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Post by Father of Dragons on May 16, 2016 10:08:51 GMT
Jonathan Pryce hands down for me Sophie gets an honourable mention, along with Alfie, Natalie and Gemma Actually, Nathalie Emmanuel, Jacob Anderson and Finn Jones impressed me too So much talent!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 12:27:43 GMT
Sophie Turner, Ben Crompton, Jonathan Pryce.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 16, 2016 14:00:27 GMT
My mum who can't help but talk during episodes much to my was going on at some length about how great her new outfit was. She calls Missandei my "girlfriend" because I've been quite vocal about my attraction to Nathalie. (Well as vocal about such things as one can get in conversation with their mother, that is). I thought Naalie Emmanuel was great but her outfit was awful. Fashion trends in Meereen have clearly slipped since Daemerys stopped setting trends Speaking of, it looks like nude is now in vogue, which ought to please some
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Post by archiechvyalthan on May 16, 2016 17:51:15 GMT
Jonathan Pryce again.
Also, Natalie Dormer did her best work in years (in both her scenes).
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Post by Admin on May 16, 2016 18:44:04 GMT
Sophie Turner. Seeing Sansa finally have fight in her was just the best.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 21:33:26 GMT
Sophie first, Emilia second, third is a tie between Natalie Dormer and Gemma Whelan. Such fierce sisters both.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 16, 2016 23:45:27 GMT
Jonathan Pryce again. Also, Natalie Dormer did her best work in years (in both her scenes). You are right about Dormer. She was really quite bland as scheming smirking Margaery but she was pretty good this episode. So was Finn too. Also, he looked awfully like Theon in that scene
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Post by archiechvyalthan on May 17, 2016 0:20:37 GMT
Jonathan Pryce again. Also, Natalie Dormer did her best work in years (in both her scenes). You are right about Dormer. She was really quite bland as scheming smirking Margaery but she was pretty good this episode. So was Finn too. Also, he looked awfully like Theon in that scene Change is good for actors. Carice is a classic example of this. She is basically playing a new character this season (not that she wasn't great before; she was).
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 7:26:25 GMT
Too hard to choose Emilia, sophie,nathalie and yara both gave equally great performances.
Emilia is my choice for mvp
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 8:20:08 GMT
Sophie bossed this one by a mile.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 8:24:10 GMT
Sophie bossed this one by a mile. It didn't hurt either that the writing was the best she's ever had to work with. But yeah. She gave a Sansa-hater-converting performance on Sunday. Which for large swaths of this fandom is quite a feat on her part.
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 17, 2016 9:10:22 GMT
Jonathan Pryce was fantastic in his monologue. I won't say I was impressed, because I know how good of an actor Pryce is, but damn, he had me on the edge of my seat just by telling a story about making shoes. I almost wish he was cast as Septon Meribald just to see him deliver that epic monologue, however I'm am so pleased with his performance as the High Sparrow. He took a fairly bland character in the books, brought him to life, and has become possibly the show's most interesting villain.
Gemma Whelan deserves some serious props as well. Even after everything Theon has been through, seeing him belittled by Yara was one of the most devastating scenes to sit through this year.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 13:03:55 GMT
Jonathan Pryce was fantastic in his monologue. I won't say I was impressed, because I know how good of an actor Pryce is, but damn, he had me on the edge of my seat just by telling a story about making shoes. I almost wish he was cast as Septon Meribald just to see him deliver that epic monologue, however I'm am so pleased with his performance as the High Sparrow. He took a fairly bland character in the books, brought him to life, and has become possibly the show's most interesting villain. Gemma Whelan deserves some serious props as well. Even after everything Theon has been through, seeing him belittled by Yara was one of the most devastating scenes to sit through this year. I truly love Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow, but my patience has run out for his long monologues meant to manipulate his 'victim' into pacified compliance. Margaery is now the 4th person (if you include Jaime) to get the hypnotist routine and I've grown weary of it as have a lot of the audience. They push the line with how long people will tolerate it before something has to give. Though I feel the same way about Ramsay at this point as well. Great plot device is no longer great plot device after this long. Lets move it along King's Landing!
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 17, 2016 18:53:44 GMT
Jonathan Pryce was fantastic in his monologue. I won't say I was impressed, because I know how good of an actor Pryce is, but damn, he had me on the edge of my seat just by telling a story about making shoes. I almost wish he was cast as Septon Meribald just to see him deliver that epic monologue, however I'm am so pleased with his performance as the High Sparrow. He took a fairly bland character in the books, brought him to life, and has become possibly the show's most interesting villain. Gemma Whelan deserves some serious props as well. Even after everything Theon has been through, seeing him belittled by Yara was one of the most devastating scenes to sit through this year. I truly love Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow, but my patience has run out for his long monologues meant to manipulate his 'victim' into pacified compliance. Margaery is now the 4th person (if you include Jaime) to get the hypnotist routine and I've grown weary of it as have a lot of the audience. They push the line with how long people will tolerate it before something has to give. Though I feel the same way about Ramsay at this point as well. Great plot device is no longer great plot device after this long. Lets move it along King's Landing! While these scenes might be similar in structure, I don't really find them to be repetitive. It's a fresh, and new type of politicking never before seen in this series. It's one thing to get angry and wage war with a royal family like the Lannisters or the Starks, but the Faith seizing power puts the rest of the nobility in King's Landing in an awkward and uncomfortable position. This is a world where atheism is not outwardly popular, and you can't just wage war with a widely believe political institution. The beautiful irony in this is that t he wealthy use religions to pacify the poor and downtrodden, and now it's being used against them. Cersei herself said that 'the crown and faith are the two pillars that hold up this world' because she understands how powerful of a tool it can be, after all, she was using it to take down the Tyrells. Now in season 6 she is teaming up with the Tyrells to destroy the monster she created. The High Sparrow is a fascinating character because he's straddling the line between piety and ambition. If he's simply another power-hungry politician, using the Faith to assert control, he's certainly masking it well in the conversations in these scenes, and that's what I find compelling: the ambiguity. His scenes in season 6 are unique because he's taking characters like Jaime and Marg, and pulling them out of their comfort zones, and making them engage him on his terms. They're all trying to use their unique strengths to manipulate the High Sparrow, and they all fail. Jaime's always been defined by his confidence and swagger, we've never seen him so desperate and aggressive as when he's threatening the High Sparrow. But the HS holds his ground, Jaime's brute force has no effect on him. Jaime knows that even if he strikes the HS down, he'd lose his own life, with the chilling realization that a wealthy man like himself has a lot more to lose than a bunch of nobodies wearing rags. Tommen is trying to assert his power as the king, with the illusion that one institute outranks another. Whereas Jaime sees through the High Sparrow's act, Tommen takes his faith sincerely. Tommen is the easiest to placate, and the High Sparrow's warm, grandfatherly wisdom is something sorely missing in Tommen's life. We're now getting the sense that the High Sparrow could use all aspects of the Seven to manipulate the people around him. Jaime was the Warrior, with Tommen he's utilizing the Crone's wisdom. Margery, who is totally at his mercy, gets the Father treatment as she awaits his judgment. He offers an olive branch to Marg, allowing her to finally see her brother, making him seem stern, but fair. With Tommen he allows himself to appear vulnerable, pointing out his weak knees and frail body ravaged by age. With Jaime he shows the strength of his institution with a subtle but undeniable threat of violence. Just because the scenes all offer Pryce monologues, doesn't mean they are similar in tone, and there lies the greatness in Pryce's performance. His demeanor is quite different in each interaction, while still maintaining the illusion of a righteous holy man.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 19:01:29 GMT
Nice summary DaveyJoe! I do love the symbolism of his various techniques and your attributes of the various aspects of the seven is great. I did pick up on that and appreciated it. I think I am weary of King's Landing stagnation overall and ready for it to move forward. The High Sparrow's monologues only prolong the inevitable clash to come I guess and I'm tired of hearing it even as spectacular as Pryce is delivering it. The speech with Marg may have been a little lost on some viewers as the underlying meaning is less clear other than pointing out her obvious materialism motives. Materialism is what the High Sparrow left behind. We know Margaery isn't going to do that even if she does proclaim to the faith's side. She's far too shallow a character overall. I never really cared for her character so it's more difficult for me to sympathize with her. She'll be a conduit for Tommen's actions to come though so I look forward to seeing how all of these speeches create results for the High Sparrow.
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 17, 2016 19:19:12 GMT
Nice summary DaveyJoe ! I do love the symbolism of his various techniques and your attributes of the various aspects of the seven is great. I did pick up on that and appreciated it. I think I am weary of King's Landing stagnation overall and ready for it to move forward. The High Sparrow's monologues only prolong the inevitable clash to come I guess and I'm tired of hearing it even as spectacular as Pryce is delivering it. The speech with Marg may have been a little lost on some viewers as the underlying meaning is less clear other than pointing out her obvious materialism motives. Materialism is what the High Sparrow left behind. We know Margaery isn't going to do that even if she does proclaim to the faith's side. She's far too shallow a character overall. I never really cared for her character so it's more difficult for me to sympathize with her. She'll be a conduit for Tommen's actions to come though so I look forward to seeing how all of these speeches create results for the High Sparrow. Aye, you're ready for the HYPE, but the waiting only makes it sweeter. I think the scenes with Pryce help ground and add balance to the King's Landing story line, especially considering the other scenes feature a giant zombie monster. In a series with colorful, at times cartoonish, villains like Ramsay Bolton, I find myself increasingly intrigued by the High Sparrow. The way he operates is almost scarier, with a gentle, unassuming voice; nobody has a grasp of his treachery until he's all ready in control of the situation. But I understand where you're coming from, us book readers, especially, have been waiting a long time for some closure in this storyline.
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Post by Nezzer on May 18, 2016 0:06:44 GMT
Nice summary DaveyJoe ! I do love the symbolism of his various techniques and your attributes of the various aspects of the seven is great. I did pick up on that and appreciated it. I think I am weary of King's Landing stagnation overall and ready for it to move forward. The High Sparrow's monologues only prolong the inevitable clash to come I guess and I'm tired of hearing it even as spectacular as Pryce is delivering it. The speech with Marg may have been a little lost on some viewers as the underlying meaning is less clear other than pointing out her obvious materialism motives. Materialism is what the High Sparrow left behind. We know Margaery isn't going to do that even if she does proclaim to the faith's side. She's far too shallow a character overall. I never really cared for her character so it's more difficult for me to sympathize with her. She'll be a conduit for Tommen's actions to come though so I look forward to seeing how all of these speeches create results for the High Sparrow. Aye, you're ready for the HYPE, but the waiting only makes it sweeter. I think the scenes with Pryce help ground and add balance to the King's Landing story line, especially considering the other scenes feature a giant zombie monster. In a series with colorful, at times cartoonish, villains like Ramsay Bolton, I find myself increasingly intrigued by the High Sparrow. The way he operates is almost scarier, with a gentle, unassuming voice; nobody has a grasp of his treachery until he's all ready in control of the situation. But I understand where you're coming from, us book readers, especially, have been waiting a long time for some closure in this storyline. I have to say that I really like the High Sparrow and that I'm kind of rooting for him. Olenna's "better them than us" made me a bit mad, like "these rich fools are a bunch of dicks"
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Post by archiechvyalthan on May 18, 2016 0:25:20 GMT
I truly love Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow, but my patience has run out for his long monologues meant to manipulate his 'victim' into pacified compliance. Margaery is now the 4th person (if you include Jaime) to get the hypnotist routine and I've grown weary of it as have a lot of the audience. They push the line with how long people will tolerate it before something has to give. Though I feel the same way about Ramsay at this point as well. Great plot device is no longer great plot device after this long. Lets move it along King's Landing! While these scenes might be similar in structure, I don't really find them to be repetitive. It's a fresh, and new type of politicking never before seen in this series. It's one thing to get angry and wage war with a royal family like the Lannisters or the Starks, but the Faith seizing power puts the rest of the nobility in King's Landing in an awkward and uncomfortable position. This is a world where atheism is not outwardly popular, and you can't just wage war with a widely believe political institution. The beautiful irony in this is that t he wealthy use religions to pacify the poor and downtrodden, and now it's being used against them. Cersei herself said that 'the crown and faith are the two pillars that hold up this world' because she understands how powerful of a tool it can be, after all, she was using it to take down the Tyrells. Now in season 6 she is teaming up with the Tyrells to destroy the monster she created. The High Sparrow is a fascinating character because he's straddling the line between piety and ambition. If he's simply another power-hungry politician, using the Faith to assert control, he's certainly masking it well in the conversations in these scenes, and that's what I find compelling: the ambiguity. His scenes in season 6 are unique because he's taking characters like Jaime and Marg, and pulling them out of their comfort zones, and making them engage him on his terms. They're all trying to use their unique strengths to manipulate the High Sparrow, and they all fail. Jaime's always been defined by his confidence and swagger, we've never seen him so desperate and aggressive as when he's threatening the High Sparrow. But the HS holds his ground, Jaime's brute force has no effect on him. Jaime knows that even if he strikes the HS down, he'd lose his own life, with the chilling realization that a wealthy man like himself has a lot more to lose than a bunch of nobodies wearing rags. Tommen is trying to assert his power as the king, with the illusion that one institute outranks another. Whereas Jaime sees through the High Sparrow's act, Tommen takes his faith sincerely. Tommen is the easiest to placate, and the High Sparrow's warm, grandfatherly wisdom is something sorely missing in Tommen's life. We're now getting the sense that the High Sparrow could use all aspects of the Seven to manipulate the people around him. Jaime was the Warrior, with Tommen he's utilizing the Crone's wisdom. Margery, who is totally at his mercy, gets the Father treatment as she awaits his judgment. He offers an olive branch to Marg, allowing her to finally see her brother, making him seem stern, but fair. With Tommen he allows himself to appear vulnerable, pointing out his weak knees and frail body ravaged by age. With Jaime he shows the strength of his institution with a subtle but undeniable threat of violence. Just because the scenes all offer Pryce monologues, doesn't mean they are similar in tone, and there lies the greatness in Pryce's performance. His demeanor is quite different in each interaction, while still maintaining the illusion of a righteous holy man. I love you. That's all. Also, the way he slightly alters his philosophy to suit his audience is brilliant. In his speech to Jaime, men are "weak and vain" creatures. In his speech to Tommen, men are suddenly fundamentally good, and all we have to do is to bring the best of one another. Dude knows his audience - knows that Tommen will be enchanted by this fiction of noble men, while Jaime will recognize the fiction of men born evil. And later with Margaery, he's basically saying "look, I'm much more of a sinner than you could ever hope to be". He willingly puts himself below her, while still retaining the moral authority. And that's without even mentioning how he dealt with Olenna and Cersei last season. The guy is unstoppable, and Pryce brings new shades every time.
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Post by boojam on May 18, 2016 10:07:12 GMT
My mum who can't help but talk during episodes much to my was going on at some length about how great her new outfit was. She calls Missandei my "girlfriend" because I've been quite vocal about my attraction to Nathalie. (Well as vocal about such things as one can get in conversation with their mother, that is). Nathalie (like Gemma) never gets enough dialog. Missandei* spends most of time as a kind of neutral element in the narrative, I think this is the first time she has had really SERIOUS lines.(I mean she and Grey Worm have had so heart to heart talk, but not like this.) Poor Jacob Anderson! When speaking Common Tongue he talks like Tonto ( Jay Silverheels hated this). David Peterson has said Anderson speaks the best High Valyrian of the cast. I think they have held the High Valyrian down because of the amount of Dothraki spoken this season. *By the by whats with Missandei Quasi-Dothraki 'court dress'? I thought it was a bit odd back in season 3 when Missandei corrected Dany's Dothraki.
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Post by kingeomer on May 18, 2016 12:26:37 GMT
Aye, you're ready for the HYPE, but the waiting only makes it sweeter. I think the scenes with Pryce help ground and add balance to the King's Landing story line, especially considering the other scenes feature a giant zombie monster. In a series with colorful, at times cartoonish, villains like Ramsay Bolton, I find myself increasingly intrigued by the High Sparrow. The way he operates is almost scarier, with a gentle, unassuming voice; nobody has a grasp of his treachery until he's all ready in control of the situation. But I understand where you're coming from, us book readers, especially, have been waiting a long time for some closure in this storyline. I have to say that I really like the High Sparrow and that I'm kind of rooting for him. Olenna's "better them than us" made me a bit mad, like "these rich fools are a bunch of dicks" I kind of felt like, in some ways they are taking him seriously but in others they underestimate him and what he has done so far. If the High Sparrow dies, what if the citizens of Kings Landing out and out revolt against the Lannisters and Tyrells? That might be the thing that the nobility is not considering...
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