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Post by jonishenrytudor on May 26, 2016 21:03:02 GMT
If she dies in the first half of TWOW, then her whole resurrection was kinda pointless. I don't know, I don't think LSH was meant to have a long arc. She might stay alive throughout most of the book if Jaime and Brienne have multiple chapters. I personally think she will reunite with Jon for a final moment. Perhaps he gives her a mercy kill. But I don't think she will die for awhile.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on May 26, 2016 20:24:39 GMT
I get excited about any TWOW news, but I don't think the "news" today adds any hope we are getting it soon. He released a chapter he's read years ago. He acknowledges the book is haunting him "monkey", which we already knew. I'm holding out hope we get it before Season 7 Part II starts script writing, because I want more than his outline feedback on the show's ending. I think GRRM is really trying to finish TWOW before season 7 so he can publish another book while he can use the GOT hype to promote it. I would imagine if he thought that he could finish before S6, that he is close enough or within reach of finishing it this year. Time will tell.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Dec 22, 2015 17:38:02 GMT
GRRM is pissing me off again. Write your book dude. Yes. Thankfully the NFL is winding down....
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Oct 26, 2015 16:43:46 GMT
I am just lying to myself and calling for a Christmas release.....
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Oct 19, 2015 16:36:11 GMT
Thank you. (Belated...)
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Sept 9, 2015 23:41:58 GMT
I just want to point out that Alejo and Martin have a close relationship. Gimamesh is a really small publishing house and Alejo has been working with Martin for years, I trust Alejo judgement, he was with Martin in an event some months ago and if he is optimistic about a 2016 release is because he has reasons to be... I don't want to throw a wrench into anything but.... Given Martin's latest blunders in announcing release dates and modern societies ability to transfer information from one side of the world to the other, is it safe to assume that--even if Alejo and Martin are chummy--that Martin would request him to not speak of the publication? It is one thing to have fans toss dates around, but an entirely different thing to have a publishing house openly claim that they will be publishing WoW in Spanish by such and such date. Just my thoughts. Also. I have always been a firm believer that despite certain crumbs here and there, we really have no idea where Martin is in the process. No offense F&B, but can we really without a doubt know exactly where he is in the writing process? It is possible that he is already finished, and he continues using the "I am working on it" as a generic response? Whether it is likely or unlikely that we get the book soon, is really up in the air. I would suggest, however, that WoW will come out before S6 because I believe Martin will want to reveal certain aspects of his story before HBO. Time will tell of course.....
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 6, 2015 23:00:58 GMT
Yes I did hear some screeching as he was running away. My hearing is terrible, so I didn't catch what was said. A one liner from Edd would have been nice and all, but I think terrified screaming fit the situation better Yep. I just watched it closely. That was pretty great. I am sort of relieved that it appears that Edd will not be one of those involved in the FTW. I could be wrong, but Hardhome seems to have opened Edd's eyes to Jon's reasoning.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 5, 2015 19:47:31 GMT
That was the funniest moment of the ep for me I had to rewind that a couple of times because I thought I heard him yelling that but didn't think they'd do that - and they did, it's all kinds of awesome on top of W un Wun's "The fuck you lookin' at?" subtitles. Many fucks were given that scene. That was pretty awesome. The look on Wun Wun's face was great too. Although, It think he may be the only character to hold the same expression indefinitely.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 5, 2015 19:46:04 GMT
Can I use this space to say how disappointed I am that D&D did not take the initiative to fit in a Edd-ish line when Jon and Edd were looking up at the WW's and the wights ran over the edge? I feel so cheated. The world of one-liners was open to them for that very bizarre scene, and Edd remains a mute. Uh, well he screamed "OH FUCK". And it was absolutely perfect... Yes I did hear some screeching as he was running away. My hearing is terrible, so I didn't catch what was said.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 4, 2015 18:28:44 GMT
I agree. I don't want to get into the aspects of the hate for that episode, but it is wishful thinking to argue this. I personally don't get the purpose of watching a show that you think is garbage for the purpose of ridiculing it and stating how much you hate it. I don't get it. I don't have that sort of time to waste. Sort of like the people who hated Transformers 1 and 2, but continued watch 3 &4 and still complained of the same things. Oh my Wun Wun as a wight....really. There are some people upset that the WW did not kill Jon, and that it is plot armor that Jon is alive after the fight.....Well, it is That's not exactly a shade, though, because pretty much the entire cast of main characters are still alive because of plot armour Dam. I must have plot armor, I am 33 and still alive .
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 4, 2015 18:25:14 GMT
Hardhome had 7 million viewers, and we are just talking about the original airing. Wonder what will say the people who claimed the show was doomed after episode 6 Those people were retarded because even with it's lowest view count (on Memorial Day weekend which they usually skip) it still has more people watching than anything else on television so how can they even say it's doomed with a straight face? It's just dumb and wishful thinking on the part of haters who gonna hate no matter what. I'm pretty annoyed today because there are very few good video reviewers out there on youtube and it's surprising to me. There's a lot of solo guys who are smart and fun to watch, but the so-called 'big name' reviewers with their fancy broadcasting set ups and roundtable discussions SUCK so bad, I mean it's like chewing on chalk listening to some of those guys blabber on about "OMG why didn't the giant turn into a wight that would have been so much more badass!!" ..... VOMIT. I agree. I don't want to get into the aspects of the hate for that episode, but it is wishful thinking to argue this. I personally don't get the purpose of watching a show that you think is garbage for the purpose of ridiculing it and stating how much you hate it. I don't get it. I don't have that sort of time to waste. Sort of like the people who hated Transformers 1 and 2, but watched 3 &4 and still complained about the same things. Oh my Wun Wun as a wight....really. There are some people upset that the WW did not kill Jon, and that it is plot armor that Jon is alive after the fight.....
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 2, 2015 18:22:13 GMT
Can I use this space to say how disappointed I am that D&D did not take the initiative to fit in a Edd-ish line when Jon and Edd were looking up at the WW's and the wights ran over the edge? I feel so cheated. The world of one-liners was open to them for that very bizarre scene, and Edd remains a mute.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 2, 2015 17:11:11 GMT
I personally liked this better than WotW and much more than Blackwater. Here is why: 1. The back and forth between Cersei sniveling and the battle was/is too much of a distraction and annoying. It's about like watching a football match and right before Italia makes a goal (sorry chose my fav.)the network decides to break away to talk about toothpaste. 2. I felt the music in WotW was bizarre, and as much as I liked the Ghost scene it seemed that Ghost took out a couple people and laid down for a "cat" nap. There are some great moments in the WotW, but as a whole I did not like it better, but I do think it is better than BW. 3. This is probably the cement for me. We have almost nothing on the WW/Others in the books, and this is one hell of an entrance. I also enjoyed the wights, because the army of the dead that Sam sees initially reminded me of a pathetic 1970s zombie movie. My initial thoughts were "how the hell is that going to beat westeros". These new improved wights (yes I know some on the other forum are irate about it) look pretty dam awesome and actually instill into the audience a sense that a threat really does exist. Also. The scene kind of leans to an idea I have had about Jon's final scene. I am not sure if everyone has read it, and I don't want to assume so because this is a show thread but SPOILER SPOILER When Jon feels "only the cold..." I have leaned on two ideas, and they don't need to be mutually exclusive. First, I am certain that Ghost is on scene, which diverts the attackers and why Jon does not feel the 4th. I won't go into that here. Now obviously he feels the snow. But I also have the tendency to think that "only the cold" is Martin's clue that the Others have arrived. Sort of like in the King Killer Chronicles and blue light, but I won't add to that in case people have not read them. That scene suggests that the Others are close and ready to strike. It is possible that D&D have them harry the wildlings/NW back to the gate. My suspicion is that when Jon is attacked, at this particular moment the Others have arrived at CB. Now obviously I could be wrong, but Jon being stabbed while simultaneously three horn blasts signify the Other's arrival....that would end the season on a major "HOLY SHIT" note. This is not completely guess work, because I feel that Martin's "only the cold..." actually suggests that they have arrived. Ghost is also there, and I suspect he aids regardless. I hope this happens and Melisandre shows up and fight them in some cool way not with the power of boobs That would be cool. But I agree, if she tries to seduce the NK.......
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 2, 2015 17:07:51 GMT
Atreyu ---hahaha great image. Brandon Sanderson is the literary world equivalent to either a clean-up hitter or a closing pitcher. Perhaps one day when he is done finishing everyone's novels, he can write his own .
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 2, 2015 17:04:49 GMT
Just curious but why do people hate Linda? And I am assuming you are referring to Linda Ant.? You need to read this. Thanks. What a piece of work.... I do admit some of the things she says I can sympathize with, but not in the way she goes about it. (i.e. the slapping of labels onto people who disagree with you, i.e. you are racist because you don't like...., or you are sexist because....). Otherwise.....she seems a bit like a loose cannon. As a historian.....the idea of imposing our beliefs on a much earlier civilization is not reasonable. BUT again her approach is.....just wow..... Thanks for the link. I never paid much attention to that. I visit Westeros and now here during my "downtime" but very little else.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 2, 2015 16:45:56 GMT
I personally liked this better than WotW and much more than Blackwater.
Here is why:
1. The back and forth between Cersei sniveling and the battle was/is too much of a distraction and annoying. It's about like watching a football match and right before Italia makes a goal (sorry chose my fav.)the network decides to break away to talk about toothpaste.
2. I felt the music in WotW was bizarre, and as much as I liked the Ghost scene it seemed that Ghost took out a couple people and laid down for a "cat" nap. There are some great moments in the WotW, but as a whole I did not like it better, but I do think it is better than BW.
3. This is probably the cement for me. We have almost nothing on the WW/Others in the books, and this is one hell of an entrance. I also enjoyed the wights, because the army of the dead that Sam sees initially reminded me of a pathetic 1970s zombie movie. My initial thoughts were "how the hell is that going to beat westeros". These new improved wights (yes I know some on the other forum are irate about it) look pretty dam awesome and actually instill into the audience a sense that a threat really does exist.
Also. The scene kind of leans to an idea I have had about Jon's final scene.
I am not sure if everyone has read it, and I don't want to assume so because this is a show thread but SPOILER
SPOILER
When Jon feels "only the cold..." I have leaned on two ideas, and they don't need to be mutually exclusive. First, I am certain that Ghost is on scene, which diverts the attackers and why Jon does not feel the 4th. I won't go into that here. Now obviously he feels the snow. But I also have the tendency to think that "only the cold" is Martin's clue that the Others have arrived. Sort of like in the King Killer Chronicles and blue light, but I won't add to that in case people have not read them.
That scene suggests that the Others are close and ready to strike. It is possible that D&D have them harry the wildlings/NW back to the gate. My suspicion is that when Jon is attacked, at this particular moment the Others have arrived at CB. Now obviously I could be wrong, but Jon being stabbed while simultaneously three horn blasts signify the Other's arrival....that would end the season on a major "HOLY SHIT" note. This is not completely guess work, because I feel that Martin's "only the cold..." actually suggests that they have arrived. Ghost is also there, and I suspect he aids regardless.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 1, 2015 17:44:27 GMT
As are you. In that scene, you have to take the visual elements in as well. I don't really have time right now to lay out a lengthy argument, but the tone is significantly different from Jon's tone among other nuanced differences in their approach. I don't see why you're comparing her tone with Jon's though. Jon's situation is 100% different, so of course he would approach it differently. Dany might have a desire for the Iron Throne, but that is motivated both by her desire to finally have a home and a place to belong and the same sense of entitlement that every noble of Westeros has. Anyway, it is pretty evident that Dany cares about the commonfolk first and foremost, to deny that is silly. If you don't feel like Dany gave off altruistic vibes in that scene then blame Emilia Clarke, she has played her like that in near enough every episode since season 2, and that is not because Dany is going to turn into the crazed psycho you think she's going to become. Imagery is everything. We have two scenes talking about uniting with people who were enemies of the past. Jon's tone suggests a willing unification for the good of all. Dany's suggest something completely different. I think one folly that fans make is assuming D&D are idiots before their entire "masterpiece" is laid out. No the situations are not that different. We have one person who is fighting for everyone, and another who is fighting for herself even if taking the commoners along with her. Tyrion tells her that she needs the leaders of Westeros, but then she immediately reverts to her wheel speech. Jon is informed about deaths on both sides, and he still calls for peace for the greater good. Jon plans on living peacefully after i.e. farm the gift. Unless you are suggesting that after the war Westerosi soldiers surround the wildlings and butcher them? Dany intends on crushing the noble houses, and there is very little in the books or show to suggest otherwise. The point is, we have two individuals whom are approaching similar situations in very different ways. As far as blaming EC, maybe not. They have the entire story and know how Dany turns out. We do not. They know more about Dany's arc than we do, and that may be a tough pill for some to swallow. I am not arguing that she becomes psycho, but that doesn't mean she becomes the savior of Westeros as well. But before this turns into a bashing thread, let's just leave it. It is clear you like her character and I do not; we both are reading her character in two different ways.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 1, 2015 17:21:04 GMT
I saw this scene and an interesting paradox to Jon's scene. Even with Tyrion's initial advice, Dany still calls to destroy her enemies (the Wheel comment). Personally the scene made my skin crawl. Yet we see Jon, in spite of thousands of years of animosity, attempting to forget the loss of life and unite. It essentially boiled down to ignore the past and unify vs. live in the past and have that dictate the future type scenario. I won't go into Jon's scene here because that would divert the OP, but I thought it was an interesting comparison, and a purposeful one at that. Both characters were confronted with issues of their past enemies, yet only one saw the bigger picture. Those of you who are members on westeros probably know that I dislike Dany, and this scene gave me hope that she will ignore even the best advice and slowly trickle into an antagonist role. It seems that Dany will take Tyrion's advice, so long as it fits her plans and pushes them forward otherwise she will not. Obviously he can persuade her, but at the moment it still seems as if she is bent on destruction regardless of what he says. What makes me curious is that if Dany continues down the Fire and Blood path, will Tyrion flee? He seemed rather perturbed by some of her responses. I think you completely misunderstood the wheel speech. It was not Dany stating her intent to kill her enemies, and even if it were, so what? Jon's situation is entirely different wherein he has no choice but to forge a bond with a previous enemy in order to defeat a common one. Jon would absolutely not be so amiable with the wildlings if the situation wasn't so desperate. The wheel speech was Dany stating her intent to destroy the system, not the people in it, because the system is detrimental to the commonfolk, who are the people she has been fighting for since the day she sacked Astapor. I think you're viewing this scene from quite a biased perspective, which has coloured your interpretation a little for the worse. As are you. In that scene, you have to take the visual elements in as well. I don't really have time right now to lay out a lengthy argument, but the tone is significantly different from Jon's tone among other nuanced differences in their approach.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 1, 2015 17:16:18 GMT
Oh I agree. What I was more or less pointing at is that I don't see Dany taking his advice unless it fits her plan, even if it is destructive. If she does not heed to his words about finding common ground, it seems that he would become rather uncomfortable with her. Or maybe not. "Break the Wheel" - Yes I see that as well, but the way she says it suggests that she plans on eliminating (killing/executing the nobility) the houses and creating something of an absolute monarchy more common with Louis XIV's France. I think you completely misunderstood the scene. But just one point I'll make, if she's intent on killing all the spokes on the wheel, she's intent on killing her own house, which by the way is all but dead. They were part of the spokes she was speaking of. Of course the spokes are the system that crushes everything and everyone who doesn't have the power to stop from being crushed by it, much like the slaving wheel in Slaver's Bay. Perhaps but I don't necessarily think by crushing the wheel she means to crush her spoke. Conveniently, I think in her mind she will emerge on top, but instead of going round-and-round, she will crush the other houses while on top. You can break a wheel without break all of the wheel. I am taking her tone, facial expressions, and words in combination. There was nothing in the that scene that suggest "love for the people", she is not giving off altruistic vibes in that scene. To be, I see that scene as Dany expecting to rise to the top and then crushing everyone around her except for her house.
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 1, 2015 17:11:00 GMT
The Sansa scene seemed to be a waste of space. Important yes, but it ended with too little. Personally they could have ditched the Cersei scene or cut back on it. My guess is that Sansa will have a larger scene in the next episode. BUT I am pretty sure Ramsay and his 20 men will die. That would be one instance where I may root for Mel to feed R'hllor... Tyrion and Dany - that scene made my skin crawl. I just wanted to go through the screen and smack the arrogance right off of Dany's face... Especially the wheel comment. But as I said in the other thread, this scene created and interesting paradox to Jon's scene. Destruction vs. unification. Jon - I think the NK senses something odd about Jon, something that is unusual, and that scene was fantastic IMO. It was sort of like Oh F***, this one will not be easy. Did anyone catch the homage to LoTR though? The fight between Jon and the Other/WW was an interesting parallel between Aragorn's fight with the leader of the dead. In both instances, the attacker expected the sword to be useless, yet when Longclaw easily withstands the force of the ice weapon the WW/Other was throw off. The scene ( yes I know books/show are two sep mediums.....) sort of, or at least begins to, put to rest the idea of Jon aiding the Others ( I admit I was one hoping for this, because I really don't want Jon to aid Dany in any way ). The stare down between Jon and the NK suggests that the two will eventually be intertwined in one nasty battle. The scene with Sansa and Reek was like a breath of fresh air. I always hated how everyone kept thinking Reek was a kinslayer...I loved that he confessed to her. I wonder...will Sansa and Reek escape, get caught by Stannis and THEN Davos is sent to find Rickon? That could be a way of meeting back at the original storyline. I don't mean to open a can of worms, but I think people have overreacted to Sansa's arc of empowerment and made a lot of assumptions. Not for "that scene"... I think the knowledge that her brother's are alive will give her reason to live, not because she needs her brothers, but because she has her brothers. That I think will empower her and change her character dramatically. Imagine if you were in her shoes, alone in the world, and then found out your family was in fact alive. That would give you an enormous boost and a different will to live. Obviously I could be wrong, but I think that is what D&D are aiming for. Oh I liked the scene, I just wish there was more to it, that is all. I know next week....or so I hope.
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