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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 12:52:31 GMT
Even before he left Joffrey and protected Sansa, he protected Joff. He was more of a father to him than Robert was. Obviously, that didn't turn out so well, but my point is that Sandor has always protected children. He's got one of the softest hearts with one of the gruffest exteriors. And it took time for the audience to know his true nature. Also, he told Tyrion to eat shit before we knew he had that coming. Eat shit, dwarf.
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2016 13:00:22 GMT
Who are you and what did you do with Daveyjoe? Just because I hype hard doesn't mean I don't have emotional and strongly foreshadowed dramatic implications to motivate me. Hahah yeah it seems like it's a pretty polarizing episode from what I've seen here and on other sites. Bad opening sentence aside, did you guys actually read my review? After that line didnt see much reason to
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 13, 2016 13:05:53 GMT
Just because I hype hard doesn't mean I don't have emotional and strongly foreshadowed dramatic implications to motivate me. Bad opening sentence aside, did you guys actually read my review? After that line didnt see much reason to I haven't earned the benefit of the doubt?
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2016 13:08:20 GMT
After that line didnt see much reason to I haven't earned the benefit of the doubt? I got the impression from that line u loved the ep. Not gonna spend 10minutes reading something I disagree with but good for u 4 enjoying the show?
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 13, 2016 13:14:54 GMT
I haven't earned the benefit of the doubt? I got the impression from that line u loved the ep. Not gonna spend 10minutes reading something I disagree with but good for u 4 enjoying the show? Well, I spent a lot longer than 10 minutes writing it, but you shouldn't waste your time if that's how you feel.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 13, 2016 13:16:10 GMT
But yes, of course, he deserves to survive and find some happiness. As Ray said, he's already been punished by the gods. George wrote Sandor so well. He seemed menacing and dangerous at first. And gradually the layers were peeled away, and we saw him protect Sansa, then we saw just how vulnerable he was. He is the only character to openly defy Joffrey and tell him to go fuck himself. Then he walked away and protected Arya, while straddling the line of self-pity and self-loathing. Now we see him in a new state of confidence, and I hope he gets the revenge he deserves, but I mostly want him to find redemption and happiness with the Stark girls. I feel the same about him. I avoid Cleganebowl thread, because I never fully liked the idea and didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I mean I like and didn't like it at the same time. I wanted for Sandor posibility of revenge, because he deserved it. But I was worried about him in trial by combat context, cause I felt that Cersei plot armor on this stage may be stronger than his fighting skills. All I wanted for him, is that he find peace and live, and so far seemed to be closest to the state when he was in the company of Arya or Sansa. At this moment in story reunion with them seems very likely: Arya is going back to Westeros, and given the fact that most of her time in storyshe spend in the RL, I assume that it is likely that she got there again. Or to the North, where Sansa already is and where Brotherhood probably want to go. But on the other hand, a few days ago I had a dream (dream no spoiler!) that Sandor struggling with Gregor in the Red Keep, begins to lose and to defend himself gives a strong kick in the chest to Gregor and FrankenMountain falls straight into the green flames But to be honest I would prefer for him some safer option and reuniting with Stark girls sounds lovely
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2016 13:17:04 GMT
I got the impression from that line u loved the ep. Not gonna spend 10minutes reading something I disagree with but good for u 4 enjoying the show? Well, I spent a lot longer than 10 minutes writing it, but you shouldn't waste your time if that's how you feel. And people read it. Why care if I did? I dont expect anyone from here other than Carol reads my charming recap
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 13, 2016 13:23:40 GMT
Well, I spent a lot longer than 10 minutes writing it, but you shouldn't waste your time if that's how you feel. And people read it. Why care if I did? I dont expect anyone from here other than Carol reads my charming recap Because you normally read my stuff and don't dismiss it after the first sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 13:27:18 GMT
I felt like arya's stabbing could have been removed completely. They could have her make smart decisions and lure the waif into a trap. All those skills she learnt in the HoBaW and she only thinks to use one of those at the last second. I would have preferred a well thought out plan.
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Post by boojam on Jun 13, 2016 13:32:30 GMT
Just like the confrontation with the Lords of the North I think the dialog is kind of tin eared at times. Edmure not telling Brynden about Jamies threat , maybe it would not work, but should have been aired.
By the by the Blackfish did not die on screen so more fodder for speculation.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 13, 2016 13:42:44 GMT
I felt like arya's stabbing could have been removed completely. They could have her make smart decisions and lure the waif into a trap. All those skills she learnt in the HoBaW and she only thinks to use one of those at the last second. I would have preferred a well thought out plan. Yes, that was rather pointless and out of a character. She already was aware of danger, she didn't have to get stabbed to recognize it. I am always disappointed when the characters are degradeted to a plot device to the story and in this case it wasn't needed at all. On the other hand, they gave us a warm scene with vulnerable Arya and looking after her mother-figure Lady Crane. But Braavos story ended in total as I wanted: waif is dead, and Jaqen nor any other FM won't be chasing Arya.
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Post by janicia on Jun 13, 2016 13:48:41 GMT
Heh, so it was a BWB splinter group, and no LS. I got that wrong. I'm really curious how much Riverlands stuff they can pack into the finale. Kings Landing and Mereen both have big stuff to do in the finale, presumably, and some other check-ins, so that doesn't leave much time for Riverlands. But they got all the guys together, surely something will come from that.
I was correct that they were playing it straight with Arya last episode. All the face-swap speculation seemed like implausible book theory territory, but the show doesn't mess around much with hidden identities. I agree that some of the Arya stuff was implausible or kinda clumsy. But I do find it plausible that Arya is better with that sword than the Waif expected - Arya was training with that sword for a while while running around with Sandor, and the Waif never saw her use it. Also, Arya was recently blind, and if the Waif was ever blind it wasn't as recent. Poor Lady Crane.
I think the brothers Clegane might still face off, but there will have to be some twists first. Sandor doesn't have a reason to go to Kings Landing, and Gregor doesn't have a reason to leave, but that could all change. On the other hand, I think it is possible that Jaime and Bronn will have to kill Gregor in the finale to stop Cersei. I'm sort of worried for Bronn.
I'm finding it pretty weird that other characters are so insistent about Sandor's purpose. I'm trying to remember who else kept being told they had a higher purpose besides Bran. Maybe Sandor is going to be important vs. White Walkers somehow? Or maybe he's the vessel of the Gods to kill Walder Frey.
I do wish that Tyrion had been given more to do in Mereen this season, but on the other hand, I'm not sure that we care that much about Merenese politics. Maybe we saw as much as we needed to. It was just kind of frustrating that a lot of what we saw was Tyrion being obnoxious. Still, I'm glad he's finally warming up Greyworm and Missandei. Dany won't be completely pleased with his decisions, I'm guessing. Is it suspicious that Varys appeared right after Dany left Mereen and disappeared right before she returned? Could Varys be avoiding Dany? I guess he did coordinate an assassination attempt on her and her unborn baby, so avoiding her might be wise.
Curious where Arya will go. She can steal enough money to buy passage to any shipping destination in Westeros, so she has choices. It is unclear if Arya knows about Sansa's marriage to Ramsay, but that wasn't a secret so Arya has probably heard about it. So Arya would think that Sansa is in Winterfell and that Jon is still at the Wall. My guess is that Arya will try to get to Winterfell.
I thought it was a shame we didn't see Margary this episode, but I think it is a shame every episode that we don't see Margary. I do believe that she must have a plan for saving Loras. Maybe it is the plan she enunciated to Olenna - have him renounce his titles and leave Kings Landing. But Margary changed her stance upon seeing Loras, and a large part of what she's doing now is motivated to protect him. I think she'll fail, but I want to see what her plan was.
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Post by boojam on Jun 13, 2016 13:51:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 13:54:23 GMT
I felt like arya's stabbing could have been removed completely. They could have her make smart decisions and lure the waif into a trap. All those skills she learnt in the HoBaW and she only thinks to use one of those at the last second. I would have preferred a well thought out plan. Yes, that was rather pointless and out of a character. She already was aware of danger, she didn't have to get stabbed to recognize it. I am always disappointed when the characters are degradeted to a plot device to the story and in this case it wasn't needed at all. On the other hand, they gave us a warm scene with vulnerable Arya and looking after her mother-figure Lady Crane. But Braavos story ended in total as I wanted: waif is dead, and Jaqen nor any other FM won't be chasing Arya. this is true but I wanted more out of it. Why didn't Jaquen kill her and just let her leave? Why did he say she is finally no one when the FM are basically lie detectors and he would now that she isn't? (Cue my theory he was talking about the waif) Basically wtf just happened. Lady Crane was feeding her medicine all the Waif had to do was slip some poison in there and take lady Crane's face and it would have been a true FM style killing. But of course Arya couldn't die so I understand it. But there were ways they could have written it better to avoid stupid logic. And we could have still gotten a nice chat between lady crane and arya
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 13:57:04 GMT
Emilia had the perfect interpretation of when Daenerys showed up on top of the Meereen Pyramid: "It's like when you leave your kids at home, and you're like ' whatever you do guys, don't have a party' and they're like ' sure Mom whatever we won't have a party, it's gonna be fine.' And then you get back and the little shits had a party and burned everything and just left it in a big ol' mess. And so I return and there's a war happening, which doesn't leave Daenerys best pleased."
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Post by lordcarson on Jun 13, 2016 13:59:03 GMT
10/10 best daveyjoe
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 13, 2016 14:00:50 GMT
Yes, that was rather pointless and out of a character. She already was aware of danger, she didn't have to get stabbed to recognize it. I am always disappointed when the characters are degradeted to a plot device to the story and in this case it wasn't needed at all. On the other hand, they gave us a warm scene with vulnerable Arya and looking after her mother-figure Lady Crane. But Braavos story ended in total as I wanted: waif is dead, and Jaqen nor any other FM won't be chasing Arya. this is true but I wanted more out of it. Why didn't Jaquen kill her and just let her leave? Why did he say she is finally no one when the FM are basically lie detectors and he would now that she isn't? (Cue my theory he was talking about the waif) Basically wtf just happened. Lady Crane was feeding her medicine all the Waif had to do was slip some poison in there and take lady Crane's face and it would have been a true FM style killing. But of course Arya couldn't die so I understand it. But there were ways they could have written it better to avoid stupid logic. And we could have still gotten a nice chat between lady crane and arya Everything you said is true, but I can't give you answers. This plot annoyed me last week so hard, that I started to believe in crazy theories, and after a few days I decided to just stop thinking about it
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Post by boojam on Jun 13, 2016 14:01:27 GMT
I felt like arya's stabbing could have been removed completely. They could have her make smart decisions and lure the waif into a trap. All those skills she learnt in the HoBaW and she only thinks to use one of those at the last second. I would have preferred a well thought out plan. Yes, that was rather pointless and out of a character. She already was aware of danger, she didn't have to get stabbed to recognize it. I am always disappointed when the characters are degradeted to a plot device to the story and in this case it wasn't needed at all. On the other hand, they gave us a warm scene with vulnerable Arya and looking after her mother-figure Lady Crane. But Braavos story ended in total as I wanted: waif is dead, and Jaqen nor any other FM won't be chasing Arya. It's like the writers miss a beat. Seems Arya was luring the Waif on , but if we could have seen , in the end, that Arya had a way of protecting her self with like a leather shield and pig bloods balder , that she anticipated the Waif stabbing her in the gut, that would be as cool as hell. I guess it could have been that way, we seem to think she 'got better' for the FM pool, but we are never shown that.
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Post by boojam on Jun 13, 2016 14:05:15 GMT
Emilia had the perfect interpretation of when Daenerys showed up on top of the Meereen Pyramid: "It's like when you leave your kids at home, and you're like ' whatever you do guys, don't have a party' and they're like ' sure Mom whatever we won't have a party, it's gonna be fine.' And then you get back and the little shits had a party and burned everything and just left it in a big ol' mess. And so I return and there's a war happening, which doesn't leave Daenerys best pleased." So much for the influence of the High Priestess of R'hllor!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 14:05:32 GMT
I've been having this idea: I think one could argue that Arya was deliberately "careless" in 6x07, because she knew there would be no way the FM and the Waif would leave her be and thus she knew she had to kill the Waif before leaving Braavos. So Arya walking through Braavos was not really her being careless and stupid, but rather her trying to lure out the Waif. She wanted to be chased by the Waif, leading her to that room in order to kill her. She knew she'd have the advantage in the dark. The strongest indication for this is that Arya left Needle in that room. She already had this plan before being stabbed. The fact she got stabbed was just there to make it more dramatic. I don't think it was necessary. They could have easily done it without the stabbing (but then we wouldn't have the wonderful scenes with Lady Crane). But I don't think Arya was acting stupid in 6x07. She was waiting for the Waif to appear. Ninja'd by boojam .
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