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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 0:03:15 GMT
I would say that specific look has not always come easily to Emilia but she has grown into it much as I imagine Daenerys herself would have. A lot of fans thought her "queenly attitude" was too dramatic in past seasons but this season I see none of that to extreme even when she's being the most arrogant she can be. She's natural at it now for sure so Sackheim's job was easy as he said.
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Post by boojam on May 18, 2016 0:31:29 GMT
I would say that specific look has not always come easily to Emilia but she has grown into it much as I imagine Daenerys herself would have. A lot of fans thought her "queenly attitude" was too dramatic in past seasons but this season I see none of that to extreme even when she's being the most arrogant she can be. She's natural at it now for sure so Sackheim's job was easy as he said. She first showed that body language in Season 3 Ep 4 ... Dracarys. She projected in anger as well and punctuating with gestures, it was a real surprise since we had not seen Emilia do that before, a little in season 1, but not like that. She was still in command-mode giving the freedom speech to the Unsullied. That whole sequence is still one of the most remarkable of the series. Have to say this episode her expression when speaking had a spooky icy will to it, had not seen Emilia really do that before.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 1:09:24 GMT
I think the only reason LF is still on the show is because he hasn't fulfilled his book destiny yet. Which is to majorly underestimate Sansa and die.
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 18, 2016 1:35:18 GMT
I think Emilia has really grown into the role. Season one she was brilliant, she portrays kindness and romance and intensity extremely well. After season 1, when she gets to Qarth and then starts conquering and all that, we see Dany struggle to "become a queen". She's testing out her style, she's trying to appear regal and composed. And a lot of people were uncomfortable with Emilia's acting in those scenes, but the understanding I have of the character and the interview's Emilia's given have led me to believe those choices were 200% intentional.
People have said Emilia's Dany is too cold, too stoic, no emotion, etc. Emilia has said Dany consciously tries to appear unemotional, regal, composed at all times, etc. She's said Daenerys takes herself too seriously. So when people say "Daenerys never smiles. She has no compassion blah blah blah" I can't help but believe that that's on purpose. Emilia never smiles because Dany never smiles. On the rare occasions when Dany does lift the veil and smile and laugh, it's brilliant.
TLDR- give Emilia a break. She knows what she's doing.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 2:16:58 GMT
I think Emilia has really grown into the role. Season one she was brilliant, she portrays kindness and romance and intensity extremely well. After season 1, when she gets to Qarth and then starts conquering and all that, we see Dany struggle to "become a queen". She's testing out her style, she's trying to appear regal and composed. And a lot of people were uncomfortable with Emilia's acting in those scenes, but the understanding I have of the character and the interview's Emilia's given have led me to believe those choices were 200% intentional. People have said Emilia's Dany is too cold, too stoic, no emotion, etc. Emilia has said Dany consciously tries to appear unemotional, regal, composed at all times, etc. She's said Daenerys takes herself too seriously. So when people say "Daenerys never smiles. She has no compassion blah blah blah" I can't help but believe that that's on purpose. Emilia never smiles because Dany never smiles. On the rare occasions when Dany does lift the veil and smile and laugh, it's brilliant. TLDR- give Emilia a break. She knows what she's doing. i don't blame her either Qarth was a mess because the writing of it was bad, and she was going through an entitled phase. Like the world owed her everything (to be fair she just gave birth to dragons etc) but i think ultimately it was important for her development and confidence to know she can deal with people like Xaro and be ruthless. Another criticism is she is too 'queenly' but thats exactly who she is in the books. We can't see it as clearly because we have access to her thoughts. But for example she does the exact same thing to Jorah when she sends him away, she couldn't 'look him in the eye' for fear she might forgive him. The show also took away a lot of things that showed Dany as caring, and affectionate to those close to her. She had a few scenes with Missandei and her dragons but it probably wasn't enough. She needed a tonne more scenes with Barristan
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:02:23 GMT
I think Emilia has really grown into the role. Season one she was brilliant, she portrays kindness and romance and intensity extremely well. After season 1, when she gets to Qarth and then starts conquering and all that, we see Dany struggle to "become a queen". She's testing out her style, she's trying to appear regal and composed. And a lot of people were uncomfortable with Emilia's acting in those scenes, but the understanding I have of the character and the interview's Emilia's given have led me to believe those choices were 200% intentional. People have said Emilia's Dany is too cold, too stoic, no emotion, etc. Emilia has said Dany consciously tries to appear unemotional, regal, composed at all times, etc. She's said Daenerys takes herself too seriously. So when people say "Daenerys never smiles. She has no compassion blah blah blah" I can't help but believe that that's on purpose. Emilia never smiles because Dany never smiles. On the rare occasions when Dany does lift the veil and smile and laugh, it's brilliant. TLDR- give Emilia a break. She knows what she's doing. i don't blame her either Qarth was a mess because the writing of it was bad, and she was going through an entitled phase. Like the world owed her everything (to be fair she just gave birth to dragons etc) but i think ultimately it was important for her development and confidence to know she can deal with people like Xaro and be ruthless. Another criticism is she is too 'queenly' but thats exactly who she is in the books. We can't see it as clearly because we have access to her thoughts. But for example she does the exact same thing to Jorah when she sends him away, she couldn't 'look him in the eye' for fear she might forgive him. The show also took away a lot of things that showed Dany as caring, and affectionate to those close to her. She had a few scenes with Missandei and her dragons but it probably wasn't enough. She needed a tonne more scenes with Barristan I absolutely HATED what the show did with Doreah. In the book she held the girl as she died, it was a touching moment and showed how much Dany cares about her followers. What do D&D do instead? Have Dany lock her in a vault to starve and die. They also cut the pale mare storyline, so no scene of Dany personally bringing water to the freed slaves. I like badass Dany as much as anyone (look at my avatar ), but they haven't given her enough of those kinds of moments.
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Post by lordcarson on May 18, 2016 3:11:07 GMT
i don't blame her either Qarth was a mess because the writing of it was bad, and she was going through an entitled phase. Like the world owed her everything (to be fair she just gave birth to dragons etc) but i think ultimately it was important for her development and confidence to know she can deal with people like Xaro and be ruthless. Another criticism is she is too 'queenly' but thats exactly who she is in the books. We can't see it as clearly because we have access to her thoughts. But for example she does the exact same thing to Jorah when she sends him away, she couldn't 'look him in the eye' for fear she might forgive him. The show also took away a lot of things that showed Dany as caring, and affectionate to those close to her. She had a few scenes with Missandei and her dragons but it probably wasn't enough. She needed a tonne more scenes with Barristan I absolutely HATED what the show did with Doreah. In the book she held the girl as she died, it was a touching moment and showed how much Dany cares about her followers. What do D&D do instead? Have Dany lock her in a vault to starve and die. They also cut the pale mare storyline, so no scene of Dany personally bringing water to the freed slaves. I like badass Dany as much as anyone (look at my avatar ), but they haven't given her enough of those kinds of moments. Also no scene of Dany shitting and bleeding all over herself so i ain't even mad
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:15:37 GMT
i don't blame her either Qarth was a mess because the writing of it was bad, and she was going through an entitled phase. Like the world owed her everything (to be fair she just gave birth to dragons etc) but i think ultimately it was important for her development and confidence to know she can deal with people like Xaro and be ruthless. Another criticism is she is too 'queenly' but thats exactly who she is in the books. We can't see it as clearly because we have access to her thoughts. But for example she does the exact same thing to Jorah when she sends him away, she couldn't 'look him in the eye' for fear she might forgive him. The show also took away a lot of things that showed Dany as caring, and affectionate to those close to her. She had a few scenes with Missandei and her dragons but it probably wasn't enough. She needed a tonne more scenes with Barristan I absolutely HATED what the show did with Doreah. In the book she held the girl as she died, it was a touching moment and showed how much Dany cares about her followers. What do D&D do instead? Have Dany lock her in a vault to starve and die. They also cut the pale mare storyline, so no scene of Dany personally bringing water to the freed slaves. I like badass Dany as much as anyone (look at my avatar ), but they haven't given her enough of those kinds of moments. I think what was supposed to happen originally in the show is that Doreah would be the death in 2x02 instead of Rakharo. Since the actor playing Rakharo left for another role, I dunno if they reworked some of the Qarth storyline around that, but it's possible.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:15:47 GMT
I absolutely HATED what the show did with Doreah. In the book she held the girl as she died, it was a touching moment and showed how much Dany cares about her followers. What do D&D do instead? Have Dany lock her in a vault to starve and die. They also cut the pale mare storyline, so no scene of Dany personally bringing water to the freed slaves. I like badass Dany as much as anyone (look at my avatar ), but they haven't given her enough of those kinds of moments. Also no scene of Dany shitting and bleeding all over herself so i ain't even mad Eh, shitting aside, that chapter is a million times better than what we got in the show. I would have loved to see some kind of vision quest scene with her seeing Viserys and coming to terms with who she is and her destiny. Instead we got a her trying to mount a tired Drogon, and the Dothraki abducting her.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:20:34 GMT
I absolutely HATED what the show did with Doreah. In the book she held the girl as she died, it was a touching moment and showed how much Dany cares about her followers. What do D&D do instead? Have Dany lock her in a vault to starve and die. They also cut the pale mare storyline, so no scene of Dany personally bringing water to the freed slaves. I like badass Dany as much as anyone (look at my avatar ), but they haven't given her enough of those kinds of moments. I think what was supposed to happen originally in the show is that Doreah would be the death in 2x02 instead of Rakharo. Since the actor playing Rakharo left for another role, I dunno if they reworked some of the Qarth storyline around that, but it's possible. That may be true, but they didn't have to have her betray Dany. How about a scene of Dany finding a stabbed Doreah and comforting her while she died? It was right there with having Dany feed slavers to her dragons. The show has added a couple scenes of Dany being cruel to her enemies when there is more than enough of that in the books. No reason to add more.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:31:11 GMT
I think what was supposed to happen originally in the show is that Doreah would be the death in 2x02 instead of Rakharo. Since the actor playing Rakharo left for another role, I dunno if they reworked some of the Qarth storyline around that, but it's possible. That may be true, but they didn't have to have her betray Dany. How about a scene of Dany finding a stabbed Doreah and comforting her while she died? It was right there with having Dany feed slavers to her dragons. The show has added a couple scenes of Dany being cruel to her enemies when there is more than enough of that in the books. No reason to add more. I don't really understand why she betrayed Dany either. It seemed like something that was thrown in last minute. Yeah I would have much preferred an extension of Dany mourning Barristan instead of feeding the slavers to her dragons.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:33:01 GMT
That may be true, but they didn't have to have her betray Dany. How about a scene of Dany finding a stabbed Doreah and comforting her while she died? It was right there with having Dany feed slavers to her dragons. The show has added a couple scenes of Dany being cruel to her enemies when there is more than enough of that in the books. No reason to add more. I don't really understand why she betrayed Dany either. It seemed like something that was thrown in last minute. Yeah I would have much preferred an extension of Dany mourning Barristan instead of feeding the slavers to her dragons.I really didn't buy the common critique of that scene though, with people saying that that was somehow disproportionate retribution. It was a response to a huge escalation in her conflict with the SotH. At first they only killed one guy, so her response was very measured. Next they killed dozens and the head of her Kingsguard, so she had to do something much more drastic.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:37:25 GMT
I don't really understand why she betrayed Dany either. It seemed like something that was thrown in last minute. Yeah I would have much preferred an extension of Dany mourning Barristan instead of feeding the slavers to her dragons.Although at the time I really didn't buy people saying that that scene was disproportionate retribution. It was a response to a huge escalation in her conflict with the SotH. At first they only killed one guy, so her response was very measured. Next they killed dozens and the head of her Kingsguard, so she had to do something much more drastic. I just hated it because it gave fuel to the Dany is going mad crowd. I guess D&D wanted a cool dragons scene instead of Dany ordering torture like in the book when she heard the SotH had killed the harpist she liked.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:39:42 GMT
Although at the time I really didn't buy people saying that that scene was disproportionate retribution. It was a response to a huge escalation in her conflict with the SotH. At first they only killed one guy, so her response was very measured. Next they killed dozens and the head of her Kingsguard, so she had to do something much more drastic. I just hated it because it gave fuel to the Dany is going mad crowd. I guess D&D wanted a cool dragons scene instead of Dany ordering torture like in the book when she heard the SotH had killed the harpist she liked. I think the torture would've made her look a lot worse tbh.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:43:30 GMT
I just hated it because it gave fuel to the Dany is going mad crowd. I guess D&D wanted a cool dragons scene instead of Dany ordering torture like in the book when she heard the SotH had killed the harpist she liked. I think the torture would've made her look a lot worse tbh. Oh definitely. It's Dany's worst moment in the books, and is really the only morally questionable thing Dany has done that they've omitted. I hate how much the term "whitewashed" is thrown around in regards to the show, bit that's the only time I can see where they've done it with Dany. Tyrion on the other hand...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:45:17 GMT
Tyrion on the other hand... Although avoiding the depths of his ADWD depravity was a good move. And I'm glad they had him being very unidealistic in his politics in this episode.
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Post by Nezzer on May 18, 2016 3:48:29 GMT
I think what was supposed to happen originally in the show is that Doreah would be the death in 2x02 instead of Rakharo. Since the actor playing Rakharo left for another role, I dunno if they reworked some of the Qarth storyline around that, but it's possible. That may be true, but they didn't have to have her betray Dany. How about a scene of Dany finding a stabbed Doreah and comforting her while she died? It was right there with having Dany feed slavers to her dragons. The show has added a couple scenes of Dany being cruel to her enemies when there is more than enough of that in the books. No reason to add more. I'm just glad this scene didn't make it to the final cut
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:50:06 GMT
That may be true, but they didn't have to have her betray Dany. How about a scene of Dany finding a stabbed Doreah and comforting her while she died? It was right there with having Dany feed slavers to her dragons. The show has added a couple scenes of Dany being cruel to her enemies when there is more than enough of that in the books. No reason to add more. I'm just glad this scene didn't make it to the final cut Thank god.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:50:51 GMT
Tyrion on the other hand... Although avoiding the depths of his ADWD depravity was a good move. And I'm glad they had him being very unidealistic in his politics in this episode. ADwD was certainly his low point, but Tyrion was doing shady shit since the beginning. Breaking people's fingers, putting people in stew, threatening to rape his own nephew, etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:54:45 GMT
Although avoiding the depths of his ADWD depravity was a good move. And I'm glad they had him being very unidealistic in his politics in this episode. ADwD was certainly his low point, but Tyrion was doing shady shit since the beginning. Breaking people's fingers, putting people in stew, threatening to rape his own nephew, etc. Besides the Singer's Stew bit which I think would've given him something more interesting to get up to in s3 than what he did, I'm fine with the rest of that being cut.
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