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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 18:33:27 GMT
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Post by Admin on Feb 20, 2016 18:44:14 GMT
ADMIN: Guys let's be respectful of each other, please.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 18:44:41 GMT
well this was a dumbass thing to say. I know it's cool to shit on D&D, let's at least keep it reasonable. I don't do it because its 'cool'. Seriously what kind of patronizing shit is that. And I'm completely justified in thinking that. That tends to happen when you make a show that rapes characters for... reasons. No, it was a stupid thing to say. If you don't want people to think you're shitting on them because it's the cool thing to do then don't make such stupid statements about how they would handle a completely different story in a completely different genre, world and setting. |
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Post by Madeleine on Feb 20, 2016 18:52:51 GMT
I don't do it because its 'cool'. Seriously what kind of patronizing shit is that. And I'm completely justified in thinking that. That tends to happen when you make a show that rapes characters for... reasons. No, it was a stupid thing to say. If you don't want people to think you're shitting on them because it's the cool thing to do then don't make such stupid statements about how they would handle a completely different story in a completely different genre, world and setting. Question: Why do you think I was trying to be cool? Even if you actually had read this thread, I actually gave some pretty good reasons why I hate on D&D. But you just ignored that for your thesis for that people bash D&D to look 'cool'. Do you think I'm trying to impress you all or something by looking 'cool'? Is that what you seriously think? And come on, tell me that if they were adapting Harry Potter, they'd do it tastefully. Go ahead, do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 19:01:25 GMT
No, it was a stupid thing to say. If you don't want people to think you're shitting on them because it's the cool thing to do then don't make such stupid statements about how they would handle a completely different story in a completely different genre, world and setting. Question: Why do you think I was trying to be cool? Even if you actually had read this thread, I actually gave some pretty good reasons why I hate on D&D. But you just ignored that for your thesis for that people bash D&D to look 'cool'. Do you think I'm trying to impress you all or something by looking 'cool'? Is that what you seriously think? And come on, tell me that if they were adapting Harry Potter, they'd do it tastefully. Go ahead, do it. gurl, I have no idea who you even are. I am sure you have your reasons for hating on D&D. God knows we all do, especially over the Sansa bullshit. But please don't try and tell us that they would have Lucius rape Luna if you want to be taken seriously, because come on. I would not day they would make a tasteful adaptation, but they are not that stupid. |
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Post by Dragon in the North on Feb 20, 2016 19:09:33 GMT
Its good that we are -apparently- getting changes (gotta see it to believe it). Like, I'm pretty sure if D&D and Cogman made the Harry Potter movies, they'd make Lucius Malfoy rape Luna Lovegood in the Deathly Hallows. D&D didn't invite rape into Westeros. Rape was already a heavy part of it, and D&D are simply adapting Martin's world as faithfully as possible. That's why your Harry Potter scenario doesn't hold up, because rape isn't a big part of the Harry Potter world. |
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Post by Madeleine on Feb 20, 2016 19:10:47 GMT
Question: Why do you think I was trying to be cool? Even if you actually had read this thread, I actually gave some pretty good reasons why I hate on D&D. But you just ignored that for your thesis for that people bash D&D to look 'cool'. Do you think I'm trying to impress you all or something by looking 'cool'? Is that what you seriously think? And come on, tell me that if they were adapting Harry Potter, they'd do it tastefully. Go ahead, do it. gurl, I have no idea who you even are. I am sure you have your reasons for hating on D&D. God knows we all do, especially over the Sansa bullshit. But please don't try and tell us that they would have Lucius rape Luna if you want to be taken seriously, because come on. I would not day they would make a tasteful adaptation, but they are not that stupid. So stop with the whole 'cool' thing. You're right, you don't know who I am. And yes, they were stupid enough for Stannis I lived-off-rats-for-weeks Baratheon to burn his heir, Littlefinger to give Fugitive Number One to the freaking Boltons, the Sand Snakes and Ellaria to kill Myrcella on the same ship a Kingslayer and the heir to Dorne were on, so hey, anythings possible  |
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Post by Madeleine on Feb 20, 2016 19:12:35 GMT
D&D didn't invite rape into Westeros. Rape was already a heavy part of it, and D&D are simply adapting Martin's world as faithfully as possible. That's why your Harry Potter scenario doesn't hold up, because rape isn't a big part of the Harry Potter world. Um... yes rape was part of the HP verse, what do you all think love potions are a metaphor for, or what happened to Umbridge after she was taken by the Centaurs... And yes, D&D did invite rape into Westeros? Tell that to Gilly, I really don't recall an Attempted Rape against her in A Feast For Crows??? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 19:17:02 GMT
gurl, I have no idea who you even are. I am sure you have your reasons for hating on D&D. God knows we all do, especially over the Sansa bullshit. But please don't try and tell us that they would have Lucius rape Luna if you want to be taken seriously, because come on. I would not day they would make a tasteful adaptation, but they are not that stupid. So stop with the whole 'cool' thing. You're right, you don't know who I am. And yes, they were stupid enough for Stannis I lived-off-rats-for-weeks Baratheon to burn his heir, Littlefinger to give Fugitive Number One to the freaking Boltons, the Sand Snakes and Ellaria to kill Myrcella on the same ship a Kingslayer and the heir to Dorne were on, so hey, anythings possible well, if it's not just you trying to be cool, you have an irrationally negative opinion of their abilities as show runners. I guess you prefer the latter  |
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Post by Madeleine on Feb 20, 2016 19:19:49 GMT
So stop with the whole 'cool' thing. You're right, you don't know who I am. And yes, they were stupid enough for Stannis I lived-off-rats-for-weeks Baratheon to burn his heir, Littlefinger to give Fugitive Number One to the freaking Boltons, the Sand Snakes and Ellaria to kill Myrcella on the same ship a Kingslayer and the heir to Dorne were on, so hey, anythings possible well, if it's not just you trying to be cool, you have an irrationally negative opinion of their abilities as show runners. I guess you prefer the latter How is my opinion 'irrational'? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 19:21:00 GMT
well, if it's not just you trying to be cool, you have an irrationally negative opinion of their abilities as show runners. I guess you prefer the latter How is my opinion 'irrational'? because you're trying to seriously say that them having Lucius rape Luna is something that could actually happen  |
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Post by Admin on Feb 20, 2016 19:23:59 GMT
I'm not familiar with Harry Potter enough to weigh in but that is beside the point - this is not a Harry Potter discussion. Please let's stop coming up with adjectives to describe another people's opinions. You guys are welcome to criticize D&D or defend them, but let's be civil towards each other
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Post by Dragon in the North on Feb 20, 2016 19:27:09 GMT
Um... yes rape was part of the HP verse, what do you all think love potions are a metaphor for, or what happened to Umbridge after she was taken by the Centaurs... And yes, D&D did invite rape into Westeros? Tell that to Gilly, I really don't recall an Attempted Rape against her in A Feast For Crows??? All I mean is that rape is a part of the story D&D an Martin are trying to tell. Showing rape is not necessary to tell the Harry Potter story. And I don't recall Umbridge being raped. Tortured, maybe, but not raped. No, Gilly was raped long before that by Craster. D&D didn't invent that, Martin did. |
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Post by Madeleine on Feb 20, 2016 19:28:32 GMT
How is my opinion 'irrational'? because you're trying to seriously say that them having Lucius rape Luna is something that could actually happen key word: 'could'. If not, the Snatchers would make a remark about raping Hermione. I think we'll just agree to disagree. I'd appreciate not being portrayed as someone who tries to look cool, or is worthy of mockery. As we have been all asked to get back on topic, I won't respond to anything else about Harry Potter. I'd appreciate if anyone were to respond to my posts, that they would talk about the Game Of Thrones content in it. |
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Post by Madeleine on Feb 20, 2016 19:30:12 GMT
Um... yes rape was part of the HP verse, what do you all think love potions are a metaphor for, or what happened to Umbridge after she was taken by the Centaurs... And yes, D&D did invite rape into Westeros? Tell that to Gilly, I really don't recall an Attempted Rape against her in A Feast For Crows??? All I mean is that rape is a part of the story D&D an Martin are trying to tell. Showing rape is not necessary to tell the Harry Potter story. And I don't recall Umbridge being raped. Tortured, maybe, but not raped. No, Gilly was raped long before that by Craster. D&D didn't invent that, Martin did. I was talking about the scene in 'The Gift' where brothers of the nights watch attempt to rape Gilly. Not in the books. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 19:43:07 GMT
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Post by Dragon in the North on Feb 20, 2016 19:51:59 GMT
All I mean is that rape is a part of the story D&D an Martin are trying to tell. Showing rape is not necessary to tell the Harry Potter story. And I don't recall Umbridge being raped. Tortured, maybe, but not raped. No, Gilly was raped long before that by Craster. D&D didn't invent that, Martin did. I was talking about the scene in 'The Gift' where brothers of the nights watch attempt to rape Gilly. Not in the books. I know which scene you were talking about. My point is that rape plays a pretty big role in the books, so why is it ok for Martin to have rape in the books, but it's not ok for D&D to have rape in the show? |
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Post by Madeleine on Feb 20, 2016 19:58:33 GMT
I was talking about the scene in 'The Gift' where brothers of the nights watch attempt to rape Gilly. Not in the books. I know which scene you were talking about. My point is that rape plays a pretty big role in the books, so why is it ok for Martin to have rape in the books, but it's not ok for D&D to have rape in the show? The thing is that it has to be done in a tasteful, respectful way that doesn't insult the viewers intelligence. I never said it wasn't okay for D&D to have rape in the show, they just tossed in a scene where Gilly gets nearly raped for no reason at all. We know that the Nights Watch has rapists in it. We know the Wall can be dangerous for a woman. In the books, Gilly and Sam are grieving for Maester Aemon Targaryen, and hence why they have sex (that, and their obvious romantic attraction). Wasn't that enough? Did we need more brutality? GRRM isn't perfect when it comes to rape. See: Lollys Stokeworth. But he never had Jaime rape Cersei, he never had Meera threatened and had gross men joke about raping her. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 20, 2016 19:58:32 GMT
I was talking about the scene in 'The Gift' where brothers of the nights watch attempt to rape Gilly. Not in the books. I know which scene you were talking about. My point is that rape plays a pretty big role in the books, so why is it ok for Martin to have rape in the books, but it's not ok for D&D to have rape in the show? I think given how it's an adaptation, it's...puzzling why there would be a scene like that in the show, where there wasn't any equivalent of it in the book. Like, why out of all the things to add, they chose to add another scene of woman being threatened with sexual violence? |
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Post by Dragon in the North on Feb 20, 2016 20:15:36 GMT
I know which scene you were talking about. My point is that rape plays a pretty big role in the books, so why is it ok for Martin to have rape in the books, but it's not ok for D&D to have rape in the show? The thing is that it has to be done in a tasteful, respectful way that doesn't insult the viewers intelligence. I never said it wasn't okay for D&D to have rape in the show, they just tossed in a scene where Gilly gets nearly raped for no reason at all. We know that the Nights Watch has rapists in it. We know the Wall can be dangerous for a woman. In the books, Gilly and Sam are grieving for Maester Aemon Targaryen, and hence why they have sex (that, and their obvious romantic attraction). Wasn't that enough? Did we need more brutality? GRRM isn't perfect when it comes to rape. See: Lollys Stokeworth. But he never had Jaime rape Cersei, he never had Meera threatened and had gross men joke about raping her. The near rape was the catalyst for Sam bringing Gilly along with him to Oldtown. The Jaime/Cersei rape was the only rape I believe was handled poorly, and that's because it was treated like it wasn't rape. However, a lot of rapes that happened in the books didn't happen in the show, like Lollys, Kyra, and the girl in the Riverlands, I forget her name. Jeyne Pool's rape in the books was way worse than what the show did, and to imply that Jeyne was raped by dogs was completely unnecessary, and seemed to be presented for shock. The men at Crasters were rapists, so it was logical that they would attempt to rape Meera too. |
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