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Post by Basil on Mar 27, 2016 22:02:37 GMT
I don't think George is going to end his epic story with the restoration of the broken system that is the incestuous Targ reign.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 27, 2016 22:31:01 GMT
I don't think George is going to end his epic story with the restoration of the broken system that is the incestuous Targ reign. [br Lol I know a lot of people think it's too good to be true I think she'll give it the ol college try tho. But after Cersei blows up Kings Landing, and destroys the Red Keep, Dany will lose steam. She'll retreat to Dragonstone and try to rule from there. But without actually sitting on the Iron Throne, it will be a real struggle actually getting any support, and she'll rely on Sansa in the North for a lot of support.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Mar 28, 2016 0:09:05 GMT
I don't think George is going to end his epic story with the restoration of the broken system that is the incestuous Targ reign. Yeah, this has never really been a Targ restoration story. Dany's arc is about being a savior/prophesied hero, and her ruling training ground wasn't very valuable experience if she's just going to fire and blood.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 1:06:06 GMT
@nictarion , I think you gave Nezzer a heart attack.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 1:12:22 GMT
I don't think George is going to end his epic story with the restoration of the broken system that is the incestuous Targ reign. Yeah, this has never really been a Targ restoration story. Dany's arc is about being a savior/prophesied hero, and her ruling training ground wasn't very valuable experience if she's just going to fire and blood. I think a Targaryen will absolutely be sitting on the IT at the end, be it Dany, Jon, or even one of their offspring. The Baratheons are finished, and I don't see an entirely new ruling family having much finality to it.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Mar 28, 2016 1:27:38 GMT
Yeah, this has never really been a Targ restoration story. Dany's arc is about being a savior/prophesied hero, and her ruling training ground wasn't very valuable experience if she's just going to fire and blood. I think a Targaryen will absolutely be sitting on the IT at the end, be it Dany, Jon, or even one of their offspring. The Baratheons are finished, and I don't see an entirely new ruling family having much finality to it. Oh, I don't think there will be an IT at the end. Yeah, sure as hell won't be a Baratheon monarch, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 6:46:35 GMT
Either there won't be an Iron Throne, or some random guys will get it. Dany is going to die, and Jon becomes NK.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 12:56:29 GMT
Yeah, this has never really been a Targ restoration story. Dany's arc is about being a savior/prophesied hero, and her ruling training ground wasn't very valuable experience if she's just going to fire and blood. I think a Targaryen will absolutely be sitting on the IT at the end, be it Dany, Jon, or even one of their offspring. The Baratheons are finished, and I don't see an entirely new ruling family having much finality to it. I'm not sure how it'll end but I think people might be disappointing with how things end. I think there will be a ruling family, monarchy ruled our world for a very long time in one form or another, and to some extent it still does in places. It might be a broken system but we've had a hard time getting rid of it.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Mar 29, 2016 1:02:41 GMT
I don't think George is going to end his epic story with the restoration of the broken system that is the incestuous Targ reign. I agree. I'm betting on a collapse of the current system. Either a new age beyond the feudal system, with the ascent of a new ruler class outside the nobility or a return to the past, with independent kingdoms and without a centralized power.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 5:34:29 GMT
I don't think George is going to end his epic story with the restoration of the broken system that is the incestuous Targ reign. On that much we can agree.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Mar 29, 2016 6:03:59 GMT
I don't think George is going to end his epic story with the restoration of the broken system that is the incestuous Targ reign. I agree. I'm betting on a collapse of the current system. Either a new age beyond the feudal system, with the ascent of a new ruler class outside the nobility or a return to the past, with independent kingdoms and without a centralized power. The first suggestion feels very unlikely with how backward Westeros is, even compared to medieval England. Maybe they could develop an actual working justice system or some more rights for the lower classes before making that giant leap.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 7:34:30 GMT
Teah, Westeros abandoning their feudal system won't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 14:42:08 GMT
Long term predictions are so difficult! We all have our guesses of course. Mine are based on a few assumptions which are a bit non-conformist:
Assumption 1: The three heads of the dragon do not necessarily have anything to do with who rules in the end. Targ blood as a source of legitimacy on the throne is highly questionable given that the dynasty was thrown out. Anyone with a drop of Baratheon blood can now justifiably claim just as much legitimacy.
Assumption 2: The Last Hero, Azor Ahai and TQPTWP are ALL prophesies which people assume apply to future ruler(s) when in reality not one of those prophesies says anything at all about any "King" or "Queen". A Prince is not a King.
I think the fight for the throne, globally, comes down to the conflict that has been set up from the beginning between Houses Stark and Lannister. Neither one of those Houses have authority rooted in Targ blood. Jon is very probably the son of Rhaegar, but I am not at all sure he will be King. Instead he will do what he has always done and do what he can to save the Realm fromthe real threat to the North.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 14:53:45 GMT
Long term predictions are so difficult! We all have our guesses of course. Mine are based on a few assumptions which are a bit non-conformist: Assumption 1: The three heads of the dragon do not necessarily have anything to do with who rules in the end. Targ blood as a source of legitimacy on the throne is highly questionable given that the dynasty was thrown out. Anyone with a drop of Baratheon blood can now justifiably claim just as much legitimacy. Assumption 2: The Last Hero, Azor Ahai and TQPTWP are ALL prophesies which people assume apply to future ruler(s) when in reality not one of those prophesies says anything at all about any "King" or "Queen". A Prince is not a King. I think the fight for the throne, globally, comes down to the conflict that has been set up from the beginning between Houses Stark and Lannister. Neither one of those Houses have authority rooted in Targ blood. Jon is very probably the son of Rhaegar, but I am not at all sure he will be King. Instead he will do what he has always done and do what he can to save the Realm fromthe real threat to the North. Nice summary and we applaud non-conventional thinking here. The great "End" is just one area I really admit defeat when trying to come up with a logical theory that makes sense and ties in all the bits and pieces and numerous directions (and misdirections) Mr. Martin has taken us over the years on this merry-go-round ride. I do agree the Azor Ahai myths/theories are likely being misinterpreted by most people and has nothing to do with the Iron Throne or any throne for that matter. I think the truth lies within the outcome of saving Westeros from itself as much as from the Others and both may be tied together. After Robert proved anyone can be king if they overthrow another, it's an open market and anybody's guess. I personally would like to see the Iron Throne go away and the Seven Kingdoms rule themselves in alliance to keep the peace and the contract broken with the Others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 16:33:24 GMT
I agree. I'm betting on a collapse of the current system. Either a new age beyond the feudal system, with the ascent of a new ruler class outside the nobility or a return to the past, with independent kingdoms and without a centralized power. The first suggestion feels very unlikely with how backward Westeros is, even compared to medieval England. Maybe they could develop an actual working justice system or some more rights for the lower classes before making that giant leap. This. Westeros would probably evolve past the feudal system at some point, like our world did, but it's not going to happen in the ASOIAF timeline.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 16:47:47 GMT
I've become pretty confident that my predictions are true, at least with some things.
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Post by Nezzer on Mar 29, 2016 16:57:13 GMT
I've become pretty confident that my predictions are true, at least with some things. No Bolt-On and no Roose killing Ramsay, though
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 17:24:37 GMT
I've become pretty confident that my predictions are true, at least with some things. No Bolt-On and no Roose killing Ramsay, though Maybe Roose doesn't die? He just steals Ramsay's skin and fights against Jon in Snowbowl? That explains Michael's absence in the filming.
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Post by Nezzer on Mar 29, 2016 17:28:27 GMT
No Bolt-On and no Roose killing Ramsay, though Maybe Roose doesn't die? He just steals Ramsay's skin and fights against Jon in Snowbowl? That explains Michael's absence in the filming. It would be great, but it wouldn't be SNOWBOWL then, more like ZOMBIEBOWL or something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 17:30:16 GMT
Maybe Roose doesn't die? He just steals Ramsay's skin and fights against Jon in Snowbowl? That explains Michael's absence in the filming. It would be great, but it wouldn't be SNOWBOWL then, more like ZOMBIEBOWL or something. That'd be fitting, though. Jon is technically a zombie.
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