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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 8, 2016 16:38:55 GMT
I think the Tourney of Harrenhall should be a multi-part flashback sequence spread out across the entire season. It could be amazing. I'm about to write an essay so buckle up. PART ONE-THE FEAST: The Mad King Aerys sits at the High Table, with Queen Rhaella (I know she wasn't there in the books but I wanna see her so who gives a fuck) and Prince Rhaegar. In the hall, it would be like Easter Egg central. Arthur Dayne (@sati wink wink) would be dancing with his beautiful sister Ashara. Catelyn Tully talks with Brandon Stark, as Petyr Baelish watches. Cersei Lannister (what I said about Rhaella) and Melara Hetherspoon sit together, gossiping as they stare at Lysa Tully. Lyanna sits with her brothers Ned and Benjen, while Robert Baratheon tries to talk to her. Oberyn and Elia sit together. Jaime talks to Barristan Selmy. Prince Rhaegar sings a love song, and Lyanna cries. Benjen laughs at her, so she throws wine in his face and storms out. Outside, she runs into Targaryen soldiers picking on Howland Reed. She tells them to fuck off, and promises Howland she'll take care of them. PART TWO- THE KNIGHT OF THE LAUGHING TREE: The day of a melee/joust/whatever. Lyanna Stark is curiously absent. The three Targaryen guys harassing Howland Reed the previous night are involved, as are some other randoms and a mysterious knight wearing mismatched armor and carrying a shield with a smiling heart tree on it. The mystery knight defeats the three bullies. Howland Reed is pleased. The Mad King is unnerved by the masked warrior. Prince Rhaegar looks intrigued. Eventually, the masked knight disappears. The Mad King is outraged, thinking he is an enemy, and sends Prince Rhaegar out to find him. PART THREE- THE FIRST MEETING: After riding all night, Prince Rhaegar stops to let his horse drink from a stream several miles outside Harrenhall. He notices something downstream, a shield in the mud. It is the mystery knight's shield. Rhaegar finds Lyanna, in the mismatched armor, nearby. He confronts her, but she seems harmless, and the prince is attracted to her bravery. He lets her live, and rides away, and tells his father he found nothing. PART FOUR- THE QUEEN OF LOVE AND BEAUTY: Lyanna sits with her brothers. Rhaegar defeats Barrister Selmy in a joust. He takes a crown of blue winter roses, passes his own wife Elia, and places the crown in Lyanna's lap and names her the queen of love and beauty. Oberyn and Robert are outraged. Elia and Lyanna are both embarrassed. PART FIVE- THE ESCAPE: Almost a year later, Lyanna sneaks out of her bedroom. She runs into Benjen, who she tells she's going out to pray. She goes outside, and sneaks to the Godswood, where Prince Rhaegar is waiting for her. They kiss or whatever and ride off together. Rhaegar asks her if she's ever been to Dorne. tldr they should do it. Sorry for my essays lol I want to see this so bad!! It is the greatest story in this series thus far. I also want to see it just so I can go point and laugh at everyone on Westeros.org who told me I was stupid for being convinced that Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree.  Wait, wait, what? Sorry i'm late to the party, but there are people who actually don't believe Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 23:42:11 GMT
I want to see this so bad!! It is the greatest story in this series thus far. I also want to see it just so I can go point and laugh at everyone on Westeros.org who told me I was stupid for being convinced that Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree. Wait, wait, what? Sorry i'm late to the party, but there are people who actually don't believe Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree? Lots of them. LOTS and LOTS of them. And you know how fans of this fandom can get...you're not just wrong, you're ridiculed for being so wrong! A woman could never have won the tournament! The booming voice proves it was a man! Of course, most of those people were also denying that Jon was a Targ, so... |
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 9, 2016 0:58:02 GMT
Wait, wait, what? Sorry i'm late to the party, but there are people who actually don't believe Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree? Lots of them. LOTS and LOTS of them. And you know how fans of this fandom can get...you're not just wrong, you're ridiculed for being so wrong! A woman could never have won the tournament! The booming voice proves it was a man! Of course, most of those people were also denying that Jon was a Targ, so... Then who do they believe the identity of the knight? Howland Reed? Ned Stark? ASoiaf theories are the perfect example that drive people into insanity thinking they are smarter than non-nerds. It's pretty much who i don't listen to Preston Jacob's theories.In all seriousness, Lyanna can only be the possibility in order to match up the question of how Rhaegar and Lyanna came to meet. It also makes sense since Lyanna is very protective of Howland Reed and ran away, choosing not to identify herself to Robert and Aerys herself. So this fill in the plot point. Plus the people seems to forget that Lyanna is a tomboy and wants to be a knight. So chances are that she self-taught sword fighting in privacy. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 9, 2016 3:38:54 GMT
Lots of them. LOTS and LOTS of them. And you know how fans of this fandom can get...you're not just wrong, you're ridiculed for being so wrong! A woman could never have won the tournament! The booming voice proves it was a man! Of course, most of those people were also denying that Jon was a Targ, so... Then who do they believe the identity of the knight? Howland Reed? Ned Stark? ASoiaf theories are the perfect example that drive people into insanity thinking they are smarter than non-nerds. It's pretty much who i don't listen to Preston Jacob's theories.In all seriousness, Lyanna can only be the possibility in order to match up the question of how Rhaegar and Lyanna came to meet. It also makes sense since Lyanna is very protective of Howland Reed and ran away, choosing not to identify herself to Robert and Aerys herself. So this fill in the plot point. Plus the people seems to forget that Lyanna is a tomboy and wants to be a knight. So chances are that she self-taught sword fighting in privacy. a lot of the fandom likes to remember Lyanna only as the pretty girl with sad eyes and flowers in her hair. They forget she was also pretty badass. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 12:34:14 GMT
Lots of them. LOTS and LOTS of them. And you know how fans of this fandom can get...you're not just wrong, you're ridiculed for being so wrong! A woman could never have won the tournament! The booming voice proves it was a man! Of course, most of those people were also denying that Jon was a Targ, so... Then who do they believe the identity of the knight? Howland Reed? Ned Stark? ASoiaf theories are the perfect example that drive people into insanity thinking they are smarter than non-nerds. It's pretty much who i don't listen to Preston Jacob's theories.In all seriousness, Lyanna can only be the possibility in order to match up the question of how Rhaegar and Lyanna came to meet. It also makes sense since Lyanna is very protective of Howland Reed and ran away, choosing not to identify herself to Robert and Aerys herself. So this fill in the plot point. Plus the people seems to forget that Lyanna is a tomboy and wants to be a knight. So chances are that she self-taught sword fighting in privacy. I think the main forces behind this are 1) boredom, 2) lack of self-awareness, and 3) sexism. 1) Boredom: when you are obsessed with a story, but you don't have it there to read and finish, you make shit up. The more time passes, the more outlandish your theories become. 2) And that leads to lack of self-awareness. These guys get in their echo chambers arguing about the story for years and years and years and years. Things become so obvious with time and over-analysis, like R+L=J and that Tyrion, Dany, and Jon are the main characters, people decide those things are TOO obvious. They can't possibly be correct. They're cliche! They're not being self-aware and realizing they only think this because they've had too much time and discussion about this story. Reading the story once all the way through, these things would be twists, not super, super obvious to the point of being disappointing. 3) A segment of those people are just stupid sexists who don't want women in any sort of powerful role and can't accept it. /steps down off soapbox |
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 11, 2016 0:21:53 GMT
Then who do they believe the identity of the knight? Howland Reed? Ned Stark? ASoiaf theories are the perfect example that drive people into insanity thinking they are smarter than non-nerds. It's pretty much who i don't listen to Preston Jacob's theories.In all seriousness, Lyanna can only be the possibility in order to match up the question of how Rhaegar and Lyanna came to meet. It also makes sense since Lyanna is very protective of Howland Reed and ran away, choosing not to identify herself to Robert and Aerys herself. So this fill in the plot point. Plus the people seems to forget that Lyanna is a tomboy and wants to be a knight. So chances are that she self-taught sword fighting in privacy. I think the main forces behind this are 1) boredom, 2) lack of self-awareness, and 3) sexism. 1) Boredom: when you are obsessed with a story, but you don't have it there to read and finish, you make shit up. The more time passes, the more outlandish your theories become. 2) And that leads to lack of self-awareness. These guys get in their echo chambers arguing about the story for years and years and years and years. Things become so obvious with time and over-analysis, like R+L=J and that Tyrion, Dany, and Jon are the main characters, people decide those things are TOO obvious. They can't possibly be correct. They're cliche! They're not being self-aware and realizing they only think this because they've had too much time and discussion about this story. Reading the story once all the way through, these things would be twists, not super, super obvious to the point of being disappointing. 3) A segment of those people are just stupid sexists who don't want women in any sort of powerful role and can't accept it. /steps down off soapbox I totally understand number 1. If i'm waiting for R+L=J theory to be confirmed for about 10 years, i'm gonna go flip myself saying "Eh, fuck it. Lemme make a R+L=J&M and A+J=J&M for the sake of crackpot." I admitted i that i am part of the Jonsa shipping, but itsn't like i truly want it to happen. I can argue that there are hints that attribute to the shipping, but not like i want it to happen. Same with the A+J=J&M or other theories i enjoy. They are entertaining, but don't let it truly happen for the sake of narration plot. I believe the second reason is the biggest factor. Like you said, people are taking WAY too tight on how they invent the theories and how they interpret the texts to suit their own agenda. It's probably how theories like R+L=D happened due to this. If R+L=J is too obvious, then it should be R+L=D! Let's face it, even though it's too obvious for GRMM's "standards", we forget that we are hardcore nerds here who spend much time analyzing and picking up details than the casual viewers. The fact that we are given these holy internet for the community to make bridge definitely helps the case. Also, i don't see GRMM going over the plot twist too confusing and perplexing. Like if R+L=D is true, then who was the baby that Rhaella gave birth to at Dragonstone. Some false baby? Similar of fAegon situation where Dany is put to Rhaella's case? If so, then it's incredibly stupid. It's something that most people who were the fan of this theory couldn't rebuttal that and if they couldn't come up with a good arguments that can answer that decisive question, then the theory holds no water. Yes, R+L=J may be too obvious, but let face it, it's the only legitimate theory we have that explain Ned's questionable honor, Jon's mother, Rhaegar's motivation, and the truth behind Lyanna so-call abduction. May be too obvious, but if you read within the lore of the theory, it's actually more solid than you can take credit for. As for the third reason, if the sexism within the Asoiaf fandom this bad  ? I'm aware there are sexist people in the fandom, are they really that notorious? So much they wouldn't believe this such characters to be this or that due to their blatant sexism? Especially in Westeros.org? |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 11, 2016 1:04:23 GMT
If Kings Landing burns, I doubt D&D could resist sneaking a hint into another Bran visionscape.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 17, 2016 18:17:54 GMT
I wouldn't complain if we got a lot of foreshadowed hints from his visions. it would give us something to dissect.
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Post by day dreamer on Sept 10, 2016 2:59:02 GMT
I hope Bran makes it to Winterfell fairly early in the season.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 10, 2016 3:15:44 GMT
I hope Bran makes it to Winterfell fairly early in the season. Something tells me Bran will make it to Winterfell like the day after Jon leaves. |
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Post by day dreamer on Sept 10, 2016 13:52:36 GMT
I hope Bran makes it to Winterfell fairly early in the season. Something tells me Bran will make it to Winterfell like the day after Jon leaves. Ugh, no. I want him to show up when Jon and Sansa are both there. Doing so would help get Littlefinger out of Sansa's ear, IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 13:53:39 GMT
Something tells me Bran will make it to Winterfell like the day after Jon leaves. Ugh, no. I want him to show up when Jon and Sansa are both there. Doing so would help get Littlefinger out of Sansa's ear, IMO.Which means it ain't happening.  |
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Post by day dreamer on Sept 10, 2016 14:04:57 GMT
Whatever Littlefinger and Sansa are doing is already my least favorite thing and it hasn't even happened yet. I'm not here for Jon v Sansa, especially when Bran is technically the heir to Winterfell himself. Seeing him might bring Sansa back down to Earth if they really do play out her jealousy story line.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 10, 2016 14:15:37 GMT
Whatever Littlefinger and Sansa are doing is already my least favorite thing and it hasn't even happened yet. I'm not here for Jon v Sansa, especially when Bran is technically the heir to Winterfell himself. Seeing him might bring Sansa back down to Earth if they really do play out her jealousy story line. Honestly I feel like the show is intentionally blowing the whole "Jon v Sansa" thing way out of proportion. I could see her pouting for a few episodes, then getting over it. I doubt we're gonna see a civil war. |
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Post by day dreamer on Sept 10, 2016 14:29:14 GMT
Whatever Littlefinger and Sansa are doing is already my least favorite thing and it hasn't even happened yet. I'm not here for Jon v Sansa, especially when Bran is technically the heir to Winterfell himself. Seeing him might bring Sansa back down to Earth if they really do play out her jealousy story line. Honestly I feel like the show is intentionally blowing the whole "Jon v Sansa" thing way out of proportion. I could see her pouting for a few episodes, then getting over it. I doubt we're gonna see a civil war. I hope so. I was surprised to see the cast putting so much stock in it during the BTS footage because when I was watching, I barely sensed anything huge. Now I'm worried, especially with Sophie wanting to play "badass bitch Sansa" so badly. |
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Post by Singer of Death on Sept 10, 2016 15:08:54 GMT
We can all trust that the Stark conflict will be resolve in one or two episodes. That way, they won't have to drag this pettiness until the finale.
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 10, 2016 16:06:42 GMT
Whatever Littlefinger and Sansa are doing is already my least favorite thing and it hasn't even happened yet. I'm not here for Jon v Sansa, especially when Bran is technically the heir to Winterfell himself. Seeing him might bring Sansa back down to Earth if they really do play out her jealousy story line. I cannot like this post anymore than I do. Bran is the heir of Winterfell. Once he gets there, he should be King of the North and the Jon vs. Sansa nonsense should stop. I just hope when he does get to Winterfell (which he will, I am sure of it), he does not give up his right to Jon. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 16:17:05 GMT
LOL, why are all of you so against there being Stark tension? I love the Starks, so of course, I don't really want to see them spat, but tension is what creates story. If everybody gets along, they might as well just knock the wall down and have the white walkers come now. It's much more interesting if good guys are fighting good guys and we're confused about who to root for. Just my two cents.
Anyway, I think LF, Cersei, and Euron will be the main villains this season, so I definitely expect to see him continue to try to use Sansa against Jon. First he has to win her back. It's unclear if he'll be able to.
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 10, 2016 16:26:51 GMT
LOL, why are all of you so against there being Stark tension? I love the Starks, so of course, I don't really want to see them spat, but tension is what creates story. If everybody gets along, they might as well just knock the wall down and have the white walkers come now. It's much more interesting if good guys are fighting good guys and we're confused about who to root for. Just my two cents. Anyway, I think LF, Cersei, and Euron will be the main villains this season, so I definitely expect to see him continue to try to use Sansa against Jon. First he has to win her back. It's unclear if he'll be able to. You do make a good point. I just don't want it dragged out with 13 episodes left to go. I won't be surprised that if Bran makes it back to Winterfell that there won't be more tension. Sansa who thinks she should have Winterfell based on her getting the alliance with the Vale and being Ned's oldest child (perhaps we see some of Arianne's Myrcella should be crowned Queen after Joffrey's death plot here...Littlefinger instigated of course), Jon who will think that to hold the North together he should honor their wishes and remain King of the North...and Bran, who actually is the heir of Winterfell by Westeros right of inheritance. Bran might be surprised that Sansa and Jon won't step aside for him and the changes that each Stark kid has gone through has to play out in their interactions. |
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Post by day dreamer on Sept 10, 2016 18:09:42 GMT
LOL, why are all of you so against there being Stark tension? I love the Starks, so of course, I don't really want to see them spat, but tension is what creates story. If everybody gets along, they might as well just knock the wall down and have the white walkers come now. It's much more interesting if good guys are fighting good guys and we're confused about who to root for. Just my two cents. Anyway, I think LF, Cersei, and Euron will be the main villains this season, so I definitely expect to see him continue to try to use Sansa against Jon. First he has to win her back. It's unclear if he'll be able to. I'm just not interested in LF manipulating Sansa into a fight. Those two are the absolute worst together. He can try, fine, but Sansa still falling for it at this point is unbelievable to me after what happened with the Boltons kingeomer I could honestly see Jon trying to make Bran the KitN and Bran declining and just being Lord of Winterfell instead. That seems pretty in character for both. |
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