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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 8:07:29 GMT
Just realized via a youtube comment that the end credits music is the music from the latter half of Beric and Sandor's duel in ep. 305. Fitting really. Ramin is a god.
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 7:51:09 GMT
isn't everyone attracted to ncw? that has nothing to do with sexuality, it's just part of being human. His charisma is unparalleled. It's like young Han Solo-level charisma. I think Pedro Pascal puts him to shame.
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 7:35:50 GMT
Have you found the CV of the guy playing Aeron? I looked at it yesterday. It didn't credit him for GoT IIRC and if it did didn't specify in which eps. he appears. But the guy's name is Michael Feast.Yeah I saw his name on WOTW and googled his name, but I didn't find any useful info.
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 7:31:52 GMT
I think she'll maybe show up in 605, in the flashback. It seems they all will from their CVs. Even the guy playing Cassel. Have you found the CV of the guy playing Aeron?
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 7:28:04 GMT
You guys are forgetting Cheese Boy
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 7:16:40 GMT
I'm just still not 100% sold on Smalljon truly siding with Ramsay. I know he's fighting for the Boltons at SNOWBOWL, but it's possible that he changes sides during the battle, maybe right before/after Littlefinger shows up with the Manderlys. I was worried you'd get me with a TLDR gif. Because I wrote WAY too much shit just there. Unlike @alcasinoroyale you know how to properly structure a text
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 7:11:12 GMT
After ep. 602 and the promo for 603, I think the Snowbowl spoilers we've gotten make much more sense. In part now knowing how early in the season Rickon is given over to Ramsay (in 603) and in part now knowing that Fletcher from the casting calls will indeed be Wyman Manderly rather than just a fat Northern lord as an homage to the character and that the Manderlys are an important Northern house in the show with a big army of their own.
With the Smalljon betraying the Starks and Rickon this early on, it could only be in response to Jon letting the wildlings through the Wall. Previously a lot of us had figured we'd only meet Smalljon in 608 or something and Rickon would be turned over then. But knowing this happens earlier changes my perception of a lot of the spoilers. Firstly show Smalljon is basically a further representation of the sort of political intransigence Jon put up with NW guys like Thorne and wildlings like Loboda (the Thenn at Hardhome). He hates wildlings so much (and his House has traditionally) that he's willing to betray all else, like his loyalty to the Starks, to fight them. This fits with the bit in his casting call that "his hatreds run deep" or whatever the wording was exactly. I imagine part of his spiel we'll hear in 603 is that he feels his loyalty was conditional and that, unlike his dad, he's willing to stand against a Stark if it means backing a Warden of the North who'll face the wildlings with him.
Previously, before the Snowbowl spoilers, many of us had figured he'd be our Manderly stand-in and dramatically switch sides and prove to be actually loyal. Those proved this idea very wrong. Basically, like our young Lord Karstark, he's a massive weenie and disloyal turd. But the good news is we actually have a Manderly now.
This question of who's the worse threat the wildlings or the Boltons will come up elsewhere, I think. That is why Davos is bringing up the Long Night and the Army of the Dead and whatnot in his Bear Island scene from the trailers. All the Northern houses are wary of wildlings and probably initially unwilling to fight alongside them. Which is why silver-tongued Davos has to explain the greater stakes to them. Which will likely lead to him winning over many of the lords at that sitdown.
One question many of us had about the Snowbowl spoilers was why would Jon face a Bolton-Umber-Karstark coalition with his comparatively low numbers? I think them having Rickon answers this. Rickon will be mentioned in whatever showPink Letter we get. He will be a major motivating factor in rallying many of the loyalist houses to face the Boltons. If he'd only got Rickon late in the season this would be different. Rickon would be the wild card at the Snowbowl. But since he gets him in 603, this means that saving Rickon is probably a major factor in why Jon and his army meet Ramsay's when they do. I imagine a specific threat is made against Rickon's life luring them south and Jon away from the Wall. Maybe something like, "I'll kill him on such-and-such-a day unless you ______". Fill in the blanks as you may, I think this explains the urgency and why anyone would be willing to face those odds.
Also I imagine Ramsay will threaten Castle Black which will also make Jon understand that he can't stay there anymore. As in ADWD.
Now on to Manderly. Rams mentioned him in 602, so the Fletcher casting call is definitely for him. But we also know that there were no Manderly banners in Jon's group of loyalists at the Snowbowl. And that his army is big enough that Jon would likely be much larger if his men were there. So where is he? As a lot of us speculated yesterday; they're with the Knights of the Vale and Sansa. This makes sense in particular because of where White Harbour is located. It makes sense that if ships full of Valemen were to sail North, that's where they'd dock.
I don't know if he'll be at the big Northern lord meeting on Bear Island (which I think will be around ep. 606) and if that's when he'll give his speech...or if Sansa will teleport there later in the season, but he's perfectly positioned to be the reason she's not with Jon's group and the reason that the Valemen enter the North. So either she goes with him from Bear Island to White Harbour or she just goes to White Harbour to Bear Island after the first meeting of the lords to meet him in 608 or something... this would explain why the Manderlys merited mentioning in 602 as a major house, haven't sided with the Boltons by the time of the Snowbowl and weren't among Jon's loyalists either.
They are the port in the North nearest to the Vale (and IIRC Ned went that away when he was sneaking out of the Eyrie during Robert's Rebellion, as Davos learned in some ADWD chapter or another), so it stands to reason that's where Sansa would go after Bear Island and that's how LF, Royce and the Knights of the Vale find their way to the Snowbowl. So even if Manderly himself is just in the show to give a single speech, it seems his house will be very important nonetheless in the rundown of the Snowbowl. I'm just still not 100% sold on Smalljon truly siding with Ramsay. I know he's fighting for the Boltons at SNOWBOWL, but it's possible that he changes sides during the battle, maybe right before/after Littlefinger shows up with the Manderlys.
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 7:02:40 GMT
We got a new stableboy for your avatar now breakfest : Just please change that avatar and let me forget again that damn stableboy of season 1 ever existed What you got against the stable boy? He's like the first Sand Snake of the show
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 6:31:57 GMT
I wonder if this season we're getting another incredibly outrageous leak that makes us question our loyalties to the show. I was just re-reading the 509 speculation thread where we discussed the leak of Shireen's burning and I really hope we don't get something like that again. Doran's death was the closest thign to it so far, but eh it wasn't really a big deal as nobody cared about Dorne anyway. Well, I just hope I never get a reason to be as mad as this again
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 5:54:42 GMT
If that happens I swear I'll use a Jon Snow avatar for the rest of the season and never Ramsay again
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 5:52:02 GMT
I remember during filming that there was a lot of smoke coming from the Castle Black set, so is it possible that Mel burns all of the mutineers alive on Jon's orders, or would he just behead Alliser, Olly, and the mutineers himself. I would think that Ghost also rips Olly apart, but who knows. Oh R'hllor, please let this happen! Please!
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 5:29:20 GMT
This is why Roose never drinks
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Post by Nezzer on May 3, 2016 5:17:28 GMT
We got a new stableboy for your avatar now breakfest: Just please change that avatar and let me forget again that damn stableboy of season 1 ever existed
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Post by Nezzer on May 2, 2016 23:54:32 GMT
With his death it's natural that he realizes that honor and mercy has no place in the wars to come. He needs to be more practical and ruthless in order to achieve his goals, especially when dealing with Ramsay this season. He already started going down that path a little bit in season 5, showing no mercy to Slynt and being a very assertive LC. If he suddenly becomes a forgiving Jesus figure it would be a major step back in his characters development IMHO. I don't think he's going to become a jesus figure, (in fact i find the comparison annoying) because that again, would be a dramatic 'change' in character. I'm just saying, he'll be the same Jon we've always known, except maybe a little less forgiving and may take action sooner than he previously had, because he won't be bound by the words of the NW anymore. Like he waited until Slynt openly disobeyed him, i don't think he'll wait to execute the NW traitors. But he'll do it with honour. His character will be affected by dying obviously, but fundamentally i think he'll be the same Jon. I guess we'll have to wait and see next week! I think he'll maintain a sense of honor and duty, but there will be a new confidence, sense of purpose, and a streak of ruthlessness. I don't think he'll be anymore or less ruthless than he's been before. But i guess we'll see. You see, that's something he can't do if he's the same old Jon. That Jon wouldn't use this loophole to abandon the Watch and that's something that has to happen. I'm pretty sure the title "Oathbreaker" refers to Jon (to some other characters as well, but Jon will be the major reason for the choice of title).
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Post by Nezzer on May 2, 2016 23:29:14 GMT
I don't think that makes much sense. For example if he just goes and stabs Thorne, not giving him a proper beheading, then that is a significant change in character. I didn't really say he's going to change his goals. His goals are always going to be preparing the North for the inevitable WW invasion. He's going to get side-tracked, but i never thought his goals would change. I think he'll maintain a sense of honor and duty, but there will be a new confidence, sense of purpose, and a streak of ruthlessness. As long as he becomes a bit like Stannis I'm fine with it. I don't want him to be a Tywin or a Roose, just Stannis 2.0
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Post by Nezzer on May 2, 2016 23:26:41 GMT
tbh when Melisandre was cutting the hair, the first thing i thought was: "NOOOOO not the hair woman!!" I had the opposite reaction, thinking just "YES, man bun confirmed "
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Post by Nezzer on May 2, 2016 23:25:01 GMT
Nobody is expecting him to change his goals, only his methods. I don't think that makes much sense. For example if he just goes and stabs Thorne, not giving him a proper beheading, then that is a significant change in character. I didn't really say he's going to change his goals. His goals are always going to be preparing the North for the inevitable WW invasion. He's going to get side-tracked, but i never thought his goals would change. With his death it's natural that he realizes that honor and mercy has no place in the wars to come. He needs to be more practical and ruthless in order to achieve his goals, especially when dealing with Ramsay this season. He already started going down that path a little bit in season 5, showing no mercy to Slynt and being a very assertive LC. If he suddenly becomes a forgiving Jesus figure it would be a major step back in his characters development IMHO.
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Post by Nezzer on May 2, 2016 23:20:24 GMT
OH MY GOD, I just remembered something very important that I haven't brought up yet. Beard hair. Beard hair? Why did she cut off some of his beard hair too?!? I found that so fucking funny for some reason, it almost ruined the gravity of the scene for me. It was just a small trim, nothing major. His hair, though, he's definitely gonna need a man bun now.
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Post by Nezzer on May 2, 2016 23:15:53 GMT
If that was the case, what was the point of killing him? inb4 so he could be free of his vows and take the iron throne what's the point of him changing the essence of who he is and all he's stood for? Nobody is expecting him to change his goals, only his methods.
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Post by Nezzer on May 2, 2016 22:21:11 GMT
Hype
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