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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 15:02:15 GMT
Many of you have lost faith in seeing House Manderly play a part on the show. In the books we are introduced to quite a few Manderlys. We have Wyman, whose "The North Remembers"-speech gave hope to every Stark loyalist and anti-Frey reader out there. Then we have Wylla, who bravely stood up against the Freys in open court. How can you not love her? In the books they play a major role in the Winterfell story line and seem to have a part to play in the wars to come. Manderly's are fiercely loyal to the Starks and are possibly switching to Stannis's side, they are also organizing the return of Rickon. But will we see the Manderly's on the show? We saw Wendel Manderly during the Red Wedding.  As you can see he's easily recognizable because of his merman decor. He was seated next to the Blackfish so we saw him a lot during the wedding. They even made sure that we see him dying. Foreshadowing of some sort? Then I realized something quite interesting when I was watching a histories and lore clip. In this histories & lore Jon talks about the North. Only a few houses are mentioned and they have been the most "major" Northern houses on the show. House Stark obviously, House Umber (we saw a lot of Greatjon in s1 and 2), House Mormont (Jorah, Jeor and now the letter to Stannis), House Reed (Meera and Jojen, Howland might be seen in the future), House Bolton (Roose and Ramsay are major characters), House Karstark (Arnolf Karstark and his son) and last but not least House Manderly. Every house mentioned has appeared on the show, except house Manderly (not counting Wendel because he didn't even say anything). Jon tells us about White Harbor, the wealth and the history of house Manderly. I'm afraid that they're not on the show. They should be, just to complicate the situation with the North and, well, add more depth to the situation. We need more northern lords than Roose, Ramsay and Sansa. The unsullied would have loved the speech and the pies as well and they need someone to engineer the return of Rickon. If we won't get tha Manderly's, do you think that they're going to include any other Northern lords? Rickon is at the Last Hearth on the show, so we should at least get an Umber. Here's the man the show needs:  Wyman Manderly, Lord of White Harbor, Warden of the White Knife, Shield of the Faith, Defender of the Dispossessed, Lord Marshal of the Mander. |
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 17, 2015 15:24:50 GMT
I hope so. I always thought Wylla's speech was too good to pass up on the show. Stark is easily the most popular house for the general audience, and they would love that. (I loved that)
I think they're probably out, but I'll hold onto some hope.
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Post by iksenpets on Apr 17, 2015 17:47:58 GMT
I think they threw in the Wendel cameo because they wanted to include Manderly if they could, but made sure that he stayed in the background so that they wouldn't be obliged to include him later on, because they didn't know if they would be able. I think it's pretty clear at this point that they weren't able. I think we only would've gotten Manderly if there were space enough in the season to bring in two Northern lords for the Northern plot, with the first being Umber, since he already exists in show-canon and apparently has Rickon in the show universe. Where things stand now though, it's not even clear if they're ever going to manage to get Umber back on the show, let alone touch on Manderly. It's a real bummer, but I'm not sure if we're getting any non-Bolton Northerners at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 18:15:22 GMT
I think they threw in the Wendel cameo because they wanted to include Manderly if they could, but made sure that he stayed in the background so that they wouldn't be obliged to include him later on, because they didn't know if they would be able. I think it's pretty clear at this point that they weren't able. I think we only would've gotten Manderly if there were space enough in the season to bring in two Northern lords for the Northern plot, with the first being Umber, since he already exists in show-canon and apparently has Rickon in the show universe. Where things stand now though, it's not even clear if they're ever going to manage to get Umber back on the show, let alone touch on Manderly. It's a real bummer, but I'm not sure if we're getting any non-Bolton Northerners at all. I'm afraid that you're right. The way they handled the northern lords is sad. We won't get Manderly's,Umber's or any anti-Boltons , just like you said. The weird part is that the Umber's have Rickon, are we going to even see the lad? Time is running out. I'll change the title of this topic to expand the speculation. |
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Post by iksenpets on Apr 17, 2015 23:53:46 GMT
I think they threw in the Wendel cameo because they wanted to include Manderly if they could, but made sure that he stayed in the background so that they wouldn't be obliged to include him later on, because they didn't know if they would be able. I think it's pretty clear at this point that they weren't able. I think we only would've gotten Manderly if there were space enough in the season to bring in two Northern lords for the Northern plot, with the first being Umber, since he already exists in show-canon and apparently has Rickon in the show universe. Where things stand now though, it's not even clear if they're ever going to manage to get Umber back on the show, let alone touch on Manderly. It's a real bummer, but I'm not sure if we're getting any non-Bolton Northerners at all. I'm afraid that you're right. The way they handled the northern lords is sad. We won't get Manderly's,Umber's or any anti-Boltons , just like you said. The weird part is that the Umber's have Rickon, are we going to even see the lad? Time is running out. I'll change the title of this topic to expand the speculation. I mean, I think Umber popping up in episode 6 or 7 around any potential Winterfell wedding is still a possibility, but it's a remote one. Manderly is gone for sure. |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Apr 18, 2015 0:26:29 GMT
Dan Weiss pointed out he would like to be Mord in GoT because he's just a happy guy, and knew the exact episodes he appeared in. He'd made a good jailer for White Harbor, just saying...
If Manderly is cut then they screwed up. With Mance presumably dead, no Freys in Winterfell... WHAT THE F. What the F is going to happen in Winterfell?
If Winterfell is reduced to a few more episodes. Sansa gets married, she meets Reek, then Ramsay goes evil on her and Reek helps her escape... then I'll be just sad. I'll just be sad that the best story in the books was reduced to nothing so we could have sandsnakes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 8:05:51 GMT
Dan Weiss pointed out he would like to be Mord in GoT because he's just a happy guy, and knew the exact episodes he appeared in. He'd made a good jailer for White Harbor, just saying... If Manderly is cut then they screwed up. With Mance presumably dead, no Freys in Winterfell... WHAT THE F. What the F is going to happen in Winterfell? If Winterfell is reduced to a few more episodes. Sansa gets married, she meets Reek, then Ramsay goes evil on her and Reek helps her escape... then I'll be just sad. I'll just be sad that the best story in the books was reduced to nothing so we could have sandsnakes. This infuriates me as well. Winterfell's story line was the best thing ADWD by far. It's terrible to see that they're cutting so many characters to give us more tits and B-class warrior women. So we have Sansa, Petyr, Roose, Ramsay, Walda and Theon there.. and unnamed extras. There is little tension but nothing compared to the book atmosphere. It would have been really easy translating that tension and atmosphere to the show. So, the only point of the Winterfell story line on the show is to see Reek become a hero saving a damsel in distress. Blah, this show version of the events feels a bit dull and simple. |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Apr 18, 2015 9:39:25 GMT
It's not over yet. There have only really been a handful of Winterfell scenes:
1. "Stop eating and listen."
2. "Lady Sansa ... Lord Bolton."
3. "Welcome home, Lady Stark."
4. "I've heard so little about you ... I'd like to read the reply."
5. "Lord Whent held a great tourney at Harrenhal."
5.01 - Nothing
5.02 - Nothing
5.03 - #1,2,3, 4
5.04 - #5
At some point they'll have to ratchet Winterfell up. Really the only thing they've taken the time to do is set Sansa up so far.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 10:11:11 GMT
It's not over yet. There have only really been a handful of Winterfell scenes:
1. "Stop eating and listen."
2. "Lady Sansa ... Lord Bolton."
3. "Welcome home, Lady Stark."
4. "I've heard so little about you ... I'd like to read the reply."
5. "Lord Whent held a great tourney at Harrenhal."
5.01 - Nothing
5.02 - Nothing
5.03 - #1,2,3, 4
5.04 - #5
At some point they'll have to ratchet Winterfell up. Really the only thing they've taken the time to do is set Sansa up so far.
But surely we would have Northern lords receiving her in 5.03. It's not over yet, but hope is dying. What's with the Riverlands? Greatjon (still has an army there according to showlore) and the Blackfish are still free, we haven't heard of them for a long time. Season 6 won't have any new Northern lords, unless Stannis meets some on the way. Greatjon needs to appear, they can't just forget a Northern lord in the Riverlands. |
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Post by greatjon on Apr 18, 2015 11:20:02 GMT
If there is no Wyman Manderly speech, no Frey Pies, No Wylla speech. Then I would consider season 5 a failed adaption of the books.
Those are the 3 best moment from ADWD. If you can't find a way to fit the top 3 moments in a book into your adaption, that should be a clue that you're doing it wrong. Whatever it is your trying to do, you should change it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 11:30:47 GMT
If there is no Wyman Manderly speech, no Frey Pies, No Wylla speech. Then I would consider season 5 a failed adaption of the books. Those are the 3 best moment from ADWD. If you can't find a way to fit the top 3 moments in a book into your adaption, that should be a clue that you're doing it wrong. Whatever it is your trying to do, you should change it. I couldn't agree more. It would be outrageous to skip the best parts of the book. By the looks of it, we won't get any of those you mentioned. Horrible. Before the season it looked like the Greatjon was returning to fill that anti-Bolton northern lord role. He would have been able to give the speech and bake a few pies. I would have been content with that. But no, we won't even get that. What a damn shame. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 18, 2015 11:46:39 GMT
In their minds giving North Remembers storyline to Sansa was probably an improvement....but really they are taking away the elements that build this world, this atmosphere, the magnitude of things. It's a shame they keep hacking off such good things
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Apr 18, 2015 11:47:30 GMT
That ship already sailed when they gave most of Robb's story screen time to Talisas butt
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Post by Admin on Apr 18, 2015 12:08:38 GMT
That ship already sailed when they gave most of Robb's story screen time to Talisas butt "Attack, attack!"  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 12:34:40 GMT
In their minds giving North Remembers storyline to Sansa was probably an improvement....but really they are taking away the elements that build this world, this atmosphere, the magnitude of things. It's a shame they keep hacking off such good things The show feels so shallow in detail in comparison to the books. With slightly more effort, we would have had a better adaptation. That ship already sailed when they gave most of Robb's story screen time to Talisas butt Beautiful butt indeed  Wasn't worth it in the long term though. |
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 18, 2015 12:55:04 GMT
That ship already sailed when they gave most of Robb's story screen time to Talisas butt  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 7:23:47 GMT
I'm desperately hoping that we'll see some at the wedding of Sansa.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 10:38:49 GMT
EDIT:
Those faces in the background seem familiar. Galbart Glover perhaps?
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Post by kingeomer on May 19, 2015 22:42:54 GMT
Sadly, I don't think we will see them. They did not even bother to recast the Greatjon for season 2 when the actor was not available for that season.
It's a bummer, because the Northern Lords all riled up in book 5, ready to attack the Boltons to save "The Ned's Girl" was my favorite part of the book. I was a bit bummed that Maege Mormont and Dacey Mormont were not bigger factors on the show considering that we have Jorah and had the Old Bear.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 15:04:38 GMT
Sadly, I don't think we will see them. They did not even bother to recast the Greatjon for season 2 when the actor was not available for that season. It's a bummer, because the Northern Lords all riled up in book 5, ready to attack the Boltons to save "The Ned's Girl" was my favorite part of the book. I was a bit bummed that Maege Mormont and Dacey Mormont were not bigger factors on the show considering that we have Jorah and had the Old Bear. The Northern story line was so interesting because of all the different factions. Not only Stannis vs. Roose. There was so much more to it, but the show failed to use it's full potential. |
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Wasn't worth it in the long term though.