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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 4:42:59 GMT
I think Kevan will send Jaime to the Riverlands to restore it to the Tully's, so I wonder where that'll leave Jaime when he returns and Kevan's been offed by Varys. Wait, why would Kevan want to restore the Tullys? It's most likely that it's the opposite; that Jaime is bringing Lannister troops to reinforce the Freys, help them against those pesky outlaws and maybe even give them a Lannister bride. To start to set right all the shit Cersei and Tywin have done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 4:44:02 GMT
Wait, why would Kevan want to restore the Tullys? It's most likely that it's the opposite; that Jaime is bringing Lannister troops to reinforce the Freys, help them against those pesky outlaws and maybe even give them a Lannister bride. To start to set right all the shit Cersei and Tywin have done. Ah but Kevan doesn't think that what Tywin did was wrong. He was Tywin's guy through and through and Cersei didn't have anything to do with the Riverlands.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 4:50:02 GMT
Ah but Kevan doesn't think that what Tywin did was wrong. He was Tywin's guy through and through and Cersei didn't have anything to do with the Riverlands. It would be cool to have the transition in 6x10 be Red Wedding 2.0, Varys killing Kevan and Pycelle, Dany landing in Westeros, and the Wall falling down.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 4:59:35 GMT
Ah but Kevan doesn't think that what Tywin did was wrong. He was Tywin's guy through and through and Cersei didn't have anything to do with the Riverlands. It would be cool to have the transition in 6x10 be Red Wedding 2.0, Varys killing Kevan and Pycelle, Dany landing in Westeros, and the Wall falling down. It's not looking like we'll have Dany landing in Westeros in s6 alas. Probably her heading out though. But all of those other things are very likely for the finale, I think.
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Post by Admin on Oct 7, 2015 5:32:31 GMT
I'm browsing imdb board for the show and I laughed so hard when I saw archiechvyalthan thread title - "Shae the Funny Whore CONFIRMED for season 6"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 6:49:03 GMT
A few things,
I'm not so sure Varys will go to KL to get rid of Kevin and Pycelle, i don't see a reason for that to happen. I'm sure by the time he gets to KL- late season 6 start of season 7- Cersei will already have had her trial and gone batshit insane by then (because i think tommen will die). I guess having Kevan die is quite necessary because he usually has authority over her- but in the show Cersei pretty much told him to piss off and he was happy to do that so i'm not sure it makes much sense for both their show characters. I think maybe Varys leaving is temporary or he'll meet them in Volantis/pentos or somewhere. Maybe he is going to Dorne to forge the alliance with trystane martell who may be dead by the time he gets there (shadowing Doran's plan for Dany). This is all so confusing
Ah shit i forgot the second thing i wanted to say..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:01:50 GMT
A few things, I'm not so sure Varys will go to KL to get rid of Kevin and Pycelle, i don't see a reason for that to happen. I'm sure by the time he gets to KL- late season 6 start of season 7- Cersei will already have had her trial and gone batshit insane by then (because i think tommen will die). I guess having Kevan die is quite necessary because he usually has authority over her- but in the show Cersei pretty much told him to piss off and he was happy to do that so i'm not sure it makes much sense for both their show characters. I think maybe Varys leaving is temporary or he'll meet them in Volantis/pentos or somewhere. Maybe he is going to Dorne to forge the alliance with trystane martell who may be dead by the time he gets there (shadowing Doran's plan for Dany). This is all so confusing. Kevan's Hand of the King now and refused to even see Cersei in her cell in ep.508 and 510. Qyburn said he and Pycelle are running the Small Council now. So they will definitely be a force tempering her influence in KL in s6. I imagine they'll be pushing for peace with Dorne while Cersei pushes for war and that's why Varys would need to get them out of the way because he needs Dorne to go with Dany.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:06:18 GMT
A few things, I'm not so sure Varys will go to KL to get rid of Kevin and Pycelle, i don't see a reason for that to happen. I'm sure by the time he gets to KL- late season 6 start of season 7- Cersei will already have had her trial and gone batshit insane by then (because i think tommen will die). I guess having Kevan die is quite necessary because he usually has authority over her- but in the show Cersei pretty much told him to piss off and he was happy to do that so i'm not sure it makes much sense for both their show characters. I think maybe Varys leaving is temporary or he'll meet them in Volantis/pentos or somewhere. Maybe he is going to Dorne to forge the alliance with trystane martell who may be dead by the time he gets there (shadowing Doran's plan for Dany). This is all so confusing. Kevan's Hand of the King now and refused to even see Cersei in her cell in ep.508 and 510. Qyburn said he and Pycelle are running the Small Council now. So they will definitely be a force tempering her influence in KL in s6. I imagine they'll be pushing for peace with Dorne while Cersei pushes for war and that's why Varys would need to get them out of the way because he needs Dorne to go with Dany. Cersei is still queen though. She'll act nice for a while but once her trial is over thats it i reckon. shes going to go batshit crazy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:11:36 GMT
Kevan's Hand of the King now and refused to even see Cersei in her cell in ep.508 and 510. Qyburn said he and Pycelle are running the Small Council now. So they will definitely be a force tempering her influence in KL in s6. I imagine they'll be pushing for peace with Dorne while Cersei pushes for war and that's why Varys would need to get them out of the way because he needs Dorne to go with Dany. Cersei is still queen though. She'll act nice for a while but once her trial is over thats it i reckon. shes going to go batshit crazy Kevan said he doesn't recognize her authority to dictate anything to him back in ep. 502. And I imagine his bannermen, the Tyrells and most people in and around KL will be more inclined to obey him than her, particularly now after the WoS. And from ep. 503 and onMarge was referred to as Queen and Cersei only as Queen Mother or Dowager, so I think in show-canon, Tommen's marriage made Margeary technically more powerful than Cersei.
So Cersei will have to play very nice and bide her time. But yes, when the time comes (and it will) she'll let it all go. And it will be glorious.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:16:48 GMT
You know, since Cersei is the Lady of Castely Rock, Kevan owes her his allegiance. I wish Cersei had dragged him for being such a dick to her in season 5 because it was really out of line
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:18:02 GMT
You know, since Cersei is the Lady of Castely Rock, Kevan owes her his allegiance. I wish Cersei had dragged him for being such a dick to her in season 5 because it was really out of line He did pretty much usurp her but I'm pretty sure most people including their bannerman and allies will be pretty cool with that. Which is why him dying in the show still has to go down.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:23:58 GMT
He did pretty much usurp her but I'm pretty sure most people including their bannerman and allies will be pretty cool with that. Which is why him dying in the show still has to go down. He's also Hand of the King so that automatically gives him more power over Cersei who's been downgraded to Queen Mother. I still think the idea of Varys killing Kevan and Pycelle and escaping to Dorne afterward works because it's power play it opens the door for Dany to more successfully land in Westeros and it fucks Cersei's life up even more since she'll have nobody left to protect her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:25:02 GMT
He did pretty much usurp her but I'm pretty sure most people including their bannerman and allies will be pretty cool with that. Which is why him dying in the show still has to go down. He's also Hand of the King so that automatically gives him more power over Cersei who's been downgraded to Queen Mother. I still think the idea of Varys killing Kevan and Pycelle and escaping to Dorne afterward works because it's power play it opens the door for Dany to more successfully land in Westeros and it fucks Cersei's life up even more since she'll have nobody left to protect her. Though she'll see it as an opportunity of course. Because
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:29:13 GMT
Though she'll see it as an opportunity of course. Because
But she's had so many opportunities and she nearly fucks up every time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:31:20 GMT
Though she'll see it as an opportunity of course. Because
But she's had so many opportunities and she nearly fucks up every time. Which is what's so fun. And this one will be the biggest of them all. She's gonna kill a fuckton of people.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Oct 7, 2015 8:01:15 GMT
Yeah I like this idea as well, but I'm trying to figure how Tyrion and Varys will handle the situation. We know Varys leaves at some point (most likely 6x07) so is it possible that the famine hits/Yunkai besieges Meereen straight after he's gone or while he's still there. I don't think Kinvara will die. I think she'll live to influence Dany in s7. Very possible. Since she's a strange merger of Benerro and Moqorro, as far as I can tell they can take it either way. Again though, if they're throwing Marwyn into the mix somehow, and given they're doing Sam in Oldtown, and his name has been dropped by Qyburn in the show, I imagine he'll be in in some capacity. Not sure if he'll take off for Meereen at all, or if in the same way. But if Marwyn is going to become Dany's majestic adviser, and that's a big if if it happens in the books as well, I'm not sure how much screen time they could dedicate to both characters. They already killed Barristan off cuz they just didn't have the time or purpose. ---- There are so many dang forks analyzing the show any more that it's almost impossible to predict what paths its going to take. I feel like it's an NCAA March Madness Bracket.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 8:04:30 GMT
I don't think Kinvara will die. I think she'll live to influence Dany in s7. Very possible. Since she's a strange merger of Benerro and Moqorro, as far as I can tell they can take it either way. Again though, if they're throwing Marwyn into the mix somehow, and given they're doing Sam in Oldtown, and his name has been dropped by Qyburn in the show, I imagine he'll be in in some capacity. Not sure if he'll take off for Meereen at all, or if in the same way. When? I'm in the middle of yet another rewatch and I've never picked up on that in s3, s4 or s5.
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Post by cami on Oct 7, 2015 10:36:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 10:37:53 GMT
the greyscale is coming...where? to his face? NO NOT THE FACE!!
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Post by boojam on Oct 7, 2015 11:10:24 GMT
No I think Varys will be in Dorne at the beginning of Season 7. That fits. Killing Kevan and Pycelle who are much more pragmatic figures and leaving a vengeful Cersei in charge in KL guarantees Doran will have to side with Dany. Though of course Varys isn't likely to tell Doran he did so. Dorne. There seems to be a big 'Dothraki-shoot' coming up in El Chorrillo Sierra Alhamilla, that runs this weekend till ?, then approximately ? weeks in Spain until the 24th ? That's it for Spain? Will some Dorne stuff be squeezed in in the last week? I mean , I know, some Dornish stuff can be shot in NI, and Dornish at KL in Belfast. I guess everything moves to NI? A whole month , November, plus, I guess that's KL interiors? Riverlands, North, and god knows what, the Vale? Seems they didn't finish with Braavos, but maybe that's all interiors in Belfast?
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