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Post by day dreamer on Jun 20, 2015 14:41:16 GMT
That actress would've been a good Arianne. Damn!
I'm with @fireandblood I hope they don't try to copy Mel too much. It's nice to see different types of these red priests. (shout out to Thoros)
btw is this thread for ALL casting news that comes up, or just this particular scene?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 14:51:37 GMT
That actress would've been a good Arianne. Damn! I'm with @fireandblood I hope they don't try to copy Mel too much. It's nice to see different types of these red priests. (shout out to Thoros) btw is this thread for ALL casting news that comes up, or just this particular scene? It's for all auditions tapes that leak this year, made in the hopes that there'll be more.
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Post by Kyrion on Jun 20, 2015 15:57:13 GMT
So if Dany is going to Herald the Lord of Light in Westeros who will the Faith Militan Back if not Aegon? They need a champion. This show better not make Dany loved with Dothraki and Red Priests in her midst.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 16:02:20 GMT
So if Dany is going to Herald the Lord of Light in Westeros who will the Faith Militan Back if not Aegon? They need a champion. This show better not make Dany loved with Dothraki and Red Priests in her midst. Tommen? He's weak and easy to control. Perhaps the Faith Militant doesn't want a king.
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Post by Kyrion on Jun 20, 2015 16:08:47 GMT
So if Dany is going to Herald the Lord of Light in Westeros who will the Faith Militan Back if not Aegon? They need a champion. This show better not make Dany loved with Dothraki and Red Priests in her midst. Tommen? He's weak and easy to control. Perhaps the Faith Militant doesn't want a king. They wont back Tommen, they already made enemies with him. He hates them, they taken prisoner of his wife and his mom, and theres a chance his incest is exposed. This is why GRRM introduced Aegon. Also, Tommen is innocent. If Dany attacks him, its evil and selfish and there is no reason she should, he had nothing to do with the fall of the Targs. Thus George Introduces Aegon, so Dany has a legitimate reason to take the IT. He is impersonating her dead nephew. It would just go against everthing the Faith stands for to back Tommen, they know he is a bastard. If the show wants to do that cause they got rid of Aegon and want to conserve the actors, they better make it highly believable. But it really kills the world believability and characterization of Dany to remove Aegon.
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Post by lordcarson on Jun 20, 2015 16:14:24 GMT
Tommen? He's weak and easy to control. Perhaps the Faith Militant doesn't want a king. They wont back Tommen, they already made enemies with him. He hates them, they taken prisoner of his wife and his mom, and theres a chance his incest is exposed. This is why GRRM introduced Aegon. Also, Tommen is innocent. If Dany attacks him, its evil and selfish and there is no reason she should, he had nothing to do with the fall of the Targs. Thus George Introduces Aegon, so Dany has a legitimate reason to take the IT. He is impersonating her dead nephew. It would just go against everthing the Faith stands for to back Tommen, they know he is a bastard. If the show wants to do that cause they got rid of Aegon and want to conserve the actors, they better make it highly believable. But it really kills the world believability and characterization of Dany to remove Aegon.Nah.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 16:16:01 GMT
Tommen? He's weak and easy to control. Perhaps the Faith Militant doesn't want a king. They wont back Tommen, they already made enemies with him. He hates them, they taken prisoner of his wife and his mom, and theres a chance his incest is exposed. This is why GRRM introduced Aegon. Also, Tommen is innocent. If Dany attacks him, its evil and selfish and there is no reason she should, he had nothing to do with the fall of the Targs. Thus George Introduces Aegon, so Dany has a legitimate reason to take the IT. He is impersonating her dead nephew. It would just go against everthing the Faith stands for to back Tommen, they know he is a bastard. If the show wants to do that cause they got rid of Aegon and want to conserve the actors, they better make it highly believable. But it really kills the world believability and characterization of Dany to remove Aegon. Yeah it would be completely wrong if Dany wiped out someone "innocent" who sat on her throne. What makes you think that if Tommen sat on the Iron Throne, Dany wouldn't attack him? She's no saint, she wants the throne as much as Stannis and she is ready to exterminate anyone who stands in her way. I can see the Faith destroying the crown on the show and trying to form a society where the Faith rules. In the show universe this is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 0:15:13 GMT
They wont back Tommen, they already made enemies with him. He hates them, they taken prisoner of his wife and his mom, and theres a chance his incest is exposed. This is why GRRM introduced Aegon. Also, Tommen is innocent. If Dany attacks him, its evil and selfish and there is no reason she should, he had nothing to do with the fall of the Targs. Thus George Introduces Aegon, so Dany has a legitimate reason to take the IT. He is impersonating her dead nephew. It would just go against everthing the Faith stands for to back Tommen, they know he is a bastard. If the show wants to do that cause they got rid of Aegon and want to conserve the actors, they better make it highly believable. But it really kills the world believability and characterization of Dany to remove Aegon. Yeah it would be completely wrong if Dany wiped out someone "innocent" who sat on her throne. What makes you think that if Tommen sat on the Iron Throne, Dany wouldn't attack him? She's no saint, she wants the throne as much as Stannis and she is ready to exterminate anyone who stands in her way. I can see the Faith destroying the crown on the show and trying to form a society where the Faith rules. In the show universe this is. Yes Tommen is innocent - BUT - Daenerys has every right to destroy Tommen "Lannister" since he was put onto the throne by a Father (or Uncle, whichever you prefer haha) who killed her Father and destroyed the Targaryen house almost entirely. And I'm talking about both Robert and Jaime there. Granted, her father was a mad man who burned people alive and needed to be taken out. But two wrongs does not make a right - so who would the people back? No one in King's Landing likes Tommen because of his incestuous parents. His Mother just walked naked through the streets and was disgraced. Their Queen they loved so much has been imprisoned for lying about her gay brother and the Faith Militant now rules effectively over at least King's Landing. I'm starting to formulate my own theories and I don't think Dany is going to go to King's Landing to start her Queen campaign. I think she will either go to Dorne or Dragonstone and take that as her ruling seat. Especially if King's Landing gets burned to the ground by Cersei and wildfire. EDIT: Just realized this was the casting leak thread and it went totally off topic, LOL. I'm just gonna roll with it. And to put it back on topic - I think it's very telling they are casting a role for a R'hllor Priestess to join Dany's court. This is very interesting indeed and may imply that yes in fact the true Red God (not that shadow shit Melisandre did) has something to do with the Fire side of the equation and maybe Dany and Jon are both Azor Ahai.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Jun 21, 2015 8:45:07 GMT
Sounds like Tyrion is going to make things worse, not better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 8:49:48 GMT
Sounds like Tyrion is going to make things worse, not better. In what way exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 13:06:12 GMT
Yeah it would be completely wrong if Dany wiped out someone "innocent" who sat on her throne. What makes you think that if Tommen sat on the Iron Throne, Dany wouldn't attack him? She's no saint, she wants the throne as much as Stannis and she is ready to exterminate anyone who stands in her way. I can see the Faith destroying the crown on the show and trying to form a society where the Faith rules. In the show universe this is. Yes Tommen is innocent - BUT - Daenerys has every right to destroy Tommen "Lannister" since he was put onto the throne by a Father (or Uncle, whichever you prefer haha) who killed her Father and destroyed the Targaryen house almost entirely. And I'm talking about both Robert and Jaime there. Granted, her father was a mad man who burned people alive and needed to be taken out. But two wrongs does not make a right - so who would the people back? No one in King's Landing likes Tommen because of his incestuous parents. His Mother just walked naked through the streets and was disgraced. Their Queen they loved so much has been imprisoned for lying about her gay brother and the Faith Militant now rules effectively over at least King's Landing. I'm starting to formulate my own theories and I don't think Dany is going to go to King's Landing to start her Queen campaign. I think she will either go to Dorne or Dragonstone and take that as her ruling seat. Especially if King's Landing gets burned to the ground by Cersei and wildfire. EDIT: Just realized this was the casting leak thread and it went totally off topic, LOL. I'm just gonna roll with it. And to put it back on topic - I think it's very telling they are casting a role for a R'hllor Priestess to join Dany's court. This is very interesting indeed and may imply that yes in fact the true Red God (not that shadow shit Melisandre did) has something to do with the Fire side of the equation and maybe Dany and Jon are both Azor Ahai. Even if Jon propably is AA, I still think we'll get Jon & WW vs Dany.
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Post by boojam on Jun 21, 2015 13:21:22 GMT
If Cersei was neutralized totally seems to me Tommen becomes irrelevant and it's the Tyrells Dany has to deal with. I am thinking KL will be irrelevant by the time Dany gets to Westeros.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 21, 2015 15:30:10 GMT
I like what this audition implies: bringing Dany's storyline into the whole "chosen one" scheme might suggest thet Azor Ahai might (finally) be a central theme in season 6.
If it is, it's easy to add this to the other details we have about season 6 and speculate a little further about what's gonna happen. For instance, if the One Who Was Promised and the Lord of Light were to be central themes of next season, it's gonna be very interesting to see how this might impact on Melisandre's role in Jon's storyline after she (presumably) revives him. Also, Riverlands are coming back, and (hopefully) the Brotherhood Without Banners with them, so Thoros of Myr might be explored a little more. It's a little early to jump on yet another LS hype train, but who knows.
With this new priestess in Mereen, we might end up having three Lord of Light-connected characters to bring the Red God's involvement in the plot to the next level: let's not forget that Azor Ahai is not even mentioned with this name in the tv series, and is mentioned as the Lord's Chosen only in relation to Stannis, so it would be a very nice thing to start hearing his name (or title, whatever) mentioned by other people around the world, in relation to Dany, Jon and whoever the hell Thoros thinks Azor Ahai'll be.
I know it's a bit early and vague, my point is that it'd be nice to see R'hllor and the Chosen One start being prominent next season in anticipation for the Great War against the WW.
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Post by evenstar on Jun 21, 2015 16:40:45 GMT
If Cersei was neutralized totally seems to me Tommen becomes irrelevant and it's the Tyrells Dany has to deal with. I am thinking KL will be irrelevant by the time Dany gets to Westeros. I think Tommen will be irrelevant simply because I suspect he'll die before Dany gets to Westeros. If not, I still think Dany will be taking on the older ones in the Lannister/Tyrell family, as Tommen is easily manipulated. Myrcella proved to be more mature and have more spine in 2 scenes than Tommen in a whole season. Granted, Tommen is younger. However, he was around the Game longer than his sister. As for the priestess Kinvara, I am very intrigued that Tyrion and Varys are more exposed to the prophecies about AAR/TPTWP. I wonder what they'll think about it. Tyrion doesn't seem the kind to trust those things.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Jun 21, 2015 19:24:25 GMT
Sounds like Tyrion is going to make things worse, not better. In what way exactly? Because Dany rode into Meereen as the savior for the vast majority of the population. The city in general turned against her. A lot of it, as emphasized by Hizdahr this season, was that she disregarded their culture and traditions. The real state of the city is unknown. It may not be totally against her, but it is at the very least polarized. If Tyrion's solution to the problem is to bring in more foreign stuff, a foreign religion to preach that Dany is the savior - half of the city that still sees Dany as a possible beacon of hope will be reinforced by the Red Priestesses and curiosity over how they can "see" things they can't, or things they shouldn't (Kinvara&Varys), but the portion turning against her would only be further inflamed by seeing these outsiders with strange powers as demon sorcerers. Many of those in the middle would be pulled both ways - the city would be more divided to the extremes. Bringing more foreign stuff into a city trying to reassert its own identity, to play the same card that was already played (Dany=Savior), is going to be an impossible pill to swallow, at least it should.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 21:45:47 GMT
Because Dany rode into Meereen as the savior for the vast majority of the population. The city in general turned against her. A lot of it, as emphasized by Hizdahr this season, was that she disregarded their culture and traditions. The real state of the city is unknown. It may not be totally against her, but it is at the very least polarized. If Tyrion's solution to the problem is to bring in more foreign stuff, a foreign religion to preach that Dany is the savior - half of the city that still sees Dany as a possible beacon of hope will be reinforced by the Red Priestesses and curiosity over how they can "see" things they can't, or things they shouldn't (Kinvara&Varys), but the portion turning against her would only be further inflamed by seeing these outsiders with strange powers as demon sorcerers. Many of those in the middle would be pulled both ways - the city would be more divided to the extremes. Bringing more foreign stuff into a city trying to reassert its own identity, to play the same card that was already played (Dany=Savior), is going to be an impossible pill to swallow, at least it should. I think the whole point is that Daenerys needs to leave Meereen, isn't it? I'm not sure why some like to dwell on the plot/intrigue of Meereen so much. In the book, the city is under siege and suffering from a plague, not to mention the leftover issues with Sons of the Harpy. Things are much more dire than they are in the show. I highly doubt anything Tyrion's going to do in early season 6 would or could be worse than was written in the books. He's probably a convenient plot device to get rid of the rest of that mess and pave the way for their exodus. And I fail to see how a priestess of R'hllor is a "foreign religion" considering Essos is where that religion is from and most prominent? It might be worth mentioning that in Volantis, Benerro preaches that Daenerys Targaryen is Azor Ahai reborn and encourages many to support her. On the show they've shown an anonymous priestess preaching about Dany being the chosen one in Volantis, which Tyrion witnessed and this new priestess being cast mentions. This theme is not new to the show nor is it 'foreign' in any way. The only people who think it's foreign are those in Westeros who follow the Seven or the Old Gods.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 23:17:40 GMT
Because Dany rode into Meereen as the savior for the vast majority of the population. The city in general turned against her. A lot of it, as emphasized by Hizdahr this season, was that she disregarded their culture and traditions. The real state of the city is unknown. It may not be totally against her, but it is at the very least polarized. If Tyrion's solution to the problem is to bring in more foreign stuff, a foreign religion to preach that Dany is the savior - half of the city that still sees Dany as a possible beacon of hope will be reinforced by the Red Priestesses and curiosity over how they can "see" things they can't, or things they shouldn't (Kinvara&Varys), but the portion turning against her would only be further inflamed by seeing these outsiders with strange powers as demon sorcerers. Many of those in the middle would be pulled both ways - the city would be more divided to the extremes. Bringing more foreign stuff into a city trying to reassert its own identity, to play the same card that was already played (Dany=Savior), is going to be an impossible pill to swallow, at least it should. I think the whole point is that Daenerys needs to leave Meereen, isn't it? I'm not sure why some like to dwell on the plot/intrigue of Meereen so much. In the book, the city is under siege and suffering from a plague, not to mention the leftover issues with Sons of the Harpy. Things are much more dire than they are in the show. I highly doubt anything Tyrion's going to do in early season 6 would or could be worse than was written in the books. He's probably a convenient plot device to get rid of the rest of that mess and pave the way for their exodus. And I fail to see how a priestess of R'hllor is a "foreign religion" considering Essos is where that religion is from and most prominent? It might be worth mentioning that in Volantis, Benerro preaches that Daenerys Targaryen is Azor Ahai reborn and encourages many to support her. On the show they've shown an anonymous priestess preaching about Dany being the chosen one in Volantis, which Tyrion witnessed and this new priestess being cast mentions. This theme is not new to the show nor is it 'foreign' in any way. The only people who think it's foreign are those in Westeros who follow the Seven or the Old Gods. Well, the Red God is foreign to Meereen. It might originate from the same landmass, but they don't worship R'hllor there at all and probably wouldn't appreciate it being forced on them. Their Ghiscari gods would not be pleased
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 21, 2015 23:31:58 GMT
I think the whole point is that Daenerys needs to leave Meereen, isn't it? I'm not sure why some like to dwell on the plot/intrigue of Meereen so much. In the book, the city is under siege and suffering from a plague, not to mention the leftover issues with Sons of the Harpy. Things are much more dire than they are in the show. I highly doubt anything Tyrion's going to do in early season 6 would or could be worse than was written in the books. He's probably a convenient plot device to get rid of the rest of that mess and pave the way for their exodus. And I fail to see how a priestess of R'hllor is a "foreign religion" considering Essos is where that religion is from and most prominent? It might be worth mentioning that in Volantis, Benerro preaches that Daenerys Targaryen is Azor Ahai reborn and encourages many to support her. On the show they've shown an anonymous priestess preaching about Dany being the chosen one in Volantis, which Tyrion witnessed and this new priestess being cast mentions. This theme is not new to the show nor is it 'foreign' in any way. The only people who think it's foreign are those in Westeros who follow the Seven or the Old Gods. Well, the Red God is foreign to Meereen. It might originate from the same landmass, but they don't worship R'hllor there at all and probably wouldn't appreciate it being forced on them. Their Ghiscari gods would not be pleased Aren't most slaves captured from somewhere else? Grey Worm says he's from the Summer Isles and Missandei is from Naath. It's possible that only the masters/ex-masters worship the Ghiscari gods, while the slaves worship the gods of their homelands.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 23:33:26 GMT
Well, the Red God is foreign to Meereen. It might originate from the same landmass, but they don't worship R'hllor there at all and probably wouldn't appreciate it being forced on them. Their Ghiscari gods would not be pleased Aren't most slaves captured from somewhere else? Grey Worm says he's from the Summer Isles and Missandei is from Naath. It's possible that only the masters/ex-masters worship the Ghiscari gods, while the slaves worship the gods of their homelands. That sounds about right. I'm sure the slaves would be very susceptible to this religious angle, especially those that already call Dany "mhysa".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 23:34:03 GMT
I think the whole point is that Daenerys needs to leave Meereen, isn't it? I'm not sure why some like to dwell on the plot/intrigue of Meereen so much. In the book, the city is under siege and suffering from a plague, not to mention the leftover issues with Sons of the Harpy. Things are much more dire than they are in the show. I highly doubt anything Tyrion's going to do in early season 6 would or could be worse than was written in the books. He's probably a convenient plot device to get rid of the rest of that mess and pave the way for their exodus. And I fail to see how a priestess of R'hllor is a "foreign religion" considering Essos is where that religion is from and most prominent? It might be worth mentioning that in Volantis, Benerro preaches that Daenerys Targaryen is Azor Ahai reborn and encourages many to support her. On the show they've shown an anonymous priestess preaching about Dany being the chosen one in Volantis, which Tyrion witnessed and this new priestess being cast mentions. This theme is not new to the show nor is it 'foreign' in any way. The only people who think it's foreign are those in Westeros who follow the Seven or the Old Gods. Well, the Red God is foreign to Meereen. It might originate from the same landmass, but they don't worship R'hllor there at all and probably wouldn't appreciate it being forced on them. Their Ghiscari gods would not be pleased No temple to the Red God is listed as present in Meereen like it was in the other cities, this much is true. I don't remember the Ghiscari actually having any sort of deity or religion - much of their culture forgotten over time due to their "mongrel" heritage of many races combined if I recall? Their main focus has always been slavery and the fighting pits. But by someone saying "Foreign Religion" I think of Essos as a whole, as we think of Westeros. Westeros has two main religions and many in the north consider the Seven a 'foreign' religion too, wouldn't you agree? Melisandre bringing R'hllor to Stannis was definitely considered foreign and extreme... blasphemously burning the Seven Gods at the start. But as for Meereen, I don't consider them particularly 'faithful' or religious in any way. They surely have priests of R'hllor in the city - especially since it's now being championed by the slave class as their savior. I took exception to that guy saying it's a foreign religion because it's much more likely the Red God is understood and prevalent there than any other religions, particularly Westeros ones. The God of Many Faces probably has some following there too considering the slaves probably turn to that one often.
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