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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 23:23:39 GMT
She ought to do something with all of the dragonglass while she's there btw.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 23:40:38 GMT
Dragonstone would be the most meaningful place to start. It's where the Targaryens lived pre-doom and post-doom and it's where Aegon the Conqueror planned his invasion from. And it's also the place she was born and it is technically her seat if Jon is actually legitimate, as she'd be the Princess of Dragonstone as opposed to Queen. It would be weird if she landed somewhere else first. And wouldn't it be weird for her to end up Princess of Dragonstone as opposed to Queen. I don't imagine she'd take kindly to that! I disagree. If someone came along with a better claim than she, I'm 99.9% sure Dany would recognise that and bend the knee*, if they pressed their claim. Above all else, Dany is pretty desperate to belong, and another relative would help provide her with that. She wants the throne because she believes it is her birthright and she wants vengeance on those who wronged her family, not because she's the power hungry bitch who wants it just for power like so many people believe her to be *With the exception of fAegon because I think while Dany will want him to be legit, I don't think she will believe him, but if she did believe him she would absolutely bend the knee.
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 24, 2015 3:31:00 GMT
I don't know, I don't see Dany bending the knee to someone so quickly. There would need to be a lot of negotiation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 3:37:42 GMT
I don't know, I don't see Dany bending the knee to someone so quickly. There would need to be a lot of negotiation. Jon Snow's Targaryen claim would have to be really strong and remove all shadow of doubt to his legitimacy for Daenerys to submit to his claim. She's been fighting since she was "little more than a child" (as Jorah put it) for her right and has been through hell and back. She's made mistakes but come out ahead in most all of her moves so far until the very end where she has her "coming-to-drogon" epiphany in the Grass Sea. Whatever happens with the Khalasar, it will only further strengthen her - whether in numbers or in power and fame who knows. She isn't going to back down easily once she does finally arrive in Westeros. I'm hoping, if the Jon Snow theories all turn out as fans predict, that they are allies, not enemies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 3:54:25 GMT
I'm thinking if she doesn't buy Aegon's story that she wouldn't be too inclined towards believing Jon's either. In some ways, though it's almost certainly fake, Aegon's comes off as a tad more convincing.
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 24, 2015 4:20:02 GMT
I'd like to see her convince the Khalasar to stop being crazy rapers, but I can't have nice things so....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 9:19:36 GMT
That's the thing though, if she believed them then she would bend the knee. She won't believe fAegon, but I would be surprised if (in the end) she didn't believe Jon. But who knows how things are going to pan out there, Jon probably won't even press his claim or want her to submit to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 11:49:09 GMT
I don't know, I don't see Dany bending the knee to someone so quickly. There would need to be a lot of negotiation. Jon Snow's Targaryen claim would have to be really strong and remove all shadow of doubt to his legitimacy for Daenerys to submit to his claim. She's been fighting since she was "little more than a child" (as Jorah put it) for her right and has been through hell and back. She's made mistakes but come out ahead in most all of her moves so far until the very end where she has her "coming-to-drogon" epiphany in the Grass Sea. Whatever happens with the Khalasar, it will only further strengthen her - whether in numbers or in power and fame who knows. She isn't going to back down easily once she does finally arrive in Westeros. I'm hoping, if the Jon Snow theories all turn out as fans predict, that they are allies, not enemies. I don't know how many people noticed this but in the World book we learned that King Aerys skipped over Aegon (Rhaegar son) and named Viserys his heir. Meaning the the line now goes through Viserys, not Rhaegar's descendants. Which means that Dany as Viserys heir has a real claimed to the thrones. Of course Targaryen women weren't allowed to inherit so that might be a wrinkle. Nonetheless she does have a legitimate claim to the throne.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 13:09:43 GMT
Dany will be in westeros at the end of season 6. i'd say...realistically they'll leave mereen by ep 7 or 8
I don't think euron will have much to do with KL in the show. he'll mainly be in to cause conflict in sams storyline and the tyrells
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 24, 2015 13:10:44 GMT
Jon Snow's Targaryen claim would have to be really strong and remove all shadow of doubt to his legitimacy for Daenerys to submit to his claim. She's been fighting since she was "little more than a child" (as Jorah put it) for her right and has been through hell and back. She's made mistakes but come out ahead in most all of her moves so far until the very end where she has her "coming-to-drogon" epiphany in the Grass Sea. Whatever happens with the Khalasar, it will only further strengthen her - whether in numbers or in power and fame who knows. She isn't going to back down easily once she does finally arrive in Westeros. I'm hoping, if the Jon Snow theories all turn out as fans predict, that they are allies, not enemies. I don't know how many people noticed this but in the World book we learned that King Aerys skipped over Aegon (Rhaegar son) and named Viserys his heir. Meaning the the line now goes through Viserys, not Rhaegar's descendants. Which means that Dany as Viserys heir has a real claimed to the thrones. Of course Targaryen women weren't allowed to inherit so that might be a wrinkle. Nonetheless she does have a legitimate claim to the throne. I don't think anyone denies Dany's claim to the throne. I just can't see her backing down and giving it to someone else without a fight. She could probably work WITH Jon, but she wouldn't turn everything over to him.
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Post by janicia on Jun 24, 2015 15:47:44 GMT
And wouldn't it be weird for her to end up Princess of Dragonstone as opposed to Queen. I don't imagine she'd take kindly to that! I disagree. If someone came along with a better claim than she, I'm 99.9% sure Dany would recognise that and bend the knee*, if they pressed their claim. Above all else, Dany is pretty desperate to belong, and another relative would help provide her with that. She wants the throne because she believes it is her birthright and she wants vengeance on those who wronged her family, not because she's the power hungry bitch who wants it just for power like so many people believe her to be *With the exception of fAegon because I think while Dany will want him to be legit, I don't think she will believe him, but if she did believe him she would absolutely bend the knee. I think it would depend on what they were offering her. Dany would never bend the knee to somebody that thought of her as a princess that he can arrange a political marriage for - she's just not going to accept the role of a submissive wife and mother. She would demand to be treated as a lord in her own right at the very least. Tensions with Dany might be one of the political implications of Cersei's Walk of Shame, actually. That is the kind of thing that Dany would hear about, and it could shape her dealings with Westerosi. Although though nobody in Dany's camp has ever liked Cersei, part of what was going on in that Walk was a patriarchy wresting power from a queen, and Dany could react very negatively to that. Also, once Dany has brought Unsullied and Dothraki to Westeros, assuming that is what she ends up doing, she will feel hugely responsible to keep them alive and help them prosper. I don't think she could submit to another claimant for the throne unless binding promises were made that her armies wouldn't be slaughtered, and instead were given generous lands. And Westerosi are not going to be at all happy about coexisting with the Dothraki or Unsullied. Dany might feel like she can only protect the lives she's responsible for if she becomes queen. Dany might even be right - no idea what Jon's Dothraki policy would be, but the Dothraki probably wouldn't like it. And neither the Dothraki nor the Unsullied would be at all keen on becoming subjects of somebody besides Dany. She could lose control of them by submitting to another king, and kick off another nasty war. I hope that Tyrion and Dany think some of this stuff through before they put a bunch of soldiers on ships. Though the probably eventual collapse of Mereen will probably force their hands and cause them to launch the invasion in a less thoughtful manner than one might desire.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 16:12:28 GMT
I am 100% sure Dany dies before the end and 89% sure that Jon won't take the Throne. fAegon also propably dies.
So, who becomes king after fAegon and Dany die?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 16:17:08 GMT
I am 100% sure Dany dies before the end and 89% sure that Jon won't take the Throne. fAegon also propably dies. So, who becomes king after fAegon and Dany die? No one. The IT is melted down and the Seven Kingdoms go their separate ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 16:39:14 GMT
Nah, it will be Tyrion, the first popular king (popular in the sense that the small folk want him there after he helps Dany and Jon save the world.)
Dany and Jon will fall in love and then sacrifice themselves in the saving, I think. I think Tyrion and the young Starks will be the survivors.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 17:20:38 GMT
I am 100% sure Dany dies before the end and 89% sure that Jon won't take the Throne. fAegon also propably dies. So, who becomes king after fAegon and Dany die? No one. The IT is melted down and the Seven Kingdoms go their separate ways. I also believed this, until I found out that GRRM has said that there will be Iron Throne and it's ruler in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 17:24:10 GMT
Dany and Jon will fall in love Gods no. Honestly I don't think Others will be killed or defeated. Driven back or bargained with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 17:45:50 GMT
Here's a great topic that may or may not tie in to Dany's future in Westeros: House Valaryon. I've taken their banner as my personal pledged house on the ASOIF reddit group and someone wrote this fantastic indepth article about them: offmichaelsbookshelf.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/high-tide-the-rise-and-fall-of-house-velaryon/House Valaryon was once a very prestigious and wealthy Valyrian family from the same line as the Targaryens (though lesser as they were not dragonlords) who came to Westeros and established sea-trading there even before the Targaryen dynasty took over. They had a very impressive fleet and their castle is on the larger island (Driftmark) near Dragonstone. Most of us (myself before I actually educated myself on the house) only know of the house through the infamous Valaryon bastard Aurane Waters who last we heard in the books stole an entire fleet of ships commissioned by Cersei (another of her brilliantly stupid plans) and has now set himself up as a pirate king in the Stepstones between Westeros and Essos. To me this was a HUGE clue that GRRM may write the bastard Valaryon into Dany's next chapters as House Valaryon intermixed (marriages/alliances) with the Targaryens for hundreds of years and would be staunch supporters of her cause and reclaiming Westeros. If Aurane Waters took those ships to Essos (choose whatever port would be best) - he could taxi Dany and her armies across to Dorne, or, more appropriately Dragonstone. His House Island is just next door and their fleet could drop anchor there very easily since both Dragonstone and Driftmark have been huge ship ports for hundreds of years. What do you all think of this theory?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 0:04:23 GMT
And wouldn't it be weird for her to end up Princess of Dragonstone as opposed to Queen. I don't imagine she'd take kindly to that! I disagree. If someone came along with a better claim than she, I'm 99.9% sure Dany would recognise that and bend the knee*, if they pressed their claim. Above all else, Dany is pretty desperate to belong, and another relative would help provide her with that. She wants the throne because she believes it is her birthright and she wants vengeance on those who wronged her family, not because she's the power hungry bitch who wants it just for power like so many people believe her to be *With the exception of fAegon because I think while Dany will want him to be legit, I don't think she will believe him, but if she did believe him she would absolutely bend the knee. Hi - Just wanted to set the record straight a bit as to my intended meaning. I don't see Dany as a power hungry bitch at all, quite the contrary. I do believe we have seen her want the throne 100% because she believes it is her birthright, and because she wants vengeance on those who wronged her family, as you said, not from any selfish, egocentric motives. But I do also have the sense that she would have difficulty stepping aside - just my sense of it, and I could certainly be wrong. :-S
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 10:10:58 GMT
Here's a great topic that may or may not tie in to Dany's future in Westeros: House Valaryon. I've taken their banner as my personal pledged house on the ASOIF reddit group and someone wrote this fantastic indepth article about them: offmichaelsbookshelf.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/high-tide-the-rise-and-fall-of-house-velaryon/House Valaryon was once a very prestigious and wealthy Valyrian family from the same line as the Targaryens (though lesser as they were not dragonlords) who came to Westeros and established sea-trading there even before the Targaryen dynasty took over. They had a very impressive fleet and their castle is on the larger island (Driftmark) near Dragonstone. Most of us (myself before I actually educated myself on the house) only know of the house through the infamous Valaryon bastard Aurane Waters who last we heard in the books stole an entire fleet of ships commissioned by Cersei (another of her brilliantly stupid plans) and has now set himself up as a pirate king in the Stepstones between Westeros and Essos. To me this was a HUGE clue that GRRM may write the bastard Valaryon into Dany's next chapters as House Valaryon intermixed (marriages/alliances) with the Targaryens for hundreds of years and would be staunch supporters of her cause and reclaiming Westeros. If Aurane Waters took those ships to Essos (choose whatever port would be best) - he could taxi Dany and her armies across to Dorne, or, more appropriately Dragonstone. His House Island is just next door and their fleet could drop anchor there very easily since both Dragonstone and Driftmark have been huge ship ports for hundreds of years. What do you all think of this theory? mmm very good! i didn't catch that. i think its very plausible that she could use him to transport her army. she doesn't need ships when she has drogon
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 14:58:26 GMT
Here's a great topic that may or may not tie in to Dany's future in Westeros: House Valaryon. I've taken their banner as my personal pledged house on the ASOIF reddit group and someone wrote this fantastic indepth article about them: offmichaelsbookshelf.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/high-tide-the-rise-and-fall-of-house-velaryon/House Valaryon was once a very prestigious and wealthy Valyrian family from the same line as the Targaryens (though lesser as they were not dragonlords) who came to Westeros and established sea-trading there even before the Targaryen dynasty took over. They had a very impressive fleet and their castle is on the larger island (Driftmark) near Dragonstone. Most of us (myself before I actually educated myself on the house) only know of the house through the infamous Valaryon bastard Aurane Waters who last we heard in the books stole an entire fleet of ships commissioned by Cersei (another of her brilliantly stupid plans) and has now set himself up as a pirate king in the Stepstones between Westeros and Essos. To me this was a HUGE clue that GRRM may write the bastard Valaryon into Dany's next chapters as House Valaryon intermixed (marriages/alliances) with the Targaryens for hundreds of years and would be staunch supporters of her cause and reclaiming Westeros. If Aurane Waters took those ships to Essos (choose whatever port would be best) - he could taxi Dany and her armies across to Dorne, or, more appropriately Dragonstone. His House Island is just next door and their fleet could drop anchor there very easily since both Dragonstone and Driftmark have been huge ship ports for hundreds of years. What do you all think of this theory? Aurane Waters stealing all the ships is one of my favourite things ever. I'll read the blog post now.
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