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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2015 9:30:11 GMT
Read the bolded part. Not that I don't appreciate the underlying panic. Aha. Commas can be deceptive, I guess. I really don't want to have to go back to fucking AFOIAF. Are you implying there is even a chance that I'd delete that board because I don't like the show anymore? Why do people here view me as selfish cunt? I may be Stoneheart obsessed and bitter about Stannis but this is a bit much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 9:37:55 GMT
Aha. Commas can be deceptive, I guess. I really don't want to have to go back to fucking AFOIAF. Are you implying there is even a chance that I'd delete that board because I don't like the show anymore? I admit that worry did cross my mind. I mean, if I was that mad at a show, I certainly wouldn't want to run a forum about it. It would be understandable really but I'm glad you're not going to.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2015 9:42:05 GMT
Are you implying there is even a chance that I'd delete that board because I don't like the show anymore? I admit that worry did cross my mind. I mean, if I was that mad at a show, I certainly wouldn't want to run a forum about it. It would be understandable really but I'm glad you're not going to. Well I'm a responsible person. I started something, I'm not gonna abandon it. Also I like the people here, wish some of them didn't leave because of what the writers are doing and instead just hanged around to bitch about them or post in general board section, which is probably gonna be my own future here (in addition to minding the shop)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 10:37:47 GMT
I think there is a huge gap between die-hard-book fans and the general audience. The former are really, really pissed off and very vocal about it and the latter are still enjoying the show, maybe see some ups and downs, but are still overall satisfied just not very vocal about it. Also, I see two different kinds of reactions: there are the people who are angry at D&D and HBO: "how could they do that to character XY" and then there is a second group of people who are pissed at characters IN the story and say things like "how could character ZY do that to character XY?" Just for the record: I'm not judging any of this, just making observations. Actually I'm seeing a lot 'done with this' comments from the people who have no clue what's in the books. Also there are people like my cousin did like the finale but said she won't watch because Jon is dead. I didn't bother guiding her towards 'hey don't you remember that people can come back?' idea because why the fuck shall I do show's job for them. But the thing that repulsed me today was as I was reading some article and it said people won't really miss or mourn Stannis because he burned his daughter. D&D took everything, everything from Stannis' fans. Well, I guess if people think that Jon's really dead, then the show has done a good job IMO. That is exactly what the scene should accomplish. But in contrast to your observations, I must say that my Unsullieds told me that Mel is probably going to bring Jon back, so I guess some show-watchers picked up on that. I guess it also depends very much on who one's favourite character is. Most people I know (both Sullieds and Unsullieds) care a lot about the Starks, about the intrigue in King's Landing and about Dany and these people are still very much invested in the show. Stannis, on the other hand, is quite unpopular in my circle of friends and has been even before Stephen Dillane ever had a single scene on the show (who btw is a GREAT actor and a GREAT Stannis and I'm sad to see him go). So those people are not very surprised about his scenes in 5x09 and 5x10, they even said to me that it was completely in-line with their impression of book!Stannis as well (whether I agree with this assessment or not is an entirely different thing and I haven't made up my mind yet). But I have to admit, when I read the books I would never have guessed in a million years that Stannis would become such a popular character. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I do believe that Stannis is not as morally good as some fans interpret him to be. Quite frankly, he (like many other characters as well) did some despicable things in the books, too. Whether he would or would not burn his own child is a question I don't know the answer to, though. My point is whether one likes season 5 or not also depends very much on characer preferences. If you are a huge Stannis the Mannis-fan, I can totally see how this season was not for you, but I would be hesitant to condemn the whole show and say that they got it all wrong. I didn't like how they handled the Shireen burning from a storytelling point of view as well. It should have been better written and better explained as to why Stannis changed his mind all of a sudden. That is actually one of the reasons 5x09 didn't work for me. But people seemed to be pissed not only about that, but also about the mere fact that he did it in the first place. And that's where I'm not so sure and where I seem to interpret his moral integrity in a slightly more ambiguous way. Alas, I hope I haven't pissed you off with this posting. If I have, then I apologize. That is definitely not my intention. I just want to point out my impression that there are many people who don't think that the show committed character assassination in regards to Stannis and that one's overall enjoyment of the season mostly depends on the fate of one's favourite characters. Or in other words: the season is more than one single character. If I were to judge the show on Catelyn Stark/LSH alone, who happens to be one of my favourite characters, I would be fuming. I decided not to do that, because I know that the show does so many other things right. Is it a good adaption? Well, not really. But is it good TV? Yes, I think so and I believe the majority of the audience thinks so as well.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2015 11:44:26 GMT
Actually I'm seeing a lot 'done with this' comments from the people who have no clue what's in the books. Also there are people like my cousin did like the finale but said she won't watch because Jon is dead. I didn't bother guiding her towards 'hey don't you remember that people can come back?' idea because why the fuck shall I do show's job for them. But the thing that repulsed me today was as I was reading some article and it said people won't really miss or mourn Stannis because he burned his daughter. D&D took everything, everything from Stannis' fans. Well, I guess if people think that Jon's really dead, then the show has done a good job IMO. That is exactly what the scene should have accomplished. But in contrast to your observations, I must say that my Unsullieds told me that Mel is probably going to bring Jon back, so I guess some show-watchers picked up on that. I guess it also depends very much on who one's favourite character is. Most people I know (both Sullieds and Unsullieds) care a lot about the Starks, about the intrigue in King's Landing and about Dany and these people are still very much invested in the show. Stannis, on the other hand, is quite unpopular in my circle of friends and has been even before Stephen Dillane ever had a single scene on the show (who btw is a GREAT actor and a GREAT Stannis and I'm sad to see him go). So those people are not very surprised about his scenes in 5x09 and 5x10, they even said to me that it was completely in-line with their impression of book!Stannis as well (whether I agree with this assessment or not is an entirely different thing and I haven't made up my mind yet). But I have to admit, when I read the books I would never have guessed in a million years that Stannis would become such a popular character. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I do believe that Stannis is not as morally good as some fans interpret him to be. Quite frankly, he (like many other characters as well) did some despicable things in the books, too. Whether he would or would not burn his own child is a question I don't know the answer to, though. My point is whether one likes season 5 or not also depends very much on characer preferences. If you are a huge Stannis the Mannis-fan, I can totally see how this season was not for you, but I would be hesitate to condemn the whole show and say that they got it all wrong. I didn't like how they handled the Shireen burning from a storytelling point of view as well. It should have been better written and better explained as to why Stannis changed his mind all of a sudden. That is actually one of the reasons 5x09 didn't work for me. But people seemed to be pissed not only about that, but also about the mere fact that he did it in the first place. And that's where I'm not so sure and where I seem to interpret his moral integrity in a slightly more ambiguous way. Alas, I hope I haven't pissed you of with this posting. If I have, then I apologize. That is definitely not my intention. I just want to point out my impression that there are many people who don't think that the show committed character assassination in regards to Stannis and that one's overall enjoyment of the season mostly depends on the fate of one's favourite characters. Or in other words: the season is more than one single character. If I were to judge the show on Catelyn Stark/LSH alone, who happens to be one of my favourite characters, I would be fuming. I decided not to do that, because I know that the show does so many other things right. Is it a good adaption? Well, not really. But is it good TV? Yes, I think so and I believe the majority of the audience thinks so as well. It's really not about whether or not the show is for this group of fans or this group of fans. This season was just horribly written, simple as that. They had off moments in the past but the mixture of whatever Dorne was, what was done to Stannis, burning of Shireen, the lack of RW revenge for two straight seasons, horribly obvious foreshadowing, lines that are just cringeworhty, straight up abandoning of the characters - eg. Roose and Tyrells being absent in finale, let's not even mention Sansa being in WF and no longer being married to Tyrion because LF is apparently the Judge and the Septon all in one - is just a fan boner killer. And the worst yet - it's just not entertaining. I heard claims watching the finale was like abuse and it's much like that with whole season. Before the show was dark and unpleasant too but at least it was satisfying with its conclusions and shocks. Plot came first, twist second. Here it was the other way around. The show jumped the shark for me big time with the burning of Shireen and it didn't have much to do with Stannis being my favorite character - it was dumb, horribly set up, rushed and unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 11:46:00 GMT
Wonder if Season 6 premiere will hit 9 million.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2015 11:54:10 GMT
Wonder if Season 6 premiere will hit 9 million. Unless they fire their interns and give us good marketing campaign (which Is unlikely) don't count on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 12:08:56 GMT
Wonder if Season 6 premiere will hit 9 million. Probably, if not higher. A lot of people will want to know the fate of Jon Snow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 12:26:30 GMT
Actually I'm seeing a lot 'done with this' comments from the people who have no clue what's in the books. Also there are people like my cousin did like the finale but said she won't watch because Jon is dead. I didn't bother guiding her towards 'hey don't you remember that people can come back?' idea because why the fuck shall I do show's job for them. But the thing that repulsed me today was as I was reading some article and it said people won't really miss or mourn Stannis because he burned his daughter. D&D took everything, everything from Stannis' fans. Well, I guess if people think that Jon's really dead, then the show has done a good job IMO. That is exactly what the scene should have accomplished. But in contrast to your observations, I must say that my Unsullieds told me that Mel is probably going to bring Jon back, so I guess some show-watchers picked up on that. I guess it also depends very much on who one's favourite character is. Most people I know (both Sullieds and Unsullieds) care a lot about the Starks, about the intrigue in King's Landing and about Dany and these people are still very much invested in the show. Stannis, on the other hand, is quite unpopular in my circle of friends and has been even before Stephen Dillane ever had a single scene on the show (who btw is a GREAT actor and a GREAT Stannis and I'm sad to see him go). So those people are not very surprised about his scenes in 5x09 and 5x10, they even said to me that it was completely in-line with their impression of book!Stannis as well (whether I agree with this assessment or not is an entirely different thing and I haven't made up my mind yet). But I have to admit, when I read the books I would never have guessed in a million years that Stannis would become such a popular character. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I do believe that Stannis is not as morally good as some fans interpret him to be. Quite frankly, he (like many other characters as well) did some despicable things in the books, too. Whether he would or would not burn his own child is a question I don't know the answer to, though. My point is whether one likes season 5 or not also depends very much on characer preferences. If you are a huge Stannis the Mannis-fan, I can totally see how this season was not for you, but I would be hesitant to condemn the whole show and say that they got it all wrong. I didn't like how they handled the Shireen burning from a storytelling point of view as well. It should have been better written and better explained as to why Stannis changed his mind all of a sudden. That is actually one of the reasons 5x09 didn't work for me. But people seemed to be pissed not only about that, but also about the mere fact that he did it in the first place. And that's where I'm not so sure and where I seem to interpret his moral integrity in a slightly more ambiguous way. Alas, I hope I haven't pissed you of with this posting. If I have, then I apologize. That is definitely not my intention. I just want to point out my impression that there are many people who don't think that the show committed character assassination in regards to Stannis and that one's overall enjoyment of the season mostly depends on the fate of one's favourite characters. Or in other words: the season is more than one single character. If I were to judge the show on Catelyn Stark/LSH alone, who happens to be one of my favourite characters, I would be fuming. I decided not to do that, because I know that the show does so many other things right. Is it a good adaption? Well, not really. But is it good TV? Yes, I think so and I believe the majority of the audience thinks so as well. I sort of agree with this, especially when it comes to Unsullied. I sometimes participate in the Fan Forum Game of Thrones forum. It's a very light forum, not a lot of in depth discussion or anything but the fans there are dedicated tot heir TV shows. For those who weren't Stannis fans the show was great, they loved this season and can't wait for the next. They're especially anxious to know what will happen with Jon's fate.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2015 12:33:24 GMT
My Unsullied just assumed he is dead
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 12:40:17 GMT
I truly hope that we have better marketing for next season. Character posters, trailers. It was horrible this year.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2015 12:49:20 GMT
I truly hope that we have better marketing for next season. Character posters, trailers. It was horrible this year. Oh I'm 100% certain we are getting character posters. For four fucking years Stannis didn't get one and to assure he doesn't get one this year, you know when for once he had lots of screen time, they pre-emptively didn't do any. Now there is no need for one, problem solved.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 12:56:00 GMT
The promotional material for this season was really fucking terrible. Only one poster? And of course it had St Tyrion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 12:58:33 GMT
That Raven campaign in particular was a complete joke. That said, I don't think the marketing matters at all at this point. It's get incredible buzz, people know when it's airing, they'll tune in.
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 17, 2015 13:11:30 GMT
Wonder if Season 6 premiere will hit 9 million. Probably, if not higher. A lot of people will want to know the fate of Jon Snow. I think that is the thing right there. Big cliffhangers traditionally (Dallas, Who Shot JR?) make for great ratings and Jon Snow's fate definitely falls in that category. I'll just add, my husband is a die hard fan of the show and excuses a lot of what they do and he said that finale was absolutely awful. Granted he is no sample of the general audience, but if he said that-given how much he loves the show, is telling to me.
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Post by Enid on Jun 17, 2015 14:00:15 GMT
That Raven campaign in particular was a complete joke. That said, I don't think the marketing matters at all at this point. It's get incredible buzz, people know when it's airing, they'll tune in. The three-eyed raven campaign could have been good if: a) the video actually worked and could be watched more than once. b) the only character who has the sight in the whole show was a part of the season. Making a campaign based on Bran to promote the season that has left him out was the stupidest idea any marketing department could ever have.
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Post by freypies on Jun 17, 2015 16:47:17 GMT
Really? I've just read reviews, checked Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB's score and stuck here myself. It seemed to be pretty well-received from what I saw but, anyhow, I liked it whether it was or not. I'm sure you could sell contact lenses to a blind man, but I'm just telling you what I read and what I see as a reviewer of the show for the past 3 years. None other episode was as badly received and I only had the time to glance at the comments, but they seem to have a lot of complaints in them. It had great critical reception though. 9.1 from the critics on average on Rotten Tomatoes. I feel that the people who were angry with it were simply angry because there were so many fan favourites who died this time around. I didn't see anything wrong with the episode itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 17:22:00 GMT
Yeah, my own experience has shown most people really liked the finale. Some thought it was a bit disjointed, but that each individual scene on it's own worked well, it just didn't all flow together very well. And yes, that includes what happened in the North.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 17:27:01 GMT
Yeah, my own experience has shown most people really liked the finale. Some thought it was a bit disjointed, but that each individual scene on it's own worked well, it just didn't all flow together very well. And yes, that includes what happened in the North. Well they only had about 16 million cliffhangers and kept jump cutting that's why it didn't flow well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 18:00:29 GMT
Yeah the people I talked to loved it.
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