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Post by day dreamer on Jul 31, 2015 13:50:42 GMT
Good. 7 felt to quick. Now do we have time for Stoneheart?
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Post by boojam on Jul 31, 2015 13:57:12 GMT
Good. 7 felt to quick. Now do we have time for Stoneheart? If Walder Frey shows up I think LSH will too, but that might not be until season 7 or 8!
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Post by Basil on Jul 31, 2015 14:15:52 GMT
Good. 7 felt to quick. Now do we have time for Stoneheart? She's coming, get hype!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:28:23 GMT
I guess I'm happy about this. I thought they might not have time to put everything in 7. Season 5 felt too rushed to me. I wouldn't want 6-7 to be that way. Moving the story along and rushing storylines isn't the same thing. Hopefully they'll take their time and have everything feel right. Season 5 felt rushed at times, and then at times felt like it completely stopped. That was my biggest issue with it. They crammed everything into the last 3 episodes (which were awesome), but there was a real lul in the middle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 17:16:47 GMT
My guess is once Mr. Martin got close enough to figuring out where he's ending TWOW and had the big sit down with D&D to go over the outline of events, it was decided there just wasn't enough time to wrap it all up in 7 seasons. Weren't AFFC and ADWD originally supposed to be just one book? This is probably history repeating itself where George has written so much great stuff it's just not possible to squeeze it all into one more season! This is GOOD news for both show fans and book fans IMO.
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Post by boojam on Jul 31, 2015 17:59:59 GMT
My guess is once Mr. Martin got close enough to figuring out where he's ending TWOW and had the big sit down with D&D to go over the outline of events, it was decided there just wasn't enough time to wrap it all up in 7 seasons. Weren't AFFC and ADWD originally supposed to be just one book? This is probably history repeating itself where George has written so much great stuff it's just not possible to squeeze it all into one more season! This is GOOD news for both show fans and book fans IMO. Do you think this will influence George? That is to NOT write 8 novels?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 18:36:53 GMT
My guess is once Mr. Martin got close enough to figuring out where he's ending TWOW and had the big sit down with D&D to go over the outline of events, it was decided there just wasn't enough time to wrap it all up in 7 seasons. Weren't AFFC and ADWD originally supposed to be just one book? This is probably history repeating itself where George has written so much great stuff it's just not possible to squeeze it all into one more season! This is GOOD news for both show fans and book fans IMO. Do you think this will influence George? That is to NOT write 8 novels?! No, because he can write far more in one novel than the show can put in one season - we already know this is what's caused some issues already with keeping things in sync. They've dropped a ton of material from the books trying to keep them within the relative same book to season timeline. That's why I think it may be ultimately decided to go 8 seasons. Not because George is going to write 8 books but because the books he *is* writing are so freaking enormous!
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Post by mattpeto on Jul 31, 2015 19:20:59 GMT
I actually don't think D&D care about what GRRM does with his books. They got the outline for the end-game and that's all they need.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 19:39:31 GMT
^Well, GrrM does make certain things up as he goes, so there're things that he'll probably make up for ADOS well after its equivalent season has aired. But that doesn't mean that they won't include the plot and character beats that he has developed for the last books. I imagine they've been aware of many of those for years now and have built towards them in the last few seasons. And I don't just mean the very end of things itself but specific character deaths that might happen a book earlier in TWOW or early in ADOS instead of late in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 19:54:19 GMT
I actually don't think D&D care about what GRRM does with his books. They got the outline for the end-game and that's all they need. Having the outline is one thing, but then George goes and adds a ton more details that are key-critical to that ending given and suddenly D&D have a writing problem. So it does matter. They will only cut things out that don't matter for the series ending or at least don't change the story in some dramatic way that it can't be omitted. At least, that's the way I keep figuring it. If fAegon, and Quentyn, and Lady Stoneheart, and Harry the Heir, and half a zillion other characters they've dropped thus far don't make a significant change to the outcome of the story then it doesn't matter. But what if George goes and throws them for a loop with changes between TWOW and ADOS that they weren't considering during the writing? What if leaving out Garlan Tyrell actually becomes a serious problem because he's somehow important to one of the main character's end-story? Just using that as an example because I remember reading in an interview somewhere George mentioned Garlan specifically as important to the Tyrell story. This can add a significant amount of material they suddenly need to add in for continuity to the ending. Hope this makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 20:19:37 GMT
Good. 7 felt to quick. Now do we have time for Stoneheart? If Walder Frey shows up I think LSH will too, but that might not be until season 7 or 8! Isn't he coming back this season?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 20:26:44 GMT
If Walder Frey shows up I think LSH will too, but that might not be until season 7 or 8! Isn't he coming back this season? Well, many of us assumed that when we thought s6 would be the penultimate season. Now who knows. It could be s7 that he shows up again in for his comeuppance. We'll see.
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Post by boojam on Jul 31, 2015 20:33:52 GMT
^Well, GrrM does make certain things up as he goes, so there're things that he'll probably make up for ADOS well after its equivalent season has aired. But that doesn't mean that they won't include the plot and character beats that he has developed for the last books. I imagine they've been aware of many of those for years now and have built towards them in the last few seasons. And I don't just mean the very end of things itself but specific character deaths that might happen a book earlier in TWOW or early in ADOS instead of late in it. We got five this season, four of which are not a surprise. One of which impacts the story going forward. Well maybe two if one counts Selmy as important to an arc even if he dies at Meereen. I am not talking about Jon Snow here! I think it would be strange if all the characters who died this season are still alive start of Dream! George has mentioned characters alive on the page who are not alive on the show, does he know that before a season starts? (One thing, GRRM has never said if those characters STAY alive!, on the page.) In fact does George , even if he does not write an episode know the story for a season now? I can't believe what happens is a surprise to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 20:37:52 GMT
We got five this season, four of which are not a surprise. One of which impacts the story going forward. Well maybe two if one counts Selmy as important to an arc even if he dies at Meereen. I am not talking about Jon Snow here! I think it would be strange if all the characters who died this season are still alive start of Dream! George has mentioned characters alive on the page who are not alive on the show, does he know that before a season starts? (One thing, GRRM has never said if those characters STAY alive!, on the page.) In fact does George , even if he does not write an episode know the story for a season now? I can't believe what happens is a surprise to him. GrrM still contributes to the writers' meetings even if he doesn't write an episode, so he's at least privy to the outlines for s6. I imagine if he asked, HBO would send him the scripts too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 0:44:26 GMT
Is the prequel definitely RR? I'd much rather Dunk and Egg tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 0:47:01 GMT
Is the prequel definitely RR? I'd much rather Dunk and Egg tbh. Well, HBO seems to want as much Westeros as it can get. So why not both? RR could only be a one-off miniseries. Dunk and Egg could be it's own show.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 1:14:34 GMT
Is the prequel definitely RR? I'd much rather Dunk and Egg tbh. Considering how much money HBO can earn from this series I think they'll be making GoT related material for years. And there's a rich market to choose from... Dunk and Egg, Robert's rebellion, Greyjoy rebellion? That way they could bring back Mark Addy, Sean Bean and Stephen Dillane would be awesome! Dance of Dragons? The Long night? All of these are possibilities. HBO would make a lot of money off of any of these...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 6:43:05 GMT
Is anybody else skeptical about the success of any spin-off series? The die-hard fans of the books would certainly tune in, but would non-readers give a shit about Rhaegar and Lyanna? Would they really get into a show without Tyrion, Jon, Arya, and Khaleesi? Hell, I spend a ton of time posting on a forum like this, but even I haven't bothered to read the Dunk and Egg stories.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 6:50:49 GMT
Is anybody else skeptical about the success of any spin-off series? The die-hard fans of the books would certainly tune in, but would non-readers give a shit about Rhaegar and Lyanna? Would they really get into a show without Tyrion, Jon, Arya, and Khaleesi? Hell, I spend a ton of time posting on a forum like this, but even I haven't bothered to read the Dunk and Egg stories. Well, people don't give a shit about any new character until they get to know them. So I think it would work like all of s1's intros did and all of the new characters' intros have subsequently. My guess is they'd have to focus on Ned and Robert early on in an RR miniseries though to give the audience a familiar-ish point in which to enter the narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 7:01:05 GMT
Is anybody else skeptical about the success of any spin-off series? The die-hard fans of the books would certainly tune in, but would non-readers give a shit about Rhaegar and Lyanna? Would they really get into a show without Tyrion, Jon, Arya, and Khaleesi? Hell, I spend a ton of time posting on a forum like this, but even I haven't bothered to read the Dunk and Egg stories. Well, people don't give a shit about any new character until they get to know them. So I think it would work like all of s1's intros did and all of the new characters' intros have subsequently. My guess is they'd have to focus on Ned and Robert early on in an RR miniseries though to give the audience a familiar-ish point in which to enter the narrative. I feel like the success of this show is lightning in a bottle. Its biggest strengths are the unique characters and unpredictable nature of the storyline, something a prequel or spin-off probably won't be able to replicate with the same success. We know how Robert's Rebellion ends, and it doesn't feature the Dinklage. I'd rather see this franchise end on a high note than a whimper.
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