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Post by GreenChili on May 13, 2016 23:17:26 GMT
Now the War of the 6 Queens is coming:
Cersei, Queen of Westeros (well, part of King's Landing at least)
Margaery, Queen of The Faith
Sansa, Queen of the North
Daenerys, Queen of Slavers' Bay and the Dothraki Sea
Ellaria, Queen of Dorne
Yara, Queen of the Iron Islands
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 23:17:26 GMT
Cersei is already a major character in Cleganebowl. She can't be in 2 bowls now can she? If Cersei burns King's Landing while Dany is on her way and Sandor and Gregor fight in the wildfire then maybe. |
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Post by mandzipop on May 13, 2016 23:19:10 GMT
Are they setting up for the war of the 5 Queens?
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 13, 2016 23:29:29 GMT
Now the War of the 6 Queens is coming: Cersei, Queen of Westeros (well, part of King's Landing at least) Margaery, Queen of The Faith Sansa, Queen of the North Daenerys, Queen of Slavers' Bay and the Dothraki Sea Ellaria, Queen of Dorne Yara, Queen of the Iron Islands Tbh I think Yara will end up allied with Daenerys. She'll just want to be Lady of the Iron Islands and be left alone. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 13:39:23 GMT
Now that's the kind of bowl I want. It should also be in all caps, always. QUEENBOWL, bitches.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 13:42:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 13:44:56 GMT
Yeah, as much as I LOVE some of the male characters, the women are the reason why I watch Game of Thrones.   |
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Post by archiechvyalthan on May 14, 2016 14:11:22 GMT
Now the War of the 6 Queens is coming: Cersei, Queen of Westeros (well, part of King's Landing at least) Margaery, Queen of The Faith Sansa, Queen of the North Daenerys, Queen of Slavers' Bay and the Dothraki Sea Ellaria, Queen of Dorne Yara, Queen of the Iron Islands I don't think Yara will be vying for the throne but I can see the other five happening. I'm not sure how Ellaria can believably become Queen of Dorne but maybe it will be something symbolic - she does rule Dorne after all. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 14:15:35 GMT
Now the War of the 6 Queens is coming: Cersei, Queen of Westeros (well, part of King's Landing at least) Margaery, Queen of The Faith Sansa, Queen of the North Daenerys, Queen of Slavers' Bay and the Dothraki Sea Ellaria, Queen of Dorne Yara, Queen of the Iron Islands I don't think Yara will be vying for the throne but I can see the other five happening. I'm not sure how Ellaria can believably become Queen of Dorne but maybe it will be something symbolic - she does rule Dorne after all. The Dorne twist on the show has become such an oddity for me I can't even collectively speculate on it with the rest of the plots ... it's just that odd-ball to me. And not just because of how awkward the acting and scenes were done either. It feels out of place with the rest of the story. I have to guess this is because they chose to fabricate something that isn't from the books and it didn't work. Some of their show-only choices do, but this one definitely didn't and it's hard to imagine how it blends in with the rest without Arianne and fAegon in there to even help it along. Ellaria at this point seems to be the only real choice to lead Dorne now. Trystane dead and no Quentin at all. There's no connection to Daenerys at this point ... there's nothing for Dorne to do. It's just so weirdly broken. |
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Post by archiechvyalthan on May 14, 2016 14:19:24 GMT
I don't think Yara will be vying for the throne but I can see the other five happening. I'm not sure how Ellaria can believably become Queen of Dorne but maybe it will be something symbolic - she does rule Dorne after all. The Dorne twist on the show has become such an oddity for me I can't even collectively speculate on it with the rest of the plots ... it's just that odd-ball to me. And not just because of how awkward the acting and scenes were done either. It feels out of place with the rest of the story. I have to guess this is because they chose to fabricate something that isn't from the books and it didn't work. Some of their show-only choices do, but this one definitely didn't and it's hard to imagine how it blends in with the rest without Arianne and fAegon in there to even help it along. Ellaria at this point seems to be the only real choice to lead Dorne now. Trystane dead and no Quentin at all. There's no connection to Daenerys at this point ... there's nothing for Dorne to do. It's just so weirdly broken. It was odd and abrupt but this is what we got. Jaime confirmed "the women who killed Doran now rule Dorne", so this probably means Ellaria is the new leader. To be honest, I think Dorne may be important as a location. Maybe winter never gets there and some kind of battle takes place, who knows? I thought Ellaria would become Dany's ally but maybe not - maybe she will fight for independence. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 14, 2016 14:22:59 GMT
I think Ellaria Sand will be the "Queen of Dorne" metaphorically. Like how that woman Jaime met in the RL was the "Queen of Whores" lol. Just a name.
But she is certainly in control of the Dornish army and appears to have the people's support, so she's more than capable of making an impact.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 14:26:24 GMT
The Dorne twist on the show has become such an oddity for me I can't even collectively speculate on it with the rest of the plots ... it's just that odd-ball to me. And not just because of how awkward the acting and scenes were done either. It feels out of place with the rest of the story. I have to guess this is because they chose to fabricate something that isn't from the books and it didn't work. Some of their show-only choices do, but this one definitely didn't and it's hard to imagine how it blends in with the rest without Arianne and fAegon in there to even help it along. Ellaria at this point seems to be the only real choice to lead Dorne now. Trystane dead and no Quentin at all. There's no connection to Daenerys at this point ... there's nothing for Dorne to do. It's just so weirdly broken. It was odd and abrupt but this is what we got. Jaime confirmed "the women who killed Doran now rule Dorne", so this probably means Ellaria is the new leader. To be honest, I think Dorne may be important as a location. Maybe winter never gets there and some kind of battle takes place, who knows? I thought Ellaria would become Dany's ally but maybe not - maybe she will fight for independence. Yeah maybe they just abbreviated it down to a side location to help in the end, who knows?  If I get my wish, the Seven Kingdoms will all be autonomous anyways so Ellaria can have Dorne, I don't really care. No one's going to mount a campaign to take it back anyways when all focus will be to the north and what's to come. I would prefer Daenerys go to Dragonstone and rule from there ... assuming speculation that King's Landing is going to get burned to the ground at some point anyways (and I hope it does) ...  Sansa will rule the North of course, and with Jon's involvement, bridge the alliance between the Starks and Targaryens.  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 14, 2016 14:37:20 GMT
Unsure as of yet how to get videos into posts  , but this Featurette by Ellaria Sand gives a little bit more info about her motivations and the women/people's attitudes in Dorne. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 14, 2016 14:37:43 GMT
Wtf I didn't think that would actually happen lmfao. Maybe I am a tech genius...
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 14:53:01 GMT
Wtf I didn't think that would actually happen lmfao. Maybe I am a tech genius... The forum recognizes the link and creates the video embed for you. There are also buttons at the top of your post under bold, italics etc that help you insert images, videos, links etc. Great video, I've seen some of those in the past but not that one. It actually gives me hope perhaps Dorne's story can be salvaged and turned around to a better outcome with the emphasis on Nymeria (the original woman warrior) for their focus in ruling Dorne. It also makes me think perhaps (wisely) Ellaria will not seek to ally with Daenerys due to their past defiance of the original Targaryens. They did marry in with Targaryen but we should not forget the insult Rhaegar put upon Elia Martell by taking Lyanna Stark either. That wound has not healed and we know the Tower of Joy is yet unresolved. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 14, 2016 15:07:59 GMT
Wtf I didn't think that would actually happen lmfao. Maybe I am a tech genius... The forum recognizes the link and creates the video embed for you. There are also buttons at the top of your post under bold, italics etc that help you insert images, videos, links etc. Great video, I've seen some of those in the past but not that one. It actually gives me hope perhaps Dorne's story can be salvaged and turned around to a better outcome with the emphasis on Nymeria (the original woman warrior) for their focus in ruling Dorne. It also makes me think perhaps (wisely) Ellaria will not seek to ally with Daenerys due to their past defiance of the original Targaryens. They did marry in with Targaryen but we should not forget the insult Rhaegar put upon Elia Martell by taking Lyanna Stark either. That wound has not healed and we know the Tower of Joy is yet unresolved. Yeah honestly, the more I think about it, the more appreciation I have for Ellaria Sand. She's got her own personality outside of Oberyn's girlfriend, something the books have as of yet failed to give her. She's beautiful. Shes cunning. Shes feisty as hell. And where Doran accepted humiliation and abuse from the Crown, Ellaria'a gonna fight back. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 15:14:45 GMT
To go a step further in speculating Ellaria's motives moving forward - we should remember that the plot to ally Dorne with Daenerys was Doran's plan, never Ellaria's and probably never Oberyn's either. His daughters would see an alliance with Targaryen as another slight - as it was to Elia Martell ... the one woman they've kept their hatred and revenge seeking hearts pining for ever since Ser Gregor killed her and her children.
Dany asks Ser Barristan about this story at one point:
If I have to guess ... Ellaria is going to oppose Daenerys more than support her because of Rhaegar.
Likewise, Ellaria is going to hate Jon Snow when it's revealed he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. He is the living survivor where Rhaegar's trueborn children by Elia were killed.
So to me, this means Ellaria will be an enemy in the Queenbowl for sure!
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 14, 2016 18:06:19 GMT
To go a step further in speculating Ellaria's motives moving forward - we should remember that the plot to ally Dorne with Daenerys was Doran's plan, never Ellaria's and probably never Oberyn's either. His daughters would see an alliance with Targaryen as another slight - as it was to Elia Martell ... the one woman they've kept their hatred and revenge seeking hearts pining for ever since Ser Gregor killed her and her children. Dany asks Ser Barristan about this story at one point: If I have to guess ... Ellaria is going to oppose Daenerys more than support her because of Rhaegar. Likewise, Ellaria is going to hate Jon Snow when it's revealed he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. He is the living survivor where Rhaegar's trueborn children by Elia were killed. So to me, this means Ellaria will be an enemy in the Queenbowl for sure! I also have a vague recollection that Oberyn wasn't exactly glowing in his assessment of Rhaegar when he and Tyrion met in Season 4. Don't recall exactly, but I seem to remember thinking that he didn't have fond memories of the man at least. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 15, 2016 14:42:44 GMT
To go a step further in speculating Ellaria's motives moving forward - we should remember that the plot to ally Dorne with Daenerys was Doran's plan, never Ellaria's and probably never Oberyn's either. His daughters would see an alliance with Targaryen as another slight - as it was to Elia Martell ... the one woman they've kept their hatred and revenge seeking hearts pining for ever since Ser Gregor killed her and her children. Dany asks Ser Barristan about this story at one point: If I have to guess ... Ellaria is going to oppose Daenerys more than support her because of Rhaegar. Likewise, Ellaria is going to hate Jon Snow when it's revealed he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. He is the living survivor where Rhaegar's trueborn children by Elia were killed. So to me, this means Ellaria will be an enemy in the Queenbowl for sure! I also have a vague recollection that Oberyn wasn't exactly glowing in his assessment of Rhaegar when he and Tyrion met in Season 4. Don't recall exactly, but I seem to remember thinking that he didn't have fond memories of the man at least. Yeah Oberyn viewed Rhaegar as a guy who ditched his nice wife Elia for some other woman. Dorne is definitely no longer a Targaryen fan lol. |
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Post by GreenChili on May 17, 2016 11:18:57 GMT
I don't think Yara will be vying for the throne but I can see the other five happening.  From episode 5 preview: "I claim the Salt Trone!" But i totally agree: she won't get the throne - Euron will be king, and she will be sent to Essos. |
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, but this Featurette by Ellaria Sand gives a little bit more info about her motivations and the women/people's attitudes in Dorne. 
