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Post by Admin on Jun 8, 2015 19:46:56 GMT
Yeah and the bad ratings these show have should tell you that just darkness doesn't sell. The show needs to give us something positive. Tyrion killing Tywin and escaping, Dany triumphing, Arya escaping = all hopeful scenes. Jon being dead an episode after Stannis is now hated by almost everyone - bad move. Well ratings are an iffy thing. Salem is on a crap channel that a lot of people don't get and i think Hannibal would do great off of NBC. They did give it a bad timeslot last year. The reviews for Hannibal have been phenomenal so people do like "dark" content. Penny Dreadful is amazing and the ratings are terrible. True Detective was dark as fuck and was unanimously praised. All the outrage about Sansa and Shireen? And now Jon too? Unless something really positive happens this is an overkill of misery porn. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 19:54:09 GMT
Well ratings are an iffy thing. Salem is on a crap channel that a lot of people don't get and i think Hannibal would do great off of NBC. They did give it a bad timeslot last year. The reviews for Hannibal have been phenomenal so people do like "dark" content. Penny Dreadful is amazing and the ratings are terrible. True Detective was dark as fuck and was unanimously praised. All the outrage about Sansa and Shireen? And now Jon too? Unless something really positive happens this is an overkill of misery porn. Shireen will burn in the books and FTW already happened in the books. All we can do now i sit back and see the ratings and reactions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 19:58:09 GMT
The problem with predicting storylines is that we cannot really look at what has been foreshadowed and what not. D&D have a way of introducing and changing plots without any kind of preperation or basis and often against all rules of logic.  Everything is possible with this show and that drives me crazy. |
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Post by Shaena on Jun 8, 2015 20:54:42 GMT
All the outrage about Sansa and Shireen? And now Jon too? Unless something really positive happens this is an overkill of misery porn. Shireen will burn in the books and FTW already happened in the books. All we can do now i sit back and see the ratings and reactions. That may be true (although the Shireen thing is still a thing of a probably faraway future), but the books have also given people a hope that tables will soon turn for the Starks, while the Freys and the Boltons are already in an uneasy position and starting to get their comeuppeance. Compare that to the show's version of North Remembers with a repeatedly brutalized Sansa and an old servant lady who may support the Starks, but in the end does nothing of note and meets a terrible fate, while Sansa continues to be raped and beaten every night. And the Boltons seem to have all the the support of the North they need, they've apparently beaten everyone into total submission or nobody cares. Plus, Ramsay the evil villain and his twenty men possess superpowers, apparently. So yea, GoT is like a definition of a crapsack world atm. The evil seems to prevail all the time, good guys are killed off, beaten, raped, or become monsters, and there is little hope that anything will change any time soon. |
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Post by river on Jun 10, 2015 22:50:47 GMT
Someone on another board made the good point that if Stannis didn't burn Shireen in the books, GRRM would have come out with another big post about how the books and the show are very different, D&D are even darker than he is, blah blah blah. His silence on the matter is telling.
My sense that the episode will be "Internet-breaking" because it will be very dark: a lot of death, and not just characters that we like. It sounds as if every storyline will leave the characters in very difficult situations, or as the EW article put it, double-jeopardy overdrive (or words to that effect):
-Sansa/Theon: possibly still stuck at Winterfell under Ramsay's thrall, or escaping Winterfell during winter
-Stannis vs. Ramsay/Roose: someone's gotta go
-Tyrion/Jorah/Daario: stranded in a hostile city, deserted by their leader
-Arya: on Faux Jaqen's bad side and likely on the receiving end of some or other punishment for disobeying him
-KL cast: Cersei is broken and still facing trial, Loras and Margaery are still in trouble as well
-Jaime/Bronn/Myrcella: something "extreme" is going to happen, which makes sense given how weirdly anticlimactic the resolution to the storyline seems at this time
-Jon: FTW
-Dany: stranded in the middle of nowhere with a dragon she can't control, surrounded by hostile Dothraki
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 23:00:25 GMT
Someone on another board made the good point that if Stannis didn't burn Shireen in the books, GRRM would have come out with another big post about how the books and the show are very different, D&D are even darker than he is, blah blah blah. His silence on the matter is telling. My sense that the episode will be "Internet-breaking" because it will be very dark: a lot of death, and not just characters that we like. It sounds as if every storyline will leave the characters in very difficult situations, or as the EW article put it, double-jeopardy overdrive (or words to that effect): -Sansa/Theon: possibly still stuck at Winterfell under Ramsay's thrall, or escaping Winterfell during winter -Stannis vs. Ramsay/Roose: someone's gotta go -Tyrion/Jorah/Daario: stranded in a hostile city, deserted by their leader -Arya: on Faux Jaqen's bad side and likely on the receiving end of some or other punishment for disobeying him -KL cast: Cersei is broken and still facing trial, Loras and Margaery are still in trouble as well -Jaime/Bronn/Myrcella: something "extreme" is going to happen, which makes sense given how weirdly anticlimactic the resolution to the storyline seems at this time -Jon: FTW -Dany: stranded in the middle of nowhere with a dragon she can't control, surrounded by hostile Dothraki How many deaths do you think we'll see? Over/under 3? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 23:09:54 GMT
I'm going all out on my death predictions:
Jon
Meryn Trant
Bronn
Myrcella
Kevan
Pycelle
Stannis
Ramsay
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 23:18:45 GMT
I'm going all out on my death predictions: Jon Meryn Trant Bronn Myrcella Kevan Pycelle Stannis Ramsay Is Jon really going to be dead though? And is the ADwD epilogue happening? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 23:20:55 GMT
Momentary death counts I think. And I think the epilogue is happening, otherwise Varys would have shown up by now. He could turn up in Dorne I suppose, but the epilogue seems more likely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 23:27:38 GMT
Is there enough time though for all that in KL? High Sparrow/Cersei, WoS, probably a scene with Tommen or the Tyrells, and the epilogue?
Plus the stuff in Mereen, Dorne, Braavos, Winterfell, FTW?
And then maybe Yar/Balon/LSH too.
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Post by Admin on Jun 11, 2015 5:49:46 GMT
Is there enough time though for all that in KL? High Sparrow/Cersei, WoS, probably a scene with Tommen or the Tyrells, and the epilogue? Plus the stuff in Mereen, Dorne, Braavos, Winterfell, FTW? And then maybe Yar/Balon/LSH too. Confession is 3 mins tops, the walk - 5 maybe. Epilogue 4-5 mins? Probably no Tyrells. An obligatory 'she is such a loving mother' scene with Cersei - about 2 mins - so that's 15-20 mins on KL Dorne? 10 mins tops Braavos? 10-15 mins Meereen - 5-10 mins The rest will be WF and Wall |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 7:39:49 GMT
My death predictions:
Sure:
Meryn Trant
Pycelle
Kevan Lannister
Myranda
Jon Snow (not really)
Possible:
Ramsay Bolton
Daario Naharis
I think Daario releases the dragons and burns.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 7:41:33 GMT
My death predictions: Sure: Meryn Trant Pycelle Kevan Lannister Myranda Jon Snow (not really) Possible: Ramsay Bolton Melisandre Daario Naharis I think Daario releases the dragons and burns. Wow, I'm surprised you listed Melisandre as a possible death. Why do you consider her in danger of being offed? I agree with your for sure list other than Myranda - because I was so sure if she was going to have some shitty jealousy scene it would have been before the finale. Too many other important parts of the Winterfell puzzle to show instead of her scrawny spiteful face. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 7:43:29 GMT
Mel ain't going anywhere, folks. Sure y'all are mad at her but she's got a helluva lot left to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 7:46:37 GMT
Mel ain't going anywhere, folks. Sure y'all are mad at her but she's got a helluva lot left to do. Yeah I don't think Melisandre's going to die anytime soon either, that's why I was surprised Roose put her on his potential death list. Melisandre may be fucked up and even completely wrong, but she plays an important part in whatever is gonna go down in the next two books/seasons! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 7:49:42 GMT
Mel ain't going anywhere, folks. Sure y'all are mad at her but she's got a helluva lot left to do. Yeah I don't think Melisandre's going to die anytime soon either, that's why I was surprised Roose put her on his potential death list. Melisandre may be fucked up and even completely wrong, but she plays an important part in whatever is gonna go down in the next two books/seasons! I'd confidently say there's NO chance she dies on Sunday. Stannis and Roose going wouldn't surprise me though tbh. I think Ramsay might live somehow. I mean I love Roose and Stan much more than Ramsay, but Ramsay's very existence and villainy creates so much potential early-TWOW conflict and shenanigans that I can't rightly say that I wish him dead. Plus I kindof want unJon to kill him. |
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Post by Enid on Jun 11, 2015 7:50:19 GMT
Yeah, but, once Mel is done doing whatever she has to do, can Arya add her to the list of eyes "she will shut forever"? After all Mel said they'd meet again.
I just want Mel to die. Like, a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 7:57:43 GMT
Yeah, but, once Mel is done doing whatever she has to do, can Arya add her to the list of eyes "she will shut forever"? After all Mel said they'd meet again. I just want Mel to die. Like, a lot. If it's any consolation, she's probably already dead. Or at least not as alive as she appears to be.
I'm sure, given the interaction in ep. 306, that she'll run into Arya again somehow but I'm more inclined to think it's Jon who will kill her, not Arya, and that doing so will light Longclaw aflame...but really that's just my own crackpottery. All I really know is that she'll remain mega-important well into TWOW.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 8:17:01 GMT
Yeah, but, once Mel is done doing whatever she has to do, can Arya add her to the list of eyes "she will shut forever"? After all Mel said they'd meet again. I just want Mel to die. Like, a lot. If it's any consolation, she's probably already dead. Or at least not as alive as she appears to be.
I'm sure, given the interaction in ep. 306, that she'll run into Arya again somehow but I'm more inclined to think it's Jon who will kill her, not Arya, and that doing so will light Longclaw aflame...but really that's just my own crackpottery. All I really know is that she'll remain mega-important well into TWOW.
Nice reminder how she told Arya they would meet again - woohoo! |
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 11, 2015 8:22:37 GMT
So, apparently I'm still the only one not entirely convinced that FTW will happen this season...
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Everything is possible with this show and that drives me crazy.
