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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 13:13:32 GMT
Seems like a good list. I always liked Euron. Such a dynamic, interesting character. They cant possibly screw that guy up... *gulp* It would be so grand if Richard Armitage played him (someone suggested him on WotW)  I always hoped theyd get Mads Mikkelsen, but I think he's a little too out of reach. It'd be cool though. Richard Armitage could do it justice too though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 14:49:57 GMT
It would be so grand if Richard Armitage played him (someone suggested him on WotW) I always hoped theyd get Mads Mikkelsen, but I think he's a little too out of reach. It'd be cool though. Richard Armitage could do it justice too though. Mads would be great. Armitage is ok. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 18:03:16 GMT
Surely there are other Euron threads here?
This thread is for mourning the loss of Stannis Baratheon.. and of course massively simplifying his story line. Something so epic was turned into something so underwhelming. I will not forget that. I will not forgive that.
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2015 18:24:21 GMT
I'm fine with either they are both good actors and are so hot  |
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2015 18:25:04 GMT
Surely there are other Euron threads here? This thread is for mourning the loss of Stannis Baratheon.. and of course massively simplifying his story line. Something so epic was turned into something so underwhelming. I will not forget that. I will not forgive that. I'm sorry I got caught in briefly imagining being in a threesome with Mads and Richard. I'm grieving for Stannis so anything helps  |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 16, 2015 18:29:23 GMT
Surely there are other Euron threads here? This thread is for mourning the loss of Stannis Baratheon.. and of course massively simplifying his story line. Something so epic was turned into something so underwhelming. I will not forget that. I will not forgive that. You know, I don't believe in "D&D hate Stannis", but there's something strange here. He was written incredibly for half of this season. His time at the Wall was flawless and every word he uttered was perfect. Then he spent an episode off screen and returned in episode 7, still a Mannis, but in a kinda hopeless situation, then it all went downhill from there. It's like a different person wrote him in episodes 9 and 10. I don't think both D&D hate Stannis, but one of them might, and I think it's Dan Weiss. Benioff said once that Davos was one of his favorite characters, and one cannot like Davos without liking Stannis, it's impossible. Weiss, though, says in season 2 that Stannis would make a terrible king without question and that Renly is a much better choice, so it seems he's biased. Benioff usually talks about Stannis in a positive light in the Inside the Episode videos while Weiss focus on his negative qualities. We also know that they don't write an episode together, they usually write separately, so it's possible that Benioff wrote Stannis in the first half of the season while Weiss wrote him in the second half, which is why he was ruined in the end. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 18:40:14 GMT
Surely there are other Euron threads here? This thread is for mourning the loss of Stannis Baratheon.. and of course massively simplifying his story line. Something so epic was turned into something so underwhelming. I will not forget that. I will not forgive that. You know, I don't believe in "D&D hate Stannis", but there's something strange here. He was written incredibly for half of this season. His time at the Wall was flawless and every word he uttered was perfect. Then he spent an episode off screen and returned in episode 7, still a Mannis, but in a kinda hopeless situation, then it all went downhill from there. It's like a different person wrote him in episodes 9 and 10. I don't think both D&D hate Stannis, but one of them might, and I think it's Dan Weiss. Benioff said once that Davos was one of his favorite characters, and one cannot like Davos without liking Stannis, it's impossible. Weiss, though, says in season 2 that Stannis would make a terrible king without question and that Renly is a much better choice, so it seems he's biased. Benioff usually talks about Stannis in a positive light in the Inside the Episode videos while Weiss focus on his negative qualities. We also know that they don't write an episode together, they usually write separately, so it's possible that Benioff wrote Stannis in the first half of the season while Weiss wrote him in the second half, which is why he was ruined in the end. I've always thought Weiss hates Stannis. He always says negative stuff about him. BTW, I'm sure Weiss wrote the part about Brienne calling Renly the rightful king. This might explain why Stan is so good for the latter half of 4x02 (the dinner scene) but is horrible in the first one (burnings). |
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2015 18:41:28 GMT
These people need to get their shit together.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 18:47:21 GMT
These people need to get their shit together. Why? If you take their both's shit from the toilet and put them together, the smell would be awful. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2015 18:54:31 GMT
These people need to get their shit together. Why? If you take their both's shit from the toilet and put them together, the smell would be awful. Still more compelling to behold than Dorne storyline in s5 I bet  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 18:57:28 GMT
Why? If you take their both's shit from the toilet and put them together, the smell would be awful. Still more compelling to behold than Dorne storyline in s5 I bet True dat. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 20:00:10 GMT
Yeah, up until 507 I was so ecstatic that they were doing everything right with Stannis, then two episodes later D&D decide to undo everything and ruin him. That's not how the season's are written. They know how it will begin and end before they get started. So it wasn't decided after writing 507 they'd then "ruin him". It was decided he'd sacrifice Shireen before all of the episodes were written. (And probably as far back as ep. 210 tbh or whenever GrrM told them it'd happen). If you rewatch eps. 501 and 502 in particular you'll see there actually is a tremendous amount of setup and bookending for it (Shireen closing her eyes during Mance's burning, Selyse saying, "You don't know what people will do, all your book and you still don't know."). His scene in 504 which everyone loved, in retrospect was clearly meant to setup their scene before he burns her and how much doing so devastates and dooms him.
So much of the early season is Stan, Dave and Mel trying to convince to Jon to go along with them and, if he had come with them, they'd have had none of the problems they did. He'd know the land, he'd win Northern houses to their side and if needs be, Mel could've burned him instead of Shireen for his king's blood. As I remarked elsewhere, Jon and Stan not partnering up then and there doomed the both of them.
The problem of the weather was setup throughout the season. It didn't come out of nowhere in the writing. Stan referred to it in 503. LF in 504. Stan again in 505 and LF again in 506. It was stressed again and again and shown to not be some small problem but something that could scupper his entire campaign. And the Shireen buildup had been going on since ep. 402 (and in the books since the ACOK prologue). Stan betraying his family had been setup since ep. 210. All of these elements then came together in ep. 509 and 510. This was not some betrayal of the earlier part of the season, it was the payoff to it. People only expected differently, myself included, because we had a more benign impression of Stannis and how far he'd go than was actually realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 20:37:14 GMT
TBH if Stannis is gone, then the future is very dark indeed.
A Westeros without House Baratheon?
Then again we made do for nearly two years in a Westeros without house Greyjoy, so fair enough I guess...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 7:58:09 GMT
This happened  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 8:06:46 GMT
This happened And will in TWOW too.  
Of course it'd need Mel jumping off of the train at the last minute to be truly accurate to his derailing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 8:14:43 GMT
This happened And will in TWOW too.
Of course it'd need Mel jumping off of the train at the last minute to be truly accurate to his derailing.
The hype train derailed when he burnt his daughter. Then came the fall. I'm still convinced that Stannis won't sacrifice his daughter in the books. RIP Stannis Baratheon, the King who cared. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 8:18:44 GMT
And will in TWOW too.
Of course it'd need Mel jumping off of the train at the last minute to be truly accurate to his derailing.
The hype train derailed when he burnt his daughter. Then came the fall. I'm still convinced that Stannis won't sacrifice his daughter in the books. RIP Stannis Baratheon, the King who cared. To quote the man himself, "Come the dawn, we shall see." |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 23:09:17 GMT
When I started ADWD I thought to myself about nothing too crazy happened in AFFC so I need to brace myself, but I'd be okay as long as Jon Snow survived. Fuck. When I started season 5, I realized that the show would start diverging and spoiling moments from book 6, so no character was really safe; but, as long as Stannis and Barristan Selmy survived, I'd be okay. Fuck.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jun 28, 2015 21:10:31 GMT
Do you know what I like THE MOST about Stannis' storyline???// It is how much he accomplished and did useful things to the plot!!!11
Season2: loses big battle
Season3: wants to burn kid but doesn't
Season4: goes to bank but can't get allies (Davos does it for him), arrests Mance Rayder (ok this was important)
Season5: burns own heir loses another battle dies
People sometimes say that the reason Lady Stoneheart or Aegon got cut is because they will do nothing for the "bigger plot". But it is absolutely impossible to be more useless than Stannis. He has been there for 4 seasons and only affected the plot in ONE scene on season 4 (vs Wildlings). He wasn't even mentioned by other characters on other arcs this season (like how in the books his presence influences Cersei's decision to arm the Faith). No. He just BURNS HEIR and DIES. Talk about waste of screentime and character development.
3... 2... 1... "OH BUT YOU DIDN'T UNDERZTANDDD"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 21:54:59 GMT
3... 2... 1... "OH BUT YOU DIDN'T UNDERZTANDDD" Yeah, the flames are coming, book fans absolutely loved Stannis' story this year. |
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