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Post by Admin on Jun 26, 2016 23:15:32 GMT
I will forever be bitter if they don't do this. They bring Benjen back, Sandor back...this is the best twist in the books.It remedies the horrible writing of not having ANY vengeance for RW. The only explanation for not including her is jus some crazy misogyny. Come on they would find time. And don't tell me Benjen and Sandor are more important cause they are not yes, exactly. They avoided Aegon storyline but didn't give massive hints like with LSH, not to mention that everything is just the same except for her not there if she doesn't appear. I'd like to ask them why she hasn't appeared. Tell us: why and if it's definitive. And why. Some people argue that she is not there because is too late for her but actually it's the contrary, it's just perfect timing, and others also say it's too much fantasy or too much "resurrection". It's like: This is A song of Ice and Fire, the ending will not be political negociations with WWs, and they are pure magic. Benjen has returned as half-human, half-WW (and I love Benjen's return), and The Mountain is just an experiment, they drained all his blood, and ......what else??? I suppose he is not even human now. But ......until then..let's hype Honestly when I first read ASOS epilogue I had to re-read it. It was so amazing. I cannot even imagine the possible reasons for showrunners not to have her in, especially when they have so much filler. I so hope, more than anything, that they will positively surprise us tonight
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GreenChili
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 26, 2016 23:22:35 GMT
I so hope, more than anything, that they will positively surprise us tonight They will. They have no other option. If they don't, our universe will cease to exist. And our Lady from Bear Island will go after them. They would not want any of those two things to happen. Well, at least not Lyanna chasing them down.
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Post by meeraoftarth on Jun 26, 2016 23:23:32 GMT
yes, exactly. They avoided Aegon storyline but didn't give massive hints like with LSH, not to mention that everything is just the same except for her not there if she doesn't appear. I'd like to ask them why she hasn't appeared. Tell us: why and if it's definitive. And why. Some people argue that she is not there because is too late for her but actually it's the contrary, it's just perfect timing, and others also say it's too much fantasy or too much "resurrection". It's like: This is A song of Ice and Fire, the ending will not be political negociations with WWs, and they are pure magic. Benjen has returned as half-human, half-WW (and I love Benjen's return), and The Mountain is just an experiment, they drained all his blood, and ......what else??? I suppose he is not even human now. But ......until then..let's hype Honestly when I first read ASOS epilogue I had to re-read it. It was so amazing. I cannot even imagine the possible reasons for showrunners not to have her in, especially when they have so much filler. I so hope, more than anything, that they will positively surprise us tonight Me too!!! and jaime and Brienne have just met, haven't acknowledged their feelings, but director/showrunners have said "will they meet up again?", and they hate to love eachother but there's something there. as much as I don't like Jaime's characterisation these last seasons I love every single scene he has with Brienne, even this season, because it's priceless to see them together. What would be better than a cliffhanger/betrayal, one trying to save the other with LSH involved after that small reunion?
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Post by meeraoftarth on Jun 26, 2016 23:45:44 GMT
I so hope, more than anything, that they will positively surprise us tonight They will. They have no other option. If they don't, our universe will cease to exist. And o ur Lady from Bear Island will go after them. They would not want any of those two things to happen. Well, at least not Lyanna chasing them down. #LSH Remembers
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Post by meeraoftarth on Jun 27, 2016 0:28:34 GMT
everyone catch the train before it leaves!!! Tickets still available!!! #good evening #good night LSH TRAIN
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Post by Admin on Jun 27, 2016 2:16:46 GMT
well..let's hope there is another adaptation. Cause that finale was shit
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Post by Admin on Jun 27, 2016 2:28:13 GMT
No Brienne, No BwB, fuck it just so embarrasing
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 27, 2016 2:45:29 GMT
Really sad that the show did not do LSH. What a missed opportunity. I am glad Walder Frey is dead but it would have been so much better with LSH.
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Post by Admin on Jun 27, 2016 2:48:58 GMT
Arya killing Walder and serving those pies is so rushed and stupid, God I have no words
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 27, 2016 4:09:43 GMT
Sorry guys.
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 27, 2016 4:49:46 GMT
The Frey ending was not nearly as satisfying as it would've been with LSH. I'm going to try to erase it from my memory like I do with Stannis' death.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jun 27, 2016 5:37:42 GMT
The Frey ending was not nearly as satisfying as it would've been with LSH. I'm going to try to erase it from my memory like I do with Stannis' death. Me too!
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Post by Damorian on Jun 27, 2016 8:39:49 GMT
Well there she goes then. Forever lost. Our loss AND theirs. Wanted to be proven wrong that their Arya alternative felt earned, intelligently plotted, and not as though they pulled it out of their arses. But alas, the shakedown of those epic 20 mins. that opened in King's Landing and promised oh so much predictably meant plot squashing elsewhere. Not just because of who it was lacking, that was about as rushed a climax to the revenge arc on House Frey as they could possibly have come up with (i.e: even IN cognito, how/where/when does Arya off and cook the TWO sons without arousing suspicion? How did she have exclusive access to the kitchens? Oh, in that magical kingdom called "offscreen"? Oh, alright then. Guess there wasn't a spare couple of minutes that could be freed up from the ten minute chunk of protracted Dany/Daario/Tyrion farewell scenes to allude to either that or bloody Nymeria. AGAIN.) Bower = trolling, Jaime scene in woods = trolling, Irish Thrones = duped, imgur screen-capped MF interview = (very likely) 'shopped. As Walter White once said: "... so many lies, I can't even keep them straight in my head any more."
Of course, with all the time invested in this thing, I'll watch the final seasons ... and I s'pose no longer religiously following the show for a year through pre-production and casting at least means I'll have more time for my own creative writing. But a massive THANK YOU to the friendly guys n' gals here for making me feel so welcome. Despite the outcome, it's been a blast and who knows, I'll probably pop back at a later date (Comic-Con?) to see how all you folk are doing, even though my haunting of certain threads will cease (instinctual mantra: do not join the nut-jobs hoping for her to show up in S7... ) Oh, and by way of marking the fact that after three long (count 'em) years, our reader purgatory on this issue at an end, I offer you all – not pie - but a delicious slice of lie cake made from fresh glazed cherries, ashes of corn flour, a dash of lemon(cloak) and the ectoplasm of a thousand bogus news stories. Just reach into your screen and take a slice. Trust me. Ahem. Here's a screen cap from imgur ... See? Legit. Hugs 'n hearts, Damorian, U.K.
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 27, 2016 13:40:05 GMT
Just trying to put all the pieces together now. Alex Graves laid the groundwork for it, old article: "I was attached to it [LSH] because I established Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion last year in the story to rejuvenate her. I have no idea what they plan to do about that because honestly, it just wasn’t talked about. It wasn’t on the radar.""It didn’t come up in season four. I asked it last year in season three, when I was doing the Beric scenes. They said, “Oh, yeah, you know, that’s a whole thing that we’re just not sure what we’re going to do about.” That was the conversation."
They were probably knee-deep with writing Season 4 outlines at the time and that's when it was decided they weren't going back to the RL, and that probably sealed LSH fate. Graves had his blunders, but you can't blame LSH not being in the show on him, theorized that "I think the bottom line is that there was so much going on, at least from where I stood, that it wasn’t something to get into because, you know, when you get into taking Michelle Fairley, one of the greatest actresses around, and making her a zombie who doesn’t speak and goes around killing people, what’s the best way to integrate that into the show? "Correct me if I'm wrong, but Seasons 4 and 5 had little or none Riverlands material, at least nothing with the Freys or Tullys. The further the show got away from the Red Wedding, the chances dwindled away. D&D weren't sure about what to do at first, but ultimately thought it probably too late to bring her back. I feel bad for the LSH faithful around here. You guys deserve better. D&D really should just have said after Season 4, "she's out guys and we aren't doing that arc.". It will be curious to see what role is in the books now.
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 27, 2016 14:16:47 GMT
Just trying to put all the pieces together now. Alex Graves laid the groundwork for it, old article: "I was attached to it [LSH] because I established Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion last year in the story to rejuvenate her. I have no idea what they plan to do about that because honestly, it just wasn’t talked about. It wasn’t on the radar.""It didn’t come up in season four. I asked it last year in season three, when I was doing the Beric scenes. They said, “Oh, yeah, you know, that’s a whole thing that we’re just not sure what we’re going to do about.” That was the conversation."
They were probably knee-deep with writing Season 4 outlines at the time and that's when it was decided they weren't going back to the RL, and that probably sealed LSH fate. Graves had his blunders, but you can't blame LSH not being in the show on him, theorized that "I think the bottom line is that there was so much going on, at least from where I stood, that it wasn’t something to get into because, you know, when you get into taking Michelle Fairley, one of the greatest actresses around, and making her a zombie who doesn’t speak and goes around killing people, what’s the best way to integrate that into the show? "Correct me if I'm wrong, but Seasons 4 and 5 had little or none Riverlands material, at least nothing with the Freys or Tullys. The further the show got away from the Red Wedding, the chances dwindled away. D&D weren't sure about what to do at first, but ultimately thought it probably too late to bring her back. I feel bad for the LSH faithful around here. You guys deserve better. D&D really should just have said after Season 4, "she's out guys and we aren't doing that arc.". It will be curious to see what role is in the books now. My thoughts exactly. Them shutting down the LSH question at SDCC following season 4 really drives me insane, even more so, in retrospect. I am guessing LSH's role in the books is probably to drive a wedge between Jaime and Brienne and eventually kill Walder Frey (I hope so anyway) and then I suspect that Arya will be the one to give her mercy.
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 27, 2016 19:25:47 GMT
To lighten up the mood a bit, I dare to do a repost and hereby declare the "Bower mystery" officially resolved: And his master's name is... bureaucracy!
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Post by Admin on Jun 27, 2016 20:43:53 GMT
It's a big shame considering they introduced Euron to have 2 scenes and Benjen had in total 3 scenes. The whole thing about Arya would be fine if there was some buildup or logic - no guards anywhere, really?
In an episode with so many creepy things this would fit right in and at least gave us an opportunity to see Brienne and Sandor again. Bizarre.
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Post by kelly on Jun 27, 2016 22:19:25 GMT
Rant alert! The finale was even worse than I expected it to be, wanted to throw something at the screen. D&D just don't have the guts and the creativity to bring LSH in. They already have trouble with the existing characters. A part of me wants to riot and start a petition or something, to let them give us what we want . But then I realize this might be for the best, just imagine how they would f*** her character up anyway. We would be excited to see her, and a few scenes later we would regret it because they would find countless of ways to ruin it. So you guys still hoping for season 7 LSH? Technically there is still a way to write her in, but with Filthy Frey gone... It really was not satisfying at all to see his death. Not because of LSH not doing it, but it felt rushed... "Oh, almost forgot about the Frey guys, let's do this quickly" Characters spontaneously dropping dead left and right every time a new scene starts... I would totally make another video on how LSH should have done the RW 2.0, but it all feels kinda silly now. And thank you for the cake.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jun 28, 2016 1:01:11 GMT
Well. The show is just something to distract us. The true enjoyment comes from reading the books, that's for sure. Let's wait for our Lady there!
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Post by meeraoftarth on Jul 3, 2016 0:46:25 GMT
Arya killing Walder and serving those pies is so rushed and stupid, God I have no words just watched the episode. It was like a bad joke. I didn't understand it. With the leaks, I imagined shw would poison them, or burn them all, or kill some of them like the Little birds, I don't know, something less rushed and more creative. LSH would have top the episode (won't say I liked the episode, but I loved some parts of it). If Jon and Sansa had remembered Bran (he is the heir), we had had no Dorne (or at least not the image of Varys in the last scene that was supposed to be epic but looked like a MASSIVE PLOTHOLE because he had just teleported form Dorne), Arya killing Walder Frey without the "Frey pie thing" and more action/thriller; and LSH it would have been a really good finale.
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