Hound Dog
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Post by Hound Dog on Jun 13, 2016 5:11:42 GMT
So anyways, let's speculate about BwB a bit (man I'm such a sucker for target practice) ... Can I say I'm pleased as punch at the way they twisted that around? I carefully stayed out of most all BwB politics debates because I truly had no clue as to what was going to happen. I loved it. I love they were hanging men who broke off from them and put a smear on their reputation. It shows how weird things get in war ... where the lines get blurred (as with Brienne and Jaime but on a smaller level among the 'average' people). I also like the human side of Sandor we're seeing come out. I think he's going to join them and I think they're right, he's not too far gone and he can be a lot of help in the bigger war to come. Yes I know a lot of people are confused as to why the BwB would turn their attention northward but is it really a stretch to imagine they (like Melisandre) wouldn't see the bigger picture? All of this is starting to make sense to me... everything is slowly simmering down into a strange brew - everyone combined will fight the White Walkers. It's really where it's going - is this a massive surprise? Agreed. The Hound is my favorite character and I am so excited for him this season. The character has really evolved since the start of the show. Despite the slaughter he carried out this episode, he no longer seems like he's full of rage. He's become more human, while his brother less so. Sandor seems calmer and more thoughtful than before. Obviously, that's Ray's influence over him we're seeing. I wasn't expecting to see him team up with BwB, but I'm glad he did. It was great to see Beric and Thoros again - I enjoy both of those characters. I too think their ultimate purpose is to fight the White Walkers. I think that's the Hound's main purpose as well, as opposed to Cleganebowl. (There might be a Cleganebowl yet, but IMO it's not as hype-worthy as Sandor kicking White Walker ass.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 5:12:53 GMT
i've always thought gendry's swordmaking skills would be more relevant than being robert's eldest son. king gendry ain't never gonna happen. Well if Cersei goes ballistic (almost literally) I don't think king anybody is gonna happen (or queen). Maybe Gendry can figure out how to mold new swords out of the melted pile of what's left of the Iron Throne?
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Post by lordcarson on Jun 13, 2016 5:23:22 GMT
So if I remember correctly, milk of the poppy is a painkiller in addition to anesthesia right? I think it's totally possible that it numbed Arya's pain and allowed her to get the initial push to escape. After that, the adrenaline of having her life on the line kept her going no matter how much she was hurting (which she absolutely was). It was a little hard to believe at first, but a combination of stitching and a painkiller makes it acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 5:29:32 GMT
So if I remember correctly, milk of the poppy is a painkiller in addition to anesthesia right? I think it's totally possible that it numbed Arya's pain and allowed her to get the initial push to escape. After that, the adrenaline of having her life on the line kept her going no matter how much she was hurting (which she absolutely was). It was a little hard to believe at first, but a combination of stitching and a painkiller makes it acceptable. Yeah I'm ok with passing it off a bit. They could have shown Lady Crane stitching her up but instead she explained how she used to patch up her boyfriends so obviously she knows how to do it. Still, I'll argue that as deeply as the waif stabbed her and twisted the knife in, she should not be able to get up and around even if it didn't hit any vital organs (and that's hard to miss in that area). My head cannon is Lady Crane had some potions up there with those other bottles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 5:55:44 GMT
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 13, 2016 5:56:56 GMT
So what's the purpose of the Brotherhood now? Because I can't find one. The BwB was formed before Lady Stoneheart came into the story. Their purpose is still the same with the addition that they are starting to hear rumors of what's happening up north. Their purpose is different without Lady Stoneheart and revenge against the Freys - that's true. They seem to be giving them something different to do aside from helping get revenge on the Freys. I will agree it's disappointing to think (at this point) the Starks will not get revenge against the Freys - but we still don't know that yet. I think the BwB purpose now is going to help get the word out to all the Riverlands houses and villages and people about the real problem in the North. Beric and Thoros are the Jon and Melisandre of the middle lands. Yes, I'm aware they existed before her obviously, but I think they are more interesting post Arya with Lady Stoneheart. Is Thoros looking into the flames that he knows everything going on in the North now? I can't shake my disappointment with this. They Freys aren't paying for anything. If Arya shows up and kills Walder, that won't be enough for me.
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2016 6:03:09 GMT
The BwB was formed before Lady Stoneheart came into the story. Their purpose is still the same with the addition that they are starting to hear rumors of what's happening up north. Their purpose is different without Lady Stoneheart and revenge against the Freys - that's true. They seem to be giving them something different to do aside from helping get revenge on the Freys. I will agree it's disappointing to think (at this point) the Starks will not get revenge against the Freys - but we still don't know that yet. I think the BwB purpose now is going to help get the word out to all the Riverlands houses and villages and people about the real problem in the North. Beric and Thoros are the Jon and Melisandre of the middle lands. Yes, I'm aware they existed before her obviously, but I think they are more interesting post Arya with Lady Stoneheart. Is Thoros looking into the flames that he knows everything going on in the North now? I can't shake my disappointment with this. They Freys aren't paying for anything. If Arya shows up and kills Walder, that won't be enough for me. Sandor, Thoros and Beric are guys. Tough awesome guys! They'll fight zombies! YES! Catelyn is just some woman. Laaame-o.
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 13, 2016 6:07:13 GMT
Yes, I'm aware they existed before her obviously, but I think they are more interesting post Arya with Lady Stoneheart. Is Thoros looking into the flames that he knows everything going on in the North now? I can't shake my disappointment with this. They Freys aren't paying for anything. If Arya shows up and kills Walder, that won't be enough for me. Sandor, Thoros and Beric are guys. Tough awesome guys! They'll fight zombies! YES! Catelyn is just some woman. Laaame-o. Lawd your avatar. Fitting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 6:09:02 GMT
Wow that was the best one yet, thoroughly enjoyed that set. Really cool to see how they did the Riverrun set pieces - what an epic thing they built. We all couldn't tell from the filming leaked photos wtf was going on there other than those telling red tents indicating Lannisters. Love that they built an actual working drawbridge too. Braavos foot chase was cool to see filmed and the theme they were going for with it. Maisie even mentioned the waif being something of "Terminator" style determined in chasing her. Someone mentioned that in here somewhere haha. Special mad props to my girl Maisie for doing her own stunt jumps!!!
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2016 6:10:39 GMT
Sandor, Thoros and Beric are guys. Tough awesome guys! They'll fight zombies! YES! Catelyn is just some woman. Laaame-o. Lawd your avatar. Fitting. Cannot believe Ian McShane's character died for this shit :poop:
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Post by Hound Dog on Jun 13, 2016 6:14:59 GMT
Yes, I'm aware they existed before her obviously, but I think they are more interesting post Arya with Lady Stoneheart. Is Thoros looking into the flames that he knows everything going on in the North now? I can't shake my disappointment with this. They Freys aren't paying for anything. If Arya shows up and kills Walder, that won't be enough for me. Sandor, Thoros and Beric are guys. Tough awesome guys! They'll fight zombies! YES! Catelyn is just some woman. Laaame-o. I'm not buying that argument. If GoT women are lame-o, how does that explain the badassery of Dany, Yara, Brienne and Arya? Hell, Brienne whipped The Hound's arse! Or Cersei, or either of the Tyrell women? (The latter three may not be warriors in the physical sense, but they're cunning.) A more likely explanation is that D&D just didn't think LSH fit the show's narrative.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 13, 2016 6:16:11 GMT
So the "Captain of the Tower" guy from the casting call was the dude in charge of the Riverrun drawbridge, right?
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Jun 13, 2016 6:21:33 GMT
I loved this episode. Chills were had in every storyline. For sheer excitement, it might have been the best of the season. But the parts where it slowed down and took its time like the Jaime and Edmure scene were terrific too. I looooved seeing Thoros again. Still in shock he actually made it out of the episode alive and that he could have an actual role in the final season! Wtf? Too much hype I've got to say, though.... after that 3-minute conversation about Catelyn I thought the leakers had been seriously off and she was going to happen in some shape or form. They even had the BWB scene play out by the river.... major trolls. And Braavos was wonderful, shame they had to do that to my Lady Crane though, those evil bastards. She should have toured the Twins next. Goddammit.
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2016 6:23:41 GMT
Sandor, Thoros and Beric are guys. Tough awesome guys! They'll fight zombies! YES! Catelyn is just some woman. Laaame-o. I'm not buying that argument. If GoT women are lame-o, how does that explain the badassery of Dany, Yara, Brienne and Arya? Hell, Brienne whipped The Hound's arse! Or Cersei, or either of the Tyrell women? (The latter three may not be warriors in the physical sense, but they're cunning.) A more likely explanation is that D&D just didn't think LSH fit the show's narrative. If Cat was a man she would be back. That's my opinion on what has happened here. As evidence but several male characters being back this year.
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Post by freeparking on Jun 13, 2016 6:45:12 GMT
So the "Captain of the Tower" guy from the casting call was the dude in charge of the Riverrun drawbridge, right? That's what I was thinking when I was watching that scene.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Jun 13, 2016 6:48:08 GMT
Sandor, Thoros and Beric are guys. Tough awesome guys! They'll fight zombies! YES! Catelyn is just some woman. Laaame-o. I'm not buying that argument. If GoT women are lame-o, how does that explain the badassery of Dany, Yara, Brienne and Arya? Hell, Brienne whipped The Hound's arse! Or Cersei, or either of the Tyrell women? (The latter three may not be warriors in the physical sense, but they're cunning.) A more likely explanation is that D&D just didn't think LSH fit the show's narrative. Catelyn has never been a woman D&D cared about, she didn't fit their narrative when she was alive either.
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2016 7:09:23 GMT
I'm not buying that argument. If GoT women are lame-o, how does that explain the badassery of Dany, Yara, Brienne and Arya? Hell, Brienne whipped The Hound's arse! Or Cersei, or either of the Tyrell women? (The latter three may not be warriors in the physical sense, but they're cunning.) A more likely explanation is that D&D just didn't think LSH fit the show's narrative. Catelyn has never been a woman D&D cared about, she didn't fit their narrative when she was alive either. The funniest part is that they even made me lose respect for Djawadi here. He mixed Catelyn/Brienne music in last episode ending. His trolling was the worst since that served as biggest clue. Cannot really even listen to soundtrack for this show anymore after this. They officially tainted everything with their 3 years worth of trolling but what went down in this particular episode is just incomprehensible to me.
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 13, 2016 8:46:32 GMT
So I guess Sibel Kekilli was just there to during filming to visit and was essentially an extra? I only covered this for the off-chance it still happens the way people thought it was, which isn't very likely Yes, I'm pretty sure she was one of the many extras in the Meereen scenes in episode 1, because the dates fit exactly. Tried to find her in those scenes a while ago, but without success...
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Jun 13, 2016 8:52:02 GMT
btw, i just went back to check and we do see sandor's peen when he's taking a piss.
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Post by boojam on Jun 13, 2016 9:06:20 GMT
So anyways, let's speculate about BwB a bit (man I'm such a sucker for target practice) ... So they brought back Beric and Thoros but not Anguy , Philip McGinley? I knew about Thoros before the season, my guess at the time was that he would be solo and maybe run into Melisandre again, why I don't know! But Beric showed up which I did not guess before the season and BwB with , sort of, the same group , with some bad apples, sort of wandering towards the North. Exactly how the BwB found out the threat from the North is not explained, which the rest of the south remains ignorant.
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