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Post by Singer of Death on Apr 24, 2017 19:42:12 GMT
I think all these leaks are legit. But what I don't like and understand at all is to WHY show Jon pledges to Dany in front of all people? WHY D&D show it? To "degrade" Jon again and to show how females are super strong? I can see once again Sophie BSing males and saying that females are true leaders of this story again  I mean it was implied that Jon will never bend the knee again after being with Wildlings, he became KITN. And it is understandable that he is ready to relinquish the title for the sake of uniting people against the WWs. I undertand he will privately pledge to Dany in 6th episode in private. It will be like their own secret. But to pledge in front of everyone? Before Cersei? What for? If it happens I completely agree with Cersei saying that Jon is Dany's "pet northener". D&D once again bash Jon's character and show how allmighty Dany is. After this scene the reveal of Jon's parents will not be as impactful as it could have been. P.S. The question for me in season 8 is how will Tyrion, Varys and Dany react to news about Jon's real parents and who he really is. Will they question themselves (Tyrion and Varys) that they didn't support the true heir. Will Dany finally be able to change and for once question herself if she is not the one who must rule Westeros. I agreed. It's one of the things i really don't want it to be legit. If Jon is truly a legitimate child and his name is Aegon. I'm flipping my shit up cuz, again, badly written! But though at the same time, i just want to know how Dany will react to it. Looking forward for some juicy conflicts... |
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Post by GreenChili on Apr 24, 2017 23:06:29 GMT
I agreed. It's one of the things i really don't want it to be legit. If Jon is truly a legitimate child and his name is Aegon. I'm flipping my shit up cuz, again, badly written! Badly written because of the name, or the legitimization? |
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Post by Singer of Death on Apr 25, 2017 0:54:37 GMT
I agreed. It's one of the things i really don't want it to be legit. If Jon is truly a legitimate child and his name is Aegon. I'm flipping my shit up cuz, again, badly written! Badly written because of the name, or the legitimization? Somewhat both. Rhaegar already has a son who is named Aegon. So i don't see the point of having another son with the same name. Also, I doubt there's any reason that Rhaegar should marry Lyanna. I mean, if the purpose was to complete the three head of the dragons, i understand. But how would the legitimization of Jon affect the plot or prophecy? Does this have something to do with the ice and fire? Will his determine Jon as being the heir to the throne instead of Dany and this will rave some conflicts between the two? |
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Post by Damorian on Apr 25, 2017 11:11:59 GMT
At this point, with only two and a half months to go, I can't believe a proper trailer hasn't dropped yet. Y'know, with actual in-show footage instead of endless, footage-less teasers.  (as cool as the first was with the crumbling sigils, I found the one set to the James track tedious.) It's one thing for me to think, based on the Reddit leaks, that the plot reads kinda weakly, to picture the dragonpit scene looking like the sandstone arena in Attack of The Clones or that the CG-wight polar bear will be really "Golden Compass" (the uninspiring images currently stuck inside my head.) But at least some actual footage - however fleeting - might redress this and get me visualising those scenes differently. Very weird marketing affair from HBO this year - or one content to rest on its laurels at least, knowing just the basic awareness in the fanbase of the existence of a new GOT season sells and markets itself. Hope they sort it soon. I mean, we now have an (admittedly flat) Last Jedi trailer, and that's not out for eight more months!  |
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Post by kingeomer on Apr 25, 2017 12:20:21 GMT
It still just reads so ... blandly on paper. Like really bad fan-fiction. Convenient hook-ups (Sam/Jorah), zombie polar bears, you name it. This season is going to need some SERIOUSLY inspired directorial flourishes/execution not to flop hard like S5, imo - or like it, be one remembered for great scenes or single episodes in a pretty lacklustre whole (Hardhome in S5, etc.) Will a big naval battle and one act of dragon rezzing be enough to distract from an otherwise dull-ass plot? Maybe not. It might mean S7 is remembered for three moments: the series best sea battle, another jaw-dropping dragon scene, and fire fucking ice. But storywise? Only Jaime has a discernably strong arc. The massive Targ reveal on Jon's parentage already happened in S6, Cersei has nothing to remotely challenge sept-ogeddon in the wow stakes, and one wight in an arena doesn't amount to very much for a finale unless that wight's identity is a big deal and still under-wraps (a theory I possibly still subscribe to...) Elsewhere, the end of Thoros & Beric seems to have been basically contrived to give them an Avengers Assemble moment, Jorah is quickly healed, using Arya to off yet more big bads is becoming hugely anti-climactic, and no-one really cares what happens to the sandsnakes because they're the show's least liked characters. The Hound passing back through that farmstead in The Riverlands and burying the old farmer and his daughter is a plot point I really like. But that's one small scene, at best? The problem with splitting these big shows into smaller chunks and calling them full seasons is you end up with two halves that feel like halves (the first being the set up) instead of individual seasons. That was true of even the best of them: Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, Mad Men ... and based on such a sketchy plot (if true) what we have here may indeed turn out to be G.O.T: The Deathly Hallows Pt. 1 rather than something that discernably feels like its own entity. Or it might not pan out like that at all. Maybe on screen this thing will be fucking transcendent, the Reddit leaker was witholding stuff, and we're still missing crucial details. But my worry when they split these thirteen episodes was that they'd feel rushed and half-baked somehow, and so far, that's exactly how this feels. Besides it being a prelude to S8's WW invasion, where's the individual story punch this season is packing? I honestly can't find it.  I missed your post yesterday and you vocalize my concerns eloquently. Time will tell if these leaks are true and if they are, how they play on screen. It might be better on screen then on a computer monitor...that's my hope. I understand the leaks indicate Jon is legitimized via Rhaegar's anullment of his marriage to Elia but wouldn't the Martells be upset about that..annulling the marriage made his children from Elia illegitimate right? And how does everyone come to believe that this is true, especially Dany? Sam possibly healing Jorah from greyscale which was supposed to be incurable (though Shireen's seemed to dormant, so I guess Sam being able to heal Jorah isn't that far fetched?)...I have concerns and hopefully when the season airs, I won't have those concerns anymore. |
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Post by Singer of Death on Apr 25, 2017 17:16:51 GMT
It still just reads so ... blandly on paper. Like really bad fan-fiction. Convenient hook-ups (Sam/Jorah), zombie polar bears, you name it. This season is going to need some SERIOUSLY inspired directorial flourishes/execution not to flop hard like S5, imo - or like it, be one remembered for great scenes or single episodes in a pretty lacklustre whole (Hardhome in S5, etc.) Will a big naval battle and one act of dragon rezzing be enough to distract from an otherwise dull-ass plot? Maybe not. It might mean S7 is remembered for three moments: the series best sea battle, another jaw-dropping dragon scene, and fire fucking ice. But storywise? Only Jaime has a discernably strong arc. The massive Targ reveal on Jon's parentage already happened in S6, Cersei has nothing to remotely challenge sept-ogeddon in the wow stakes, and one wight in an arena doesn't amount to very much for a finale unless that wight's identity is a big deal and still under-wraps (a theory I possibly still subscribe to...) Elsewhere, the end of Thoros & Beric seems to have been basically contrived to give them an Avengers Assemble moment, Jorah is quickly healed, using Arya to off yet more big bads is becoming hugely anti-climactic, and no-one really cares what happens to the sandsnakes because they're the show's least liked characters. The Hound passing back through that farmstead in The Riverlands and burying the old farmer and his daughter is a plot point I really like. But that's one small scene, at best? The problem with splitting these big shows into smaller chunks and calling them full seasons is you end up with two halves that feel like halves (the first being the set up) instead of individual seasons. That was true of even the best of them: Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, Mad Men ... and based on such a sketchy plot (if true) what we have here may indeed turn out to be G.O.T: The Deathly Hallows Pt. 1 rather than something that discernably feels like its own entity. Or it might not pan out like that at all. Maybe on screen this thing will be fucking transcendent, the Reddit leaker was witholding stuff, and we're still missing crucial details. But my worry when they split these thirteen episodes was that they'd feel rushed and half-baked somehow, and so far, that's exactly how this feels. Besides it being a prelude to S8's WW invasion, where's the individual story punch this season is packing? I honestly can't find it. I missed your post yesterday and you vocalize my concerns eloquently. Time will tell if these leaks are true and if they are, how they play on screen. It might be better on screen then on a computer monitor...that's my hope. I understand the leaks indicate Jon is legitimized via Rhaegar's anullment of his marriage to Elia but wouldn't the Martells be upset about that..annulling the marriage made his children from Elia illegitimate right? And how does everyone come to believe that this is true, especially Dany? Sam possibly healing Jorah from greyscale which was supposed to be incurable (though Shireen's seemed to dormant, so I guess Sam being able to heal Jorah isn't that far fetched?)...I have concerns and hopefully when the season airs, I won't have those concerns anymore. Some people believe that Rheagar practiced polygamy to marry Lyanna while at the same time retain his marriage to Elia. The leak stated that Rhaegar and Lyanna married in front of the heart tree which stir a lot of people saying that the Old Gods did not accept polygamy nor the Seven Faith. And we don't know if every characters is going to know about Jon's parentage. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 26, 2017 20:53:50 GMT
I do believe that original Lads' leaks are legit (Lads2 is not Lads, I had PMd Lads back in October, I have opened another account to ask Lads2 about certain things that Lads told me then, Lads2 had no idea and it was impossible for him not to know or remember those, it was something original Lads himself suggested. I told this to people on "thehousewiththereddoor" but they don't believe me, whatever).
But I don't like the story based on Lads' leaks, either. My first thought when I read those in October was that most of the storylines seemed pointless. Cersei gets pregnant and miscarries, so it's only for drama, it doesn't lead anywhere. Jaime is on Cersei's side for one more season, but abandons her and goes to north eventually...drama, angst, that's all. Jaime stopped being Cersei's lover and servant before Riverrun in the books. Tyrion doesn't do anything, he is there for jokes and witty lines I guess, his storyline already got boring and pointless and apparently it's still that way. And what does Dany accomplish? She gives a dragon to the night king and has sex with her nephew; great accomplishments. Jon manages to prove WW at least, but his wight hunt is still pointless because it wasn't needed to convince Dany, she sees them when she goes to wall with her dragon, anyway, it would take a day for Dany to fly there.
Jon could accomplish something if he managed to convince Cersei to ally, but no, she doesn't send the army anyway, she would rather ally with the NK. Perhaps the only thing that Jon accomplishes is to make Jaime switch sides, but Jaime can't take the army according to leaks, he is only one man. LF dies in the finale without being able to do anything. Again, just drama, his arc in WF with Starks is pointless because he doesn't do anything. They could just kill him off last season and nothing would change. Arya kills the rest of the Freys, this one really annoyed me, because again, there is no need to continue that story, I already assumed that all Freys were dead in season 6 finale when she killed Walder and told him that she made pies with his sons. What's the reason of continuing the same story in season 7? Sam and Bran discover that Jon is legitimate, what's the point of assigning two characters to that job, doesn't Bran see everything anyway, and what changes if Jon is legitimate or not, he became the king in the north as a bastard, that was the point, he could become a king as a bastard...why did he have to be legitimate? If he would be the king in the end, he should have been as a bastard, in my opinion. Well he is already a king, the guy changed the rules. And it seems like they made his real name Aegon in the show because f/Aegon doesn't exist in the show and it is an easy name, close to Jon.
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Post by Singer of Death on Apr 27, 2017 0:46:11 GMT
I just discovered about kag1982 on free folk. Reading her recent comments and damn she's a crazy bitch.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 27, 2017 0:49:13 GMT
I just discovered about kag1982 on free folk. Reading her recent comments and damn she's a crazy bitch. i get no greater joy in life than triggering her every chance i get |
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Post by Singer of Death on Apr 27, 2017 0:55:20 GMT
I just discovered about kag1982 on free folk. Reading her recent comments and damn she's a crazy bitch. i get no greater joy in life than triggering her every chance i get Can you imagine how she would comment/react if most of what lads2 was saying is true?  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 27, 2017 1:00:26 GMT
i get no greater joy in life than triggering her every chance i get Can you imagine how she would comment/react if most of what lads2 was saying is true? hopefully she'd finally snap and check herself into a mental hospital |
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Post by Singer of Death on Apr 27, 2017 1:08:41 GMT
Can you imagine how she would comment/react if most of what lads2 was saying is true? hopefully she'd finally snap and check herself into a mental hospital Is she Linda in disguise? Cuz i swear her comments sound similar to Linda's tone and it is something she would say. lol |
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Post by GreenChili on Apr 27, 2017 22:17:13 GMT
I do believe that original Lads' leaks are legit (Lads2 is not Lads, I had PMd Lads back in October, I have opened another account to ask Lads2 about certain things that Lads told me then, Lads2 had no idea and it was impossible for him not to know or remember those, it was something original Lads himself suggested. I told this to people on "thehousewiththereddoor" but they don't believe me, whatever). Now that is interesting - why don't you tell us what this is about and why you do think they are not the same? |
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Post by Belle on Apr 28, 2017 2:42:21 GMT
It still just reads so ... blandly on paper. Like really bad fan-fiction. Convenient hook-ups (Sam/Jorah), zombie polar bears, you name it. This season is going to need some SERIOUSLY inspired directorial flourishes/execution not to flop hard like S5, imo - or like it, be one remembered for great scenes or single episodes in a pretty lacklustre whole (Hardhome in S5, etc.) Will a big naval battle and one act of dragon rezzing be enough to distract from an otherwise dull-ass plot? Maybe not. It might mean S7 is remembered for three moments: the series best sea battle, another jaw-dropping dragon scene, and fire fucking ice. But storywise? Only Jaime has a discernably strong arc. The massive Targ reveal on Jon's parentage already happened in S6, Cersei has nothing to remotely challenge sept-ogeddon in the wow stakes, and one wight in an arena doesn't amount to very much for a finale unless that wight's identity is a big deal and still under-wraps (a theory I possibly still subscribe to...) Elsewhere, the end of Thoros & Beric seems to have been basically contrived to give them an Avengers Assemble moment, Jorah is quickly healed, using Arya to off yet more big bads is becoming hugely anti-climactic, and no-one really cares what happens to the sandsnakes because they're the show's least liked characters. The Hound passing back through that farmstead in The Riverlands and burying the old farmer and his daughter is a plot point I really like. But that's one small scene, at best? The problem with splitting these big shows into smaller chunks and calling them full seasons is you end up with two halves that feel like halves (the first being the set up) instead of individual seasons. That was true of even the best of them: Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, Mad Men ... and based on such a sketchy plot (if true) what we have here may indeed turn out to be G.O.T: The Deathly Hallows Pt. 1 rather than something that discernably feels like its own entity. Or it might not pan out like that at all. Maybe on screen this thing will be fucking transcendent, the Reddit leaker was witholding stuff, and we're still missing crucial details. But my worry when they split these thirteen episodes was that they'd feel rushed and half-baked somehow, and so far, that's exactly how this feels. Besides it being a prelude to S8's WW invasion, where's the individual story punch this season is packing? I honestly can't find it. I'm sorry but how? It seems like all Jaime does this season is fight Cersei's wars and get his dick sucked and then turn a 180 in the finale because "oooohhhhhh no she's not going to help jon and dany"!!! |
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Post by Belle on Apr 28, 2017 2:46:17 GMT
I do believe that original Lads' leaks are legit (Lads2 is not Lads, I had PMd Lads back in October, I have opened another account to ask Lads2 about certain things that Lads told me then, Lads2 had no idea and it was impossible for him not to know or remember those, it was something original Lads himself suggested. I told this to people on "thehousewiththereddoor" but they don't believe me, whatever). But I don't like the story based on Lads' leaks, either. My first thought when I read those in October was that most of the storylines seemed pointless. Cersei gets pregnant and miscarries, so it's only for drama, it doesn't lead anywhere. Jaime is on Cersei's side for one more season, but abandons her and goes to north eventually...drama, angst, that's all. Jaime stopped being Cersei's lover and servant before Riverrun in the books. Tyrion doesn't do anything, he is there for jokes and witty lines I guess, his storyline already got boring and pointless and apparently it's still that way. And what does Dany accomplish? She gives a dragon to the night king and has sex with her nephew; great accomplishments. Jon manages to prove WW at least, but his wight hunt is still pointless because it wasn't needed to convince Dany, she sees them when she goes to wall with her dragon, anyway, it would take a day for Dany to fly there. Jon could accomplish something if he managed to convince Cersei to ally, but no, she doesn't send the army anyway, she would rather ally with the NK. Perhaps the only thing that Jon accomplishes is to make Jaime switch sides, but Jaime can't take the army according to leaks, he is only one man. LF dies in the finale without being able to do anything. Again, just drama, his arc in WF with Starks is pointless because he doesn't do anything. They could just kill him off last season and nothing would change. Arya kills the rest of the Freys, this one really annoyed me, because again, there is no need to continue that story, I already assumed that all Freys were dead in season 6 finale when she killed Walder and told him that she made pies with his sons. What's the reason of continuing the same story in season 7? Sam and Bran discover that Jon is legitimate, what's the point of assigning two characters to that job, doesn't Bran see everything anyway, and what changes if Jon is legitimate or not, he became the king in the north as a bastard, that was the point, he could become a king as a bastard...why did he have to be legitimate? If he would be the king in the end, he should have been as a bastard, in my opinion. Well he is already a king, the guy changed the rules. And it seems like they made his real name Aegon in the show because f/Aegon doesn't exist in the show and it is an easy name, close to Jon. I think Lads 2.0 is legit but i do agree with a lot of what you're saying. in some ways, season 7 almost seems like a filler season |
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Post by Damorian on Apr 28, 2017 12:47:08 GMT
Okay, maybe "discernably strong arc" is a little, erm .. strong. Lose the strong; he has a discernable arc ... or a turning point at least. To be fair, I don't think on screen it will play out quite as simplistically as you jibe/describe, since having Brienne at the dragonpit scene means that his about-face to do the right thing, abandoning his blind familial loyalties, will probably be tied to his nobler feelings for her somehow (or the better part of himself that their relationship represents.) In other words, not his cock. Then again, if it's a load of rushed and badly written semi-hardcore bollocks, it wouldn't surprise me either.  |
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Post by Belle on Apr 28, 2017 14:10:21 GMT
Okay, maybe "discernably strong arc" is a little, erm .. strong. Lose the strong; he has a discernable arc ... or a turning point at least. To be fair, I don't think on screen it will play out quite as simplistically as you jibe/describe, since having Brienne at the dragonpit scene means that his about-face to do the right thing, abandoning his blind familial loyalties, will probably be tied to his nobler feelings for her somehow (or the better part of himself that their relationship represents.) In other words, not his cock. Then again, if it's a load of rushed and badly written semi-hardcore bollocks, it wouldn't surprise me either. lol i was purposefully being a bit snarky there so sorry about that. sure brienne is a probably a significant reason on what makes him understand why the WW's are such a threat (besides just the demo in the dragonpit itself). but i still don't think spending the entire season basically being cersei's main soldier and lover is a good "arc". i would say that dany probably has a better "turning point" arc than jaime. she learns to let go of her lifelong ambition of the iron throne to to save the world from the WW's. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 28, 2017 15:33:13 GMT
Okay, maybe "discernably strong arc" is a little, erm .. strong. Lose the strong; he has a discernable arc ... or a turning point at least. To be fair, I don't think on screen it will play out quite as simplistically as you jibe/describe, since having Brienne at the dragonpit scene means that his about-face to do the right thing, abandoning his blind familial loyalties, will probably be tied to his nobler feelings for her somehow (or the better part of himself that their relationship represents.) In other words, not his cock. Then again, if it's a load of rushed and badly written semi-hardcore bollocks, it wouldn't surprise me either. lol i was purposefully being a bit snarky there so sorry about that. sure brienne is a probably a significant reason on what makes him understand why the WW's are such a threat (besides just the demo in the dragonpit itself). but i still don't think spending the entire season basically being cersei's main soldier and lover is a good "arc". i would say that dany probably has a better "turning point" arc than jaime. she learns to let go of her lifelong ambition of the iron throne to to save the world from the WW's. Does she though? First of all, she can't get the throne easily as she assumed, and in the finale Cersei still keeps KL and the Red Keep, that's probably the main reason why Dany starts considering a peace treaty. It's possible that she understands that Cersei will blow up the city rather than giving the throne to her, so it's not really she gives up on it because she doesn't want it anymore, but because she probably won't be able to take it, at least not without extreme violence and losses. And second, I doubt that leaks imply that she lets go of her ambition...it seemed more like she stops fighting temporarily because there is a more urgent matter, if they don't stop WW, taking the throne doesn't matter. And according to Lads Jon pledges to Dany, which means that Dany still considers herself the queen (of everything), they don't accept Cersei as their queen and in my opinion Jon pledging to Dany means that they (Dany) would still try to take the throne later, if they got rid of WW. Because why does Jon pledge to her otherwise, why doesn't she say that "no, no, I don't want the iron throne anymore, so we are both rulers, you in the north and I in Essos"? She doesn't say that. Well perhaps she will in season 8, but it's too early to assume that. There can still be a conflict between Jon and Dany in season 8. And don't forget that she actually opens the gate for WW by bringing the dragons to Westeros...so, I'm not so sure if we can describe her as the savior at the moment. Perhaps WW would never be able to cross the wall if Dany didn't bring the dragons to conquer Westeros and give an ice dragon to the Night King. So can we say that she didn't help WW, even if she decides to help saving the world from WW later? I don't think so. She contributed to WW's crossing the wall a lot and made them more destructive than ever by providing them a dragon. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 28, 2017 15:57:01 GMT
I do believe that original Lads' leaks are legit (Lads2 is not Lads, I had PMd Lads back in October, I have opened another account to ask Lads2 about certain things that Lads told me then, Lads2 had no idea and it was impossible for him not to know or remember those, it was something original Lads himself suggested. I told this to people on "thehousewiththereddoor" but they don't believe me, whatever). Now that is interesting - why don't you tell us what this is about and why you do think they are not the same? I can't prove it, so there is no point in discussing this, it's my word against Lads2. But long story short, I had a conversation with Lads back in October, I'm not a regular reddit user but I had opened an account to write Lads and I deleted the account after Lads left. In that conversation, he mentioned a pub in Belfast and I said I have been there before because I visit North Ireland and Belfast frequently. Well it's not all we talked but that's the part of the conversation that I can tell. Then when I heard about Lads2 on another forum recently, I opened another account to see if it's the same person. Well it's definitely not the first person I talked with. Not only he didn't remember anything about our conversation, which is impossible, but he didn't even know the name of the pub. I had given my phone number to first Lads, and when I mentioned it this Lads2 told me that nobody gave him any phone number, and he suddenly started acting like a paranoid person and claiming that people try to trick him, I'm one of those people and so on. The second one is a paranoid reddit loser, if you ask me. The first person I talked with didn't seem afraid of anything, it was an open person. This Lads2 acts like he has world's secrets and everybody is after him. |
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Post by Damorian on May 3, 2017 6:46:17 GMT
Ah well, Chris. Does indeed sound fishy, but guess we'll find out one way or another in a couple of months, huh? Thanks for your insights.  Man .... slowwwwww news week again. Hopefully that trailer drops within the fortnight ...  |
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