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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 29, 2016 3:42:15 GMT
(squeaky voice) "The crown and faith are the pillars of the kingdom..." "I hereby declare that the savage practice of Trial by Combat shall be no more-"
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 29, 2016 4:21:44 GMT
One more thought, there's a brief shot during Pycelle's murder of a man with a white beard coughing up blood as he's being stabbed again and again. Did anybody else think.. just for a moment, that it kind of looked like GRRM there? Possibly symbolic?
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 29, 2016 7:21:46 GMT
I had to explain the time lines to someone the other day too. I like making teleporting jokes as much as the next person, but come on. It's obvious they're notnon the same time line. It does feel pretty off with Varys in this episode though. Since the siege of Meereen began he has travelled to Dorne, allied with the Sand Snakes, allied with Olenna, had time to gather Dornish and Tyrell fleets, and then sailed back to Meereen with said fleets. And in that time, Dany does seem to have done much at all. Usually it doesn't bother me, although I will make jokes about it, but this one seemed a bit more obvious than most.
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Post by Enid on Jun 29, 2016 7:47:23 GMT
Let's see if we can make sense of the show timeline:
- We know that Sam's scenes take place before the ones in the North, because he is there to see the white ravens leave, and the white raven arrives at Winterfell during he episode. I'd say Sam's storyline is a couple weeks ahead.
- Is hard to know how the North storyline lines up with the others. My bet is that is taking place at the same time that Cersei's or is slightly ahead, since we don't have any reference to the new KITN in any other storyline.
- Based on nothing, I think Bran arriving to the Wall happens during the Battle of the bastards or soon afterwards.
- The Cersei blowing up the sept and Jaime arriving in time for her coronation scenes have to happen way earlier than Dany's departure, because enough time has passed for Olenna to receive news of her family's destruction, travel to Dorne, and send Tyrell ships to Meeren.
- And because Arya was at the Twins while Jaime was still there, we can assume her scenes also took place before Dany left Meeren, probably even before Olenna went to Dorne.
- And Dany's storyline is the most advanced one, with enough time passing for Varys to form alliances and go back to Meeren, paint the sails with the Targaryen sigil, and create a plan for how Meeren will be ruled after Dany leaves.
So, storylines in chronological order:
- Cersei and Jaime - Arya - Bran - Jon and Sansa - Sam - Dany
Makes some sense, doesn't it?
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Post by boojam on Jun 29, 2016 9:58:58 GMT
Let's see if we can make sense of the show timeline: - We know that Sam's scenes take place before the ones in the North, because he is there to see the white ravens leave, and the white raven arrives at Winterfell during he episode. I'd say Sam's storyline is a couple weeks ahead. - Is hard to know how the North storyline lines up with the others. My bet is that is taking place at the same time that Cersei's or is slightly ahead, since we don't have any reference to the new KITN in any other storyline. - Based on nothing, I think Bran arriving to the Wall happens during the Battle of the bastards or soon afterwards. - The Cersei blowing up the sept and Jaime arriving in time for her coronation scenes have to happen way earlier than Dany's departure, because enough time has passed for Olenna to receive news of her family's destruction, travel to Dorne, and send Tyrell ships to Meeren. - And because Arya was at the Twins while Jaime was still there, we can assume her scenes also took place before Dany left Meeren, probably even before Olenna went to Dorne. - And Dany's storyline is the most advanced one, with enough time passing for Varys to form alliances and go back to Meeren, paint the sails with the Targaryen sigil, and create a plan for how Meeren will be ruled after Dany leaves. So, storylines in chronological order: - Cersei and Jaime - Arya - Bran - Jon and Sansa - Sam - Dany Makes some sense, doesn't it? Or any permutation and combination thereof.
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 29, 2016 9:59:39 GMT
I can only see the Targaryen sails (a lot! of those), the Greyjoy sails and the Martell (I guess that stands for Dorne like house Greyjoy does for the iron islands). O wait in the distance in one shot, hard to make out, looks like a Rose. Well the show will probably never mention the Redwyne fleet. In the final shot there is a bunch of green sailed ships on the right half of the screen (like, nearly half of the ships), if you pay attention they all have a yellow rose on them. I have a hard time finding the Greyjoy ships (obviously without counting the first one with Yara and Theon), where are they? Here are Tyrell, Targaryen and Martell ships together: The Greyjoy ships are only very shortly to be seen: Unfortunately, I can't make out what they use here as a figurehead. For their new Targ ships, they didn't only paint the sails, but also made nice new figureheads - horses for the Dothraki and (of course) dragons:
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Post by boojam on Jun 29, 2016 10:23:57 GMT
When Lyanna Stark first appeared did anyone think that Emilia Clarke was in the part? I did for a second... but that passed , turns out it was Aisling Franciosi.
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Post by boojam on Jun 29, 2016 10:35:48 GMT
In the final shot there is a bunch of green sailed ships on the right half of the screen (like, nearly half of the ships), if you pay attention they all have a yellow rose on them. I have a hard time finding the Greyjoy ships (obviously without counting the first one with Yara and Theon), where are they? Here are Tyrell, Targaryen and Martell ships together: The Greyjoy ships are only very shortly to be seen: Unfortunately, I can't make out what they use here as a figurehead. For their new Targ ships, they didn't only paint the sails, but also made nice new figureheads - horses for the Dothraki and (of course) dragons: Good catch, I had not noticef the Horse, who the hell is the lead Dothraki now? (I know , yes, it's really Dany, but her Dothraki Captain? It's a funny thing I had guessed before the season it would be Khal Moro , now that slot is open.) Man it takes some squinting to see the Tyrell ships, but they are there. I am guessing the Dragon figurehead is only on the flag ship (which I would have taken to be bigger). High Garden ,now, would put their money in motion , I can see buying a fleet, after all Braavos has the ship building capacity to do 10,000 ships! I don't know if the Iron Bank comes back in , but if they want their due, Braavos could join with 20,000 ships!
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 29, 2016 10:45:04 GMT
In the final shot there is a bunch of green sailed ships on the right half of the screen (like, nearly half of the ships), if you pay attention they all have a yellow rose on them. I have a hard time finding the Greyjoy ships (obviously without counting the first one with Yara and Theon), where are they? Here are Tyrell, Targaryen and Martell ships together: The Greyjoy ships are only very shortly to be seen: Unfortunately, I can't make out what they use here as a figurehead. For their new Targ ships, they didn't only paint the sails, but also made nice new figureheads - horses for the Dothraki and (of course) dragons: I think it's a Kraken Not all ships have figurehead, but still timeline has sense when we think about how much time preparations should take. Painting all the sails, making dozens figureheads. These details are impressive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 14:04:34 GMT
I can't believe I'm saying this not only once, but for a second time, but: I'm so happy that the child king is dead. I mean, Tommen was a little bitch.. I think I might be the only one who is really truly sorry Tommen is dead. I knew he would die, obviously, but I'm still a little sad for him. He was fucked from the word Go. And he named his kitty Ser Pounce. And he was so freaking adorable. And he took off his crown before he jumped, like a good boy. Of course, he had to die, because he attempted to kill the hype, and all must HYPE. Good night, sweet prince, who had no business being a king. Edit: Maybe I really do deserve my Lannister Fan Heartie, because I cried about Myrcella.
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 29, 2016 14:06:52 GMT
Enid, great time line. Cersei being Queen is not referenced in the KiTN scene and it does not seem like she's aware the Starks have Winterfell yet and Jon's been named KiTN. Definitely Dany is last given Oleanna and Tyrells joining Team Dany after Cersei blew up her family. And if Oldtown was not updated on Jeor Mormont's death, how far behind are they on other events in Westeros, I wonder?
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 29, 2016 14:12:19 GMT
I am guessing the Dragon figurehead is only on the flag ship (which I would have taken to be bigger). No, in fact there are at least two ships with dragon figureheads (those you see in the pics above, they also have different sails, triangular and rectangular types - there surely is a special term for ir, but I'm not the sailor type... ;-) ); and you can spot a whole lot of ships with horse figureheads in the fleet.
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Post by boojam on Jun 29, 2016 14:31:42 GMT
Enid , great time line. Cersei being Queen is not referenced in the KiTN scene and it does not seem like she's aware the Starks have Winterfell yet and Jon's been named KiTN. Definitely Dany is last given Oleanna and Tyrells joining Team Dany after Cersei blew up her family. And if Oldtown was not updated on Jeor Mormont's death, how far behind are they on other events in Westeros, I wonder? Just like the Masters being ignorant of the dragons, KL is blissfully unaware of Dany (and the dragons). Intelligence services are badly needed by everyone in Westeros and Essos!
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Post by boojam on Jun 29, 2016 14:33:17 GMT
Now this is the first time Dany has worn Targ Black? (Wish it had some red in it.) (Hope Dany gets some cool Targ armor.)
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 29, 2016 14:33:56 GMT
Enid , great time line. Cersei being Queen is not referenced in the KiTN scene and it does not seem like she's aware the Starks have Winterfell yet and Jon's been named KiTN. Definitely Dany is last given Oleanna and Tyrells joining Team Dany after Cersei blew up her family. And if Oldtown was not updated on Jeor Mormont's death, how far behind are they on other events in Westeros, I wonder? Just like the Masters being ignorant of the dragons, KL is blissfully unaware of Dany (and the dragons). Intelligence services are badly needed by everyone in Westeros and Essos! They need a Westeros CIA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 14:37:32 GMT
Enid , great time line. Cersei being Queen is not referenced in the KiTN scene and it does not seem like she's aware the Starks have Winterfell yet and Jon's been named KiTN. Definitely Dany is last given Oleanna and Tyrells joining Team Dany after Cersei blew up her family. And if Oldtown was not updated on Jeor Mormont's death, how far behind are they on other events in Westeros, I wonder? Just like the Masters being ignorant of the dragons, KL is blissfully unaware of Dany (and the dragons). Intelligence services are badly needed by everyone in Westeros and Essos!Everything is currently screwed up. There isn't a real maester installed anywhere of import currently. Oldtown doesn't have a clue of what's up, apparently. They must at least know about the war. Kings Landing had an intelligence service, but he was a double agent, and now he's with Dany.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 14:40:46 GMT
Now this is the first time Dany has worn Targ Black? (Wish it had some red in it.) (Hope Dany gets some cool Targ armor.) She started wearing black after she roasted the khals. I agree about the red and the armor. That will be . I'm going to watch in horror as my two favorite queens (er, actually second and third now that Lil Bear is on the map ) try to kill one another. By the way, every woman in charge in the last episode was wearing black.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 29, 2016 14:43:54 GMT
Anyone else see the similarity?
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Post by boojam on Jun 29, 2016 14:50:57 GMT
Now this is the first time Dany has worn Targ Black? (Wish it had some red in it.) (Hope Dany gets some cool Targ armor.) She started wearing black after she roasted the khals. I agree about the red and the armor. That will be . I'm going to watch in horror as my two favorite queens (er, actually second and third now that Lil Bear is on the map ) try to kill one another. See that was more Dothraki Leathers.By the way, every woman in charge in the last episode was wearing black. I am impressed with this:
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 29, 2016 14:54:10 GMT
Now this is the first time Dany has worn Targ Black? (Wish it had some red in it.) (Hope Dany gets some cool Targ armor.) She started wearing black after she roasted the khals. I agree about the red and the armor. That will be . I'm going to watch in horror as my two favorite queens (er, actually second and third now that Lil Bear is on the map ) try to kill one another. By the way, every woman in charge in the last episode was wearing black. Oh no! If she had to wear an armor, let her wear a Dothraki one, like in Meereen or this cool Targaryen one from her dream in GoT (a-ma-zing sequence), not a sexy one, ugh.
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