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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 5:26:17 GMT
Ah and somehow I forgot about Mace in his lovely plumed helm. I'm looking forward to that way too much.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 5:31:32 GMT
She'll still really be the catalyst for Cersei's arc here but this business of her acting pious and getting Tommen to go along with it should make for a pretty interesting late-season KL dynamic all the same. Particularly since Jaime leaves shortly after that. I've never been too interested in Marge as a character (particularly in the books where she's really just someone we hear about mostly off-page anyways) but Dormer gives her a bit of life, I guess.  The most interesting thing for me in KL in s6 will be the Lannister family dynamics and having Kevan and Pycelle get some more screentime. Yup I would also add Mace coming back to KL haha. I don't really mind that they are changing events around at least in Kevan and Pycelle's case because I've always found most of the small council scenes interesting. |
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Post by Belle on Jan 19, 2016 5:46:10 GMT
I've considered the possibility of Cersei killing Kevan and Pycelle and I feel 50/50 about it. I think it could be both interesting and disastrous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 5:49:36 GMT
I've considered the possibility of Cersei killing Kevan and Pycelle and I feel 50/50 about it. I think it could be both interesting and disastrous. I think there'd be better ways of killing them even if Varys doesn't show up in KL at the end of s6 than having it be Cersei. But who knows. It depends how mad she goes in reaction to Myrcella's death, I guess. What I'm wondering about now is whether Varys will arrive in KL or in Dorne in the finale. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 5:56:18 GMT
I've considered the possibility of Cersei killing Kevan and Pycelle and I feel 50/50 about it. I think it could be both interesting and disastrous. I think there'd be better ways of killing them even if Varys doesn't show up in KL at the end of s6 than having it be Cersei. But who knows. It depends how mad she goes in reaction to Myrcella's death, I guess. What I'm wondering about now is whether Varys will arrive in KL or in Dorne in the finale.It depends if Dany decides to send Jorah to Volantis to negotiate for ships while she travels back to Meereen with the Dothraki because if Jorah does continue taking on Connington's role, he could land in Westeros and potentially go to Dorne to meet with Doran while Varys goes to KL to kill Kevan and Pycelle and both would open the door for Dany's Landing in S7. Although it's probably more likely that Varys meets with Doran instead of Jorah. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 6:00:24 GMT
I think there'd be better ways of killing them even if Varys doesn't show up in KL at the end of s6 than having it be Cersei. But who knows. It depends how mad she goes in reaction to Myrcella's death, I guess. What I'm wondering about now is whether Varys will arrive in KL or in Dorne in the finale.It depends if Dany decides to send Jorah to Volantis to negotiate for ships while she travels back to Meereen with the Dothraki because if Jorah does continue taking on Connington's role, he could land in Westeros and potentially go to Dorne to meet with Doran while Varys goes to KL to kill Kevan and Pycelle and both would open the door for Dany's Landing in S7. Although it's probably more likely that Varys meets with Doran instead of Jorah. Or Kevan and Pycelle could surprise us all by surviving the season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 6:03:11 GMT
It depends if Dany decides to send Jorah to Volantis to negotiate for ships while she travels back to Meereen with the Dothraki because if Jorah does continue taking on Connington's role, he could land in Westeros and potentially go to Dorne to meet with Doran while Varys goes to KL to kill Kevan and Pycelle and both would open the door for Dany's Landing in S7. Although it's probably more likely that Varys meets with Doran instead of Jorah. Or Kevan and Pycelle could surprise us all by surviving the season. Fuck Pycelle. I know it's all an act, but having him still be alive.  He's gotta die sometime. |
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Post by breakfest on Jan 19, 2016 9:23:18 GMT
You could have a really great show Pycelle death scene where he's cowering and bumbling for his life, up until he realises he's never going to get himself out of the situation, and lapses back into his normal self where he lets his killer know he's sharper of mind than he ever let on and tries to say something clever before getting a crossbow to the face.
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Jan 19, 2016 10:02:09 GMT
This quote is ambiguous enough that it could go both ways in terms of her relationship with the Faith. At least it sounds unlike her previous "easy" manipulations. |
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Jan 19, 2016 10:08:11 GMT
You could have a really great show Pycelle death scene where he's cowering and bumbling for his life, up until he realises he's never going to get himself out of the situation, and lapses back into his normal self where he lets his killer know he's sharper of mind than he ever let on and tries to say something clever before getting a crossbow to the face. I think the "Pycelle is faking being decrepit" subplot is probably my least favorite of the entire show, lol. Whoever came up with the idea was overthinking it imo. Really hope this is it for the character. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 10:08:27 GMT
This quote is ambiguous enough that it could go both ways in terms of her relationship with the Faith. At least it sounds unlike her previous "easy" manipulations. The bit about her maybe not even knowing herself whether or not she'd been swayed by the Faith or broken by KL politics was the most interesting line there to me. Though I'm sure it'll be revealed that her conversion is in the end a trick on her part, the longer they can keep that question ambiguous through the season the stronger that arc will be, I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 10:09:33 GMT
You could have a really great show Pycelle death scene where he's cowering and bumbling for his life, up until he realises he's never going to get himself out of the situation, and lapses back into his normal self where he lets his killer know he's sharper of mind than he ever let on and tries to say something clever before getting a crossbow to the face. I think the "Pycelle is faking being decrepit" subplot is probably my least favorite of the entire show, lol. Whoever came up with the idea was overthinking it imo. Really hope this is it for the character. IIRC it was something D and D incorporated into s1 partially on Julian Glover's insistence. |
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Jan 19, 2016 10:16:40 GMT
I think the "Pycelle is faking being decrepit" subplot is probably my least favorite of the entire show, lol. Whoever came up with the idea was overthinking it imo. Really hope this is it for the character. IIRC it was something D and D incorporated into s1 partially on Julian Glover's insistence. That makes sense.... it's the kind of theatrical "twist" actors love. It's just too on the nose here I feel. |
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Post by breakfest on Jan 19, 2016 10:19:27 GMT
I like it. Pycelle is pretty bland without it. Has only been shown once too, although they could have made it more subtle for sure.
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Post by boojam on Jan 19, 2016 10:30:12 GMT
I think there'd be better ways of killing them even if Varys doesn't show up in KL at the end of s6 than having it be Cersei. But who knows. It depends how mad she goes in reaction to Myrcella's death, I guess. What I'm wondering about now is whether Varys will arrive in KL or in Dorne in the finale.It depends if Dany decides to send Jorah to Volantis to negotiate for ships while she travels back to Meereen with the Dothraki because if Jorah does continue taking on Connington's role, he could land in Westeros and potentially go to Dorne to meet with Doran while Varys goes to KL to kill Kevan and Pycelle and both would open the door for Dany's Landing in S7. Although it's probably more likely that Varys meets with Doran instead of Jorah. "Connington's role." Every day I would like to see Winds of Winter more and more, is the "Griff" story really another shaggy-dog-loop like Stannis and Mance? I mean does the Griff story play no role in the climax of the plot? (Which I extrapolate to be the showdown between The Others and Westeros-Essos.) I can't really figure it out from what George said recently about characters alive on the page but not in the show what he means. It is the reverse of the Jon Snow question , "dead, but does he stay dead?" Alive, but to they stay alive? The Griff-arc could play out as the last major plot branch (god! I hope GRRM introduces no others!). Just as D&D have feed the Ironborn back into the story in S6 ... does Griff show up in season 7? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 10:43:24 GMT
I like it. Pycelle is pretty bland without it. Has only been shown once too, although they could have made it more subtle for sure. I like it too as an undercurrent to Pycelle's scenes. It's only been shown twice outright, in ep. 110 after his scene with Ros and in 210 when he visits wounded Tyrion. Those were the only times we've seen him speaking without his stammer and standing up straight without his feigned bent back. There's also that deleted scene from ep. 303 of course with Tywin but I felt that was a bit too on-the-nose really and in the end I'm glad it wasn't in. Other than that it mostly manifests itself in moments of nastiness when he has one-up on people or an opportunity to be a dick. Like him dropping the scroll that Tyrion then has to pick up in ep. 310 or the look he gives Cersei after the WoS in ep. 510.
One pattern I've liked so far throughout the show is Pycelle getting a moment of some sort in every season finale. Which I think will culminate in the s6 finale when he finally dies, whether at Varys's hand or someone else's. All-in-all I'm glad they let Glover have some more input in it all because otherwise if he was really just playing a doddering fool, it'd kind of be a waste of a legend like him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 17:06:28 GMT
To be honest, I never understood the hate for Pycelle. I disliked him for a while after that "Lannisters' pawn" thing back in Season 2, but after that I've kind of started to like the show version of him.
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Post by day dreamer on Jan 19, 2016 17:28:30 GMT
I've never been a fan of Pycelle. He annoys me, but at the same time I'm fine with it because it will make his eventual death scene all the better.
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Jan 20, 2016 22:44:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 22:59:13 GMT
everyone is saying that guy sounds like a tool |
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He's gotta die sometime.
