the order. I think it was probably the former. It reminded me quite a bit of Barristan's "resignation" Agreed, this was a sort of "You can't fire me, I quit!" moment for Jaime. They purposely excluded him from the decision to turn the Kingsguard into a mockery religious bodyguard group and Jaime didn't even know about it. That's some fine backstabbing right there from the High Sparrow. The parallel between Jaime and Ser Barristan both throwing their armor/cloak on the floor of the throne room was fantastic. (Someone needs to add that to our parallels thread) I'm so glad they improved the CGI of Dany flying Drogon. It looked absolutely hideous back in 5x09. I didn't think it was hideous, but you had to kind of squint and turn your head. Last night's was much better. Awesome, really, to see her so tiny on his back. Dany's riding of Drogon in 5x09 was nowhere near hideous levels but this scene with tiny Dany on Drogon was perfectly done special effects. Season 4 Children of the Forest and fireball battle against janky looking skeletons ... now THAT was hideous. They've improved their CGI tenfold - I love the new look of the wights and the CotF. I'll agree Dany flying on Drogon was a bit fakey looking at Daznak's though his fire breathing and ground combat against the Harpies was well done. i'm wondering if the connection between brans visions are to do with the wildfire. Wildfire is produced by pyromancers, i'm guessing they use spells and such to make it. I'm wondering whether it can be used to kill white walkers? i mean it is not too far fetched. dragonfire would probably work and they say wildfire burns hot. hotter than a normal flame.Other than showing the mad king for background info purposes, it seems obvious to me that the clue and key to this whole thing (defeating the NK) could lie beneath the hills of KL. and that's what 3ER could be wanting to show Bran. It's definitely possible imo that BR gave the Mad King visions to get him to make the wildfire for future use. He is probably sad because, you know it fucked up all of westeros but its all serving this greater purpose. Hopefully it pays off. Yep, this is the common theory I think a lot of us are making now. It makes sense wildfire would be a key component in fighting massive hordes of undead. The three dragons will be important fire support from the air, but wildfire thrown at the oncoming wights (or dropped from dragonback!!) would be devastating. The problem is making sure it doesn't get out of control and burn up the humans too. I do support the theory that 3ER may have had something to do with Aerys and "Burn Them All!" and the repetitive vision flashes for Bran seems to support that strongly. Bran will probably already know this and maybe talk about it later when he's more fully aware and capable of talking to Meera and Benjen. No one said anything about Hodor. Bran, you just messed that kid's life and used him as a meatshield, you should fucking mention him. I think poor Bran is in a very semi-catatonic state. He keeps slipping back into vision mode and it's got to be taxing on his brain. I think they will address Hodor/Summer though, just didn't happen with the bigger reveal of Benjen and the urgency of his warning for them as the immediate threat. I just realized, Jaime just became Lord of the Casterly Rock. Yeah that's pretty cool, Jaime is now doing what his Father wanted all along. Forced to finally give up the Kingsguard by his own son (who is a puppet of the High Sparrow) and go to war as Commander of the Lannisters - the irony is strong. Bran is having who knows how many visions while being chased by the undead and reuniting with his half-corpse uncle. Boy needs some time to process. Yep ... I think Bran's screwed up in the head right now, literally. He can't think straight yet with all that "uploading" going on from what the 3ER left him with all rushed at the end there. He'll come around soon. It's kind of like Jon is right now - scared and muddled about how to move forward next. Dany is most likely dying while fighting the WW. I do think Daenerys will probably go out before the great ending of the saga and she'll go out doing what she does best... riding Drogon. As much as I love her and the Targaryens, I never supported a full Targ restoration to the Iron Throne. I think in the end there won't be an Iron Throne and only those who survive the great White Walker apocalypse will carry on to reform a new 7 Kingdoms that hopefully work in harmony but independently ruled. Dany is most likely dying while fighting the WW. Yep, unfortunately. And that's why it doesn't matter that she's a conqueror and not a ruler. She was born to save the world, not rule it. I've been saying for a while, and I feel very strongly that Dany and Jon will unite, perhaps as family only, perhaps as lovers and defeat the White Walkers together. They'll have the help of Sam, Bran, Tyrion, Brienne, Tormund, and perhaps others. And they'll die together, doing so. Tyrion will be king at the end. Exactly! I have long suspected the "bittersweet" ending of the song is that the two most beloved 'heroes' will probably die in sacrifice for the greater good. But as I said above, I'd much rather seen 7 independent Kingdoms ruled by the 7 best candidates of the 'young people' who survive. Obviously I'm rooting for Sansa to carry on the Stark dynasty in the north. I really don't think she's destined to rule. She doesn't even really want that deep down. She just feels she has a duty to take back her families throne. Daario's line about not being made to sit in a chair was pretty telling imo. I agree with Roose, my feeling is she dies towards the end in the war for dawn. Jon will probably be king in the end. I thought you might feel opposite about that one, so I'm glad we do have that common thought in the back of our minds. Sad but true most likely. I don't know about Jon being king though. I get the feeling his undeath experience is going to make him want to sacrifice himself some way too in the end of it all. But for good, not to come back again. I think Jon's destiny is to become a Night's King. That will be his ultimate sacrife, the only way to stop the WW. I'm not sure how I feel about this theory though now that we've seen how the White Walkers are made and now Benjen/Coldhands thing ... I wouldn't be surprised if Jon does eventually become some sort of half ice half man thing because the Night King tries to turn him into one and it fails (because Jon's been resurrected by the Fire God?) and somehow Jon destroys the Night King and himself in the process. That would be epic.
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