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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Mar 23, 2016 6:25:16 GMT
lol @ "Run or don't run at all!" but the Boltons outnumbering them 6 to 1 is some bullshit
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Post by Nezzer on Mar 23, 2016 6:59:33 GMT
lol @ "Run or don't run at all!" but the Boltons outnumbering them 6 to 1 is some bullshit Yeah, let's say that Jon managed to gather 2,000 men (marching to Winterfell with anything less than that would be ridiculous, even Stannis had more than that after most of his army deserted him), so Ramsay managed to field an army of 12,000 men? That's 2/3 the size of the initial Northern army, before the war and before the Red Wedding. Where would they come from? The Boltons also had about 2,000 men when they defeated Stannis, how did they manage to add 10,000 more?
This is why I hope at least that part of the leak isn't true, otherwise it will be more unfair and uneven than Stannis' last stand battle in 5x10. I'm okay with the Boltons having the upper hand, like having a couple thousand men more than the Starks, but even twice as many men would already be too much to me, so six times as many is simply absurd.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Mar 23, 2016 8:02:11 GMT
lol @ "Run or don't run at all!" but the Boltons outnumbering them 6 to 1 is some bullshit Yeah, let's say that Jon managed to gather 2,000 men (marching to Winterfell with anything less than that would be ridiculous, even Stannis had more than that after most of his army deserted him), so Ramsay managed to field an army of 12,000 men? That's 2/3 the size of the initial Northern army, before the war and before the Red Wedding. Where would they come from? The Boltons also had about 2,000 men when they defeated Stannis, how did they manage to add 10,000 more?
This is why I hope at least that part of the leak isn't true, otherwise it will be more unfair and uneven than Stannis' last stand battle in 5x10. I'm okay with the Boltons having the upper hand, like having a couple thousand men more than the Starks, but even twice as many men would already be too much to me, so six times as many is simply absurd. yeah, those numbers are crazy. it means nothing for jon to go to rally an army if he can't possibly win without the help of fucking littlefinger.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 8:56:56 GMT
Not to sound like my usual self, but I really hope that that's just bullshit. It sounds sooooo bad.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 9:01:10 GMT
Not to sound like my usual self, but I really hope that that's just bullshit. It sounds sooooo bad. That's what people said after the Hardhome description leaked. Not that I believe this 100 percent because a lot of it doesn't add up. But there are many ways to make just that description into something great. And if anyone can it's Sapochnik.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 9:04:33 GMT
Not to sound like my usual self, but I really hope that that's just bullshit. It sounds sooooo bad. That's what people said after the Hardhome description leaked. Not that I believe this 100 percent because a lot of it doesn't add up. But there are many ways to make just that description into something great. And if anyone can it's Sapochnik. True, way to ruin house Umber. Jon going to battle against those numbers without any solid plans is.. well.. somewhat familiar..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 9:06:36 GMT
That's what people said after the Hardhome description leaked. Not that I believe this 100 percent because a lot of it doesn't add up. But there are many ways to make just that description into something great. And if anyone can it's Sapochnik. True, way to ruin house Umber. Jon going to battle against those numbers without any solid plans is.. well.. somewhat familiar.. ^That scene might be my favourite in the show. So no complaints from me there.
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Post by Nezzer on Mar 23, 2016 9:18:40 GMT
True, way to ruin house Umber. Jon going to battle against those numbers without any solid plans is.. well.. somewhat familiar.. ^That scene might be my favourite in the show. So no complaints from me there. Yeah, but Jon would have to be a huge moron to make the same mistakes knowing that Stannis got his ass kicked the same way. Even Stannis' odds were better than his if these spoilers are true, which makes it even worse. Seeing Jon march to certain defeat would be really frustrating. At least with Stannis the odds weren't against him until episode 509.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 9:20:29 GMT
Calling bullshit on 6 to 1. If thus guy is legit then he's probably just crudely estimating from what he saw which makes it unreliable, especially since so much time has passed. And let's not forget that the majority of the armies on both sides are going to be CGI which is likely still not finished.
aside from that I think the rest is plausible. He's just an extra so he won't have seen everything or have been there for the entire shoot so it's still possible for other deaths to occur, or other characters to be involved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 9:22:41 GMT
^That scene might be my favourite in the show. So no complaints from me there. Yeah, but Jon would have to be a huge moron to make the same mistakes knowing that Stannis got his ass kicked the same way. Even Stannis' odds were better than his if these spoilers are true, which makes it even worse. Seeing Jon march to certain defeat would be really frustrating. At least with Stannis the odds weren't against him until episode 509. I guess it's worth mentioning the odds in ep. 409. Which were even more screwy but imo still made for a good episode. The point being, so long as its tightly-made and interesting, this all shouldn't be a problem. Not that I even believe these spoilers at this point because I have plenty of doubts. But they COULD be done well all the same.
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Post by Nezzer on Mar 23, 2016 9:27:30 GMT
Yeah, but Jon would have to be a huge moron to make the same mistakes knowing that Stannis got his ass kicked the same way. Even Stannis' odds were better than his if these spoilers are true, which makes it even worse. Seeing Jon march to certain defeat would be really frustrating. At least with Stannis the odds weren't against him until episode 509. I guess it's worth mentioning the odds in ep. 409. Which were even more screwy but imo still made for a good episode. The point being, so long as its tightly-made and interesting, this all shouldn't be a problem. Not that I even believe these spoilers at this point because I have plenty of doubts. But they COULD be done well all the same. In 409 they were outnumbered 10 to 1, but they had a huge wall on their side and also had no choice to defend. It's one thing to defend a magical ice wall while being outnumbered 10 to 1, but it's a whole another thing to attack a strong castle while being outnumbered 6 to 1, pretty much suicidal. Anyway, I can agree that Sapochnik can still make a great battle out of it even if it's all true, but I'll remain skeptic until then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 9:30:35 GMT
I guess it's worth mentioning the odds in ep. 409. Which were even more screwy but imo still made for a good episode. The point being, so long as its tightly-made and interesting, this all shouldn't be a problem. Not that I even believe these spoilers at this point because I have plenty of doubts. But they COULD be done well all the same. In 409 they were outnumbered 10 to 1, but they had a huge wall on their side and also had no choice to defend. It's one thing to defend a magical ice wall while being outnumbered 10 to 1, but it's a whole another thing to attack a strong castle while being outnumbered 6 to 1, pretty much suicidal. Anyway, I can agree that Sapochnik can still make a great battle out of it even if it's all true, but I'll remain skeptic until then. I'm 60-40 on these as of now. I'm leaning towards thinking their false but then, I'm not entirely averse to them being true. There's a lot here that I'd enjoy and sounds like it has potential. There're some things that sound like they'd be disappointing that I could conceive of being done better and it also sounds like, if this guy's right, he doesn't know the complete picture of what's going on...but generally SNOWBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL.
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Post by Nezzer on Mar 23, 2016 9:34:21 GMT
In 409 they were outnumbered 10 to 1, but they had a huge wall on their side and also had no choice to defend. It's one thing to defend a magical ice wall while being outnumbered 10 to 1, but it's a whole another thing to attack a strong castle while being outnumbered 6 to 1, pretty much suicidal. Anyway, I can agree that Sapochnik can still make a great battle out of it even if it's all true, but I'll remain skeptic until then. I'm 60-40 on these as of now. I'm leaning towards thinking their false but then, I'm not entirely averse to them being true. There's a lot here that I'd enjoy and sounds like it has potential. There're some things that sound like they'd be disappointing that I could conceive of being done better and it also sounds like, if this guy's right, he doesn't know the complete picture of what's going on...but generally SNOWBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL. Yeah, SNOWBOWL is SNOWBOWL regardless of these details. Just Jon and Ramsay being on opposite sides in the same battle is more than enough reason to GET HYPE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 9:37:58 GMT
I'm 60-40 on these as of now. I'm leaning towards thinking their false but then, I'm not entirely averse to them being true. There's a lot here that I'd enjoy and sounds like it has potential. There're some things that sound like they'd be disappointing that I could conceive of being done better and it also sounds like, if this guy's right, he doesn't know the complete picture of what's going on...but generally SNOWBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL. Yeah, SNOWBOWL is SNOWBOWL regardless of these details. Just Jon and Ramsay being on opposite sides in the same battle is more than enough reason to GET HYPE. And whatever anyone thinks of the rest of these details, being beaten to death with a Bolton shield is a GREAT death for Rams all else aside.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 10:44:14 GMT
wait, we know the 6 to 1 is bullshit. Because that photo of all the banners. Obviously houses switch sides. Also no mention of valemen? Sansa and Lf during the battle?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 10:48:56 GMT
wait, we know the 6 to 1 is bullshit. Because that photo of all the banners. Obviously houses switch sides. Also no mention of valemen? Sansa and Lf during the battle? There's mention of them showing up at the end of the battle and driving the odds against the Boltons.
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Post by day dreamer on Mar 23, 2016 11:54:47 GMT
Hmm I think this could go either way. There was enough Snowbowl coverage out there to make a decent foiler already, but some of the stuff he says sounds like it could happen. That Rickon thing is horrifying though. And I think he's wrong about the numbers. Jon would have other Northern houses on his side, like we assumed the Mormonts were. The thought of Littlefinger "riding into battle" just grosses me out. That leech would be off in the shadows somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 11:56:56 GMT
Hmm I think this could go either way. There was enough Snowbowl coverage out there to make a decent foiler already, but some of the stuff he says sounds like it could happen. That Rickon thing is horrifying though. And I think he's wrong about the numbers. Jon would have other Northern houses on his side, like we assumed the Mormonts were. The thought of Littlefinger "riding into battle" just grosses me out. That leech would be off in the shadows somewhere. Though all it said as IIRC was that LF gives orders. He wouldn't risk his life.
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Post by day dreamer on Mar 23, 2016 12:19:45 GMT
Hmm I think this could go either way. There was enough Snowbowl coverage out there to make a decent foiler already, but some of the stuff he says sounds like it could happen. That Rickon thing is horrifying though. And I think he's wrong about the numbers. Jon would have other Northern houses on his side, like we assumed the Mormonts were. The thought of Littlefinger "riding into battle" just grosses me out. That leech would be off in the shadows somewhere. Though all it said as IIRC was that LF gives orders. He wouldn't risk his life. I kind of don't want to see him at all....unless Sansa is stabbing him in the dick, that I would watch.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 12:27:07 GMT
Though all it said as IIRC was that LF gives orders. He wouldn't risk his life. I kind of don't want to see him at all....unless Sansa is stabbing him in the dick, that I would watch. However accurate or fake these spoilers were, I don't think LF will die until s7. So he'll no doubt finish s6 thinking he's done well for himself. But he'll be wrong in the long run. So wherever he ends up getting stabbed, he won't benefit for his ways and Sansa I think will be involved in that end. So in the long run, he's fucked. Just not yet. But the wait for it will make it even better in a way.
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