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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 19:32:14 GMT
It's ok guys - I think we got off track a bit by discussing Emilia as Daenerys which then muddied things between the show's version of Daenerys and the book version. This *is* a Daenerys appreciation thread though, so we do need to stay on track with that so we should probably stick to the book story for Daenerys since show version is too controversial. One thing I learned, and had to be reminded from listening to a few analysis podcasts and reading some great writings is that for as young as Daenerys is/was - she had very quick tactical thinking skills. Especially considering she grew up hidden away, sheltered, and bullied by her older brother. When it came to making decisions that would further her position once she had married Drogo and onward, she displayed surprisingly mature ability. She made a conscious decision to find a way to please Drogo in the only way she had available to her - her sexuality. That resulted in him falling madly in love with her and eventually promising her the thing he was likely never going to give her brother. Weaker girls might have wilted under such harsh conditions and the treatment she received at Drogo's hands. But Daenerys is not weak. She showed strength when she stood up to her brother once her role as Khaleesi became clear. She also made the decision to end Drogo's misery after Mirri Maz Duur tricked her with the blood magic. That took fortitude. No one told her to do these things - she just did them from her own self will. The eggs/dragons and magic may have been spurring her on at this point, but stepping into that pyre would not be something any normal person (much less a young kid) could do voluntarily. I'll leave that one aside only because like the line oft used: "Fire cannot harm the dragon" ... it's a little misleading. That was a special situation that I don't think most Targaryens would survive as history has shown. GRRM has confirmed they are not immune to fire. Later, the first tactical prowess we see Dany display against enemies is with Kraznys and the brilliant move to free the Unsullied by giving him Drogon. Even her 'advisors' warned her not to do it but she knew what she was doing. She knows her dragons so well by then and one simple tactical trick not only got her an army but the city of Astapor. Sure, it went right down the toilet after that and eventually taken by Yunkai but you can't argue Dany didn't get what she wanted out of it. She never had intentions of ruling it or keeping it. The only mistake was in thinking she could end slavery by taking out the slavers there. Many argue that Dany goes on to make stupid mistakes in her leadership. Honestly, the only stupid mistake I think she has made was staying too long in Meereen and trying to rule it as a loved Queen which was never going to happen especially when she herself didn't even love Meereen. And it's not even a huge mistake since there was no way she could go elsewhere anyways until she got ships to transport her armies and her dragons grew big enough to fly against enemies. Now I will agree Dany has made personal mistakes - those being her relationship with with Daario clouding her judgement and chaining up her dragons among a couple other things. I won't go into a lot more detail because obviously many others have argued this topic quite heavily for years and this is an appreciation thread for the character overall. And - overall ... I find Daenerys to be one of the most intriguing characters because you really must keep reminding yourself of her origins. She's a Targaryen, yes ... but one who has never known her homeland, her ancestors or people yet still displays an innate ability to lead and conquer through her family heritage. It's in her blood, literally I suppose if you count in the dragonblood references. No one had to coach her or train her to be a leader the way young boys are in noble houses of Westeros. She was a very young and naive girl sold to a barbaric tribal leader ... she had a lot stacked against her with that yet she managed to not only survive, but thrive and become a conqueror in her own right. Very well said. I I think what I most enjoy about Dany and which was addressed in the initial essay I posted is the complexity of her character. There is an inmate duality to who she. During our Dany re-read we discussed Dany in terms of Destruction and Creation, Mother and Dragon. Like fire, she is capable of both and it's her constant balancing act that is fascinating to read about. To me the best description or analogy of this is a volcano which simultaneous destroys and creates. They are a necessary function of the planet and without them we would not have new landmass. She he is necessary in that respect especially in the current citation the Planetos finds itself in. Dragons might not plant the trees but they create the land needed to plant them, and they cleanse it as well. If Dany can learn when best to me Mother and when best to be Dragon she could be a great leader. She's still very young and for the amount or lack there of education, training and experience she's had, I don't think she has done to bad for herself at all. People like Tyrion and !arwyn could potentially become great sources of knowledge, experience and learning for her. Im not sure where GRRM wants to head with her in the story when it comes to theses two character but I do hope he has them meet and interact. I'm getting tired of all these near misses and almost but not reall (Aemon). It's kind of getting tiresome.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:30:07 GMT
Since I was posting my Stark love in the Stark thread, I came here to post some Dany love.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:52:27 GMT
Since I was posting my Stark love in the Stark thread, I came here to post some Dany love. Nice! Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 19:38:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 22:39:24 GMT
Targaryen appreciation thread does NOT have nearly enough posts. Shame on those who call themselves "Biggest Targaryen Fans" ... pfft. (That includes me) Time to represent! *Edit: @moiaf I would say I prefer just a "Targaryen Appreciation Thread" (Or just Daenerys) for the title instead of the one that's there. Just sayin' (and only so I can hype some of the other Targ members too!) The other Targs are irrelevant. There is only the one true queen, Queen Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, first of her name!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 22:42:37 GMT
All Hail Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, First of Her Name. Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men. Lord of the Six Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 15:19:02 GMT
Targaryen appreciation thread does NOT have nearly enough posts. Shame on those who call themselves "Biggest Targaryen Fans" ... pfft. (That includes me) Time to represent! *Edit: @moiaf I would say I prefer just a "Targaryen Appreciation Thread" (Or just Daenerys) for the title instead of the one that's there. Just sayin' (and only so I can hype some of the other Targ members too!) As you wish! Targaryen appreciation thread does NOT have nearly enough posts. Shame on those who call themselves "Biggest Targaryen Fans" ... pfft. (That includes me) Time to represent! *Edit: @moiaf I would say I prefer just a "Targaryen Appreciation Thread" (Or just Daenerys) for the title instead of the one that's there. Just sayin' (and only so I can hype some of the other Targ members too!) The other Targs are irrelevant. There is only the one true queen, Queen Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, first of her name! Preach!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 15:21:21 GMT
I requested this meta in Tumblr a while back but it's worth a read,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:16:58 GMT
Great read! Thanks for sharing that @moiaf! Good writer and very simple logic too. I have never really understood how readers twist the characters around so much sometimes. I do believe that after 20 years, it's bound to happen to some degree simply out of boredom and millions of people trying to come up with some new 'theory' that someone else hasn't already thought of first. Outdoing one another in theories seems to be the main game over on Reddit and after awhile I got pretty tired of that as well as the snarky attitudes there and elsewhere. Why must the series be insulted with bad jokes and even worse tinfoil theories? George is a smart man, we need to trust his writing.
But back to Daenerys!
I epecially liked this bit he/she wrote:
So true!
If Daenerys were in fact becoming like her Father, it would be a lot more obvious by now as it was with Viserys. He surely never thought himself mad and had a reason/validation for everything he was entitled to - not because he should be the ruler but expected to be the ruler. He was already well on his way to the cruel Targaryen madness long before his ending at Drogo's crowning him.
People look for reasons to dismiss Dany and suspect she's going to be another mad Targaryen but there just isn't enough solid evidence there compared to the long list of reasons she's not as outlined by the author of the essay.
Is Dany the perfect ruler? No. But who is? Has there ever been a king or queen who was perfect? There never will be. When you think of all the candidates for the iron throne, do you think any of them would do a better job than Daenerys? Would you want them to be on that throne? It is no privilege, it's a burden.
I love Jon Snow and I'm excited to see him come to his full character power after his resurrection, but I honestly do not want him to rule Westeros. Nor do I want any of the other beloved main characters. Only Dany. Because only she has led the life that requires a ruler on that cursed sharp throne to lead before taking it. She's already suffered so much and she knows the heartache of being a ruler who can do nothing to help those she thought she was trying to help with her decisions only to see it go the opposite way. She has tasted victory and she has tasted defeat. She has experienced betrayals and deep love and devotion from followers and lovers alike.
Who else should rule Westeros once the Others have come? Who has the ability to withstand great adversity and still stand even while many of your people are killed? Dany's had to see slave children crucified on crosses right in front of her eyes. She has weeped for those children, and the women she tried to save from rape by the Dothraki and more. She will be one who can still go on and do what needs done when the White Walkers kill entire villages of people in Westeros too.
She is not the villain and it's true... that should be obvious by now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:22:38 GMT
I've posted this elsewhere but it belongs here in the Targaryen tribute thread too. This scene never fails to bring tears to my eyes no matter how many times I watch it. That's how I know I have to take the Targaryen sigil over all others. I love the Starks and their house is endearing and beloved - of that I hold no doubts or criticisms and Arya is still my favorite of all the 'kids' overall - but it's when I read this in the book and then saw it come to life on the screen that I knew my heart belonged with those Dragons and their Mother. The minute Drogon bursts in over the arena in a ball of flame is when I always well up with tears. I don't exactly know why other than it's just so beautifully done and something I'd dreamed of seeing from my imagination. The music is so good too!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 22:37:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 16:21:32 GMT
Love this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 20:22:43 GMT
Yeah that's beautiful!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 20:35:41 GMT
A shame Dany won't ever see the beauty of her ancestors' kingdom's capital.
It'll be ash when she arrives.
But still, beautiful, truly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 14:11:51 GMT
Hmm, hmm...incest. Now there's a family who understand that value of, well, family. I do love my Targaryens. dragon2
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 15:10:39 GMT
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