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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 13:08:04 GMT
But the reason for killing Tywin in the show was basically "u r mean and don't like me, u wanted me ded, i kill u now", which Tyrion has known since he was a toddler. If I were him, I had killed Cersei for accusing him in the first place. Tywin knew Tyrion didn't do it, he just used the opportunity to get Tyrion out of his world, either to the Wall or the Seven Hells. I agree with that, and as I said, I wish Jaime had mentioned Tysha and I wish the scenes between him and Tyrion, and the one between Tyrion and Tywin, had played out more or less the same way as in the books. Although, let's be real, it probably wouldn't have worked. In the books, Tyrion thinks about Tysha a lot, so the reader always knows who she is and what happened to her. In the show, she was mentioned ... once, I think, back in Season 1, so most people have most likely forgotten about her already. Compared to many other changes (no LSH, no Riverlands so far, no northern lords, Dorne, Selmy's death, the whole Stannis/Shireen thing, etc.) - this one doesn't bother me in the slightest. On the contrary, I'm glad Show!Tyrion didn't make the search for Tysha his new top priority in life. Taking into account that it's really unlikely Tyrion will ever meet Tysha again. But I'm worried that they will have Jaime being mad at Tyrion for killing their father. In the books Tyrion is mad at Jaime for Tysha. Also I hate that the show turns Jaime to opposite almost in everything. It's Jaime who still wants to be with Cersei. It's Jaime who wants to kill Tyrion, not opposite. Also Jaime rapes Cersei (let's not discuss this any further) and has sex with her even after the Joffrey incident.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 19:49:46 GMT
That fan fiction is not a criminal offence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 20:03:00 GMT
I agree with that, and as I said, I wish Jaime had mentioned Tysha and I wish the scenes between him and Tyrion, and the one between Tyrion and Tywin, had played out more or less the same way as in the books. Although, let's be real, it probably wouldn't have worked. In the books, Tyrion thinks about Tysha a lot, so the reader always knows who she is and what happened to her. In the show, she was mentioned ... once, I think, back in Season 1, so most people have most likely forgotten about her already. Compared to many other changes (no LSH, no Riverlands so far, no northern lords, Dorne, Selmy's death, the whole Stannis/Shireen thing, etc.) - this one doesn't bother me in the slightest. On the contrary, I'm glad Show!Tyrion didn't make the search for Tysha his new top priority in life. Taking into account that it's really unlikely Tyrion will ever meet Tysha again. But I'm worried that they will have Jaime being mad at Tyrion for killing their father. In the books Tyrion is mad at Jaime for Tysha. Also I hate that the show turns Jaime to opposite almost in everything. It's Jaime who still wants to be with Cersei. It's Jaime who wants to kill Tyrion, not opposite. Also Jaime rapes Cersei (let's not discuss this any further) and has sex with her even after the Joffrey incident. I will admit the show shifts blame from major characters, Shireen burned at Stan's camp so Jon can't be blamed, Jorah not being a perv (which I like, because show Jorah is a badass, and the fact Iain Glenn can do his stunts for real is awesome), Tyrion has a lot of his errors removed, Cersei is a far more sympathetic character, Bronn is no longer entirely without morals and more, but as much as they paint the show as multi depth, I'm sure they want to maintain some distinct GOOD characters.
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Post by Admin on Aug 13, 2015 20:09:28 GMT
Taking into account that it's really unlikely Tyrion will ever meet Tysha again. But I'm worried that they will have Jaime being mad at Tyrion for killing their father. In the books Tyrion is mad at Jaime for Tysha. Also I hate that the show turns Jaime to opposite almost in everything. It's Jaime who still wants to be with Cersei. It's Jaime who wants to kill Tyrion, not opposite. Also Jaime rapes Cersei (let's not discuss this any further) and has sex with her even after the Joffrey incident. I will admit the show shifts blame from major characters, Shireen burned at Stan's camp so Jon can't be blamed, Jorah not being a perv (which I like, because show Jorah is a badass, and the fact Iain Glenn can do his stunts for real is awesome), Tyrion has a lot of his errors removed, Cersei is a far more sympathetic character, Bronn is no longer entirely without morals and more, but as much as they paint the show as multi depth, I'm sure they want to maintain some distinct GOOD characters. The thing is that skilled and talented writers don't need to whitewash characters to still have the audience root for them. Al Swearengen has chilren's blood on his hands and yet you still root for him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 20:27:45 GMT
I will admit the show shifts blame from major characters, Shireen burned at Stan's camp so Jon can't be blamed, Jorah not being a perv (which I like, because show Jorah is a badass, and the fact Iain Glenn can do his stunts for real is awesome), Tyrion has a lot of his errors removed, Cersei is a far more sympathetic character, Bronn is no longer entirely without morals and more, but as much as they paint the show as multi depth, I'm sure they want to maintain some distinct GOOD characters. The thing is that skilled and talented writers don't need to whitewash characters to still have the audience root for them. Al Swearengen has chilren's blood on his hands and yet you still root for him. I think D&D are just getting tired of the show at this point TBH. They don't seem nearly as enthusiastic as they did back in season one. Now it seems more like they just wanna end it. If you wanted to fill all the details, then you'd do a season 8, like HBO want them too, bit D&D are adamant on doing seven. Seems to me there through with Thrones and want to cash out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 20:38:39 GMT
The thing is that skilled and talented writers don't need to whitewash characters to still have the audience root for them. Al Swearengen has chilren's blood on his hands and yet you still root for him. I think D&D are just getting tired of the show at this point TBH. They don't seem nearly as enthusiastic as they did back in season one. Now it seems more like they just wanna end it. If you wanted to fill all the details, then you'd do a season 8, like HBO want them too, bit D&D are adamant on doing seven. Seems to me there through with Thrones and want to cash out. Nah. They just realized angry LSH and Stannis fans are coming. BTW Jaime's one of my favourite characters. They did him SO good in Season 3 but everything went downhill after that.
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Post by Admin on Aug 13, 2015 20:50:43 GMT
The thing is that skilled and talented writers don't need to whitewash characters to still have the audience root for them. Al Swearengen has chilren's blood on his hands and yet you still root for him. I think D&D are just getting tired of the show at this point TBH. They don't seem nearly as enthusiastic as they did back in season one. Now it seems more like they just wanna end it. If you wanted to fill all the details, then you'd do a season 8, like HBO want them too, bit D&D are adamant on doing seven. Seems to me there through with Thrones and want to cash out. I don't think this is the case. I think they just figured out the show is so successful they can just go ahead with their sexist fan fic version and no matter how much fans of the books complain, they are untouchable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 20:53:54 GMT
I think D&D are just getting tired of the show at this point TBH. They don't seem nearly as enthusiastic as they did back in season one. Now it seems more like they just wanna end it. If you wanted to fill all the details, then you'd do a season 8, like HBO want them too, bit D&D are adamant on doing seven. Seems to me there through with Thrones and want to cash out. I don't think this is the case. I think they just figured out the show is so successful they can just go ahead with their sexist fan fic version and no matter how much fans of the books complain, they are untouchable. Starring David Benioff and D.B. Weiss THE UNTOUCHABLE
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 6:28:15 GMT
The thing is that skilled and talented writers don't need to whitewash characters to still have the audience root for them. Al Swearengen has chilren's blood on his hands and yet you still root for him. That's interesting because I didn't root for Al until s2 and s3 by which time he wasn't the antagonist in the show anymore. And he did come across as a lot less nasty in those last two years, although I wouldn't be one to call that whitewashing. I certainly didn't root for him in s1 though, when he was at his nastiest and most ruthless. He was always the most interesting and most dynamic character in the show of course but Milch really did change how prominent and how sympathetic he'd be in the show after the first season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 6:32:16 GMT
As for another unpopular belief about the series...I think that at some point Arya will assassinate another of the main characters. And a sympaethic one, I mean. I dunno who yet...I dunno when...but someone big.
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Post by King Tommen on Aug 14, 2015 6:48:44 GMT
Not that controversial but the NW are a fucking awful collection of boring people that drag Jon down by association. They are gigantic sticks in the mud who are so self-serious that I spent most of ADwD wondering why Jon just didn't tell them all to fuck off and join up with the Wildlings for good. At least those guys know how to crack a joke once in a while. I hope the Wall falls down on the entire NW this season and crushes them all.
I also like Yara more than Asha.
I also don't really care for any story that takes place in Essos since it basically feels like the spot where characters get sidelined to until they need to rejoin the real story in Westeros. I don't care about the politics there, slavery, how supposedly "cool" the free cities are, what Volantis maybe will or won't do etc. Also, the Dothraki are terrible and should have been wiped from the story after Drogo died never to return.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 6:58:34 GMT
I also like Yara more than Asha. Ok, you're going to have to explain this one. "Yara" is one of my biggest gripes with the show tbh. Don't really care for the actress, the way they write the character, or the stupid name change.
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Post by King Tommen on Aug 14, 2015 7:08:34 GMT
I also like Yara more than Asha. Ok, you're going to have to explain this one. "Yara" is one of my biggest gripes with the show tbh. Don't really care for the actress, the way they write the character, or the stupid name change. I don't care about the name change and I think people who still bitch about 4 seasons later should probably just get over it. I'm not really so much into the "girl power" spin the books have on her since we've got Brienne as the ass-kicking warrior already covered off. I like Yara having a stronger relationship with Theon than Asha ever does. And I like that she's more conflicted about her duties to her father and her love for her brother. In the books, Asha doesn't really give a shit about Theon and it makes their eventual meeting at the end of ADwD fall pretty flat. I also think that after the Kingsmoot, Martin had nothing important for Asha to do so he basically just had her tag along with Stannis to solve his "I need a POV to tell us what Stannis is up to" problem. Yara has been absent for too long on the show but once she re-appears, the Ironborn story will be about her and how she deals with Balon's death and Euron's ascension. I suspect she'll get the Victarion treatment (probably with the Essos trip excluded) as she acts as Euron's lieutenant on his Oldtown mission and has to figure out his motives at the same time. I like that a whole lot more than her being held hostage by a doomed Stannis just because Martin needs a POV there. I also think Gemma Whelan is fantastic and even though they try and butch her up on the show as much as they can, she's super cute.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 7:50:54 GMT
First of all, wrt the name change I would be able to "get over it" if the reasoning behind it wasn't so fucking stupid. If people can't keep two characters with similar names (Asha & Osha) straight that's their problem. I can pay attention to a tv show while watching it, it's not that hard. Even with the huge cast GoT has.
As to Gemma Whelan being attractive, yeah, no.
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Post by King Tommen on Aug 14, 2015 8:04:33 GMT
First of all, wrt the name change I would be able to "get over it" if the reasoning behind it wasn't so fucking stupid. If people can't keep two characters with similar names (Asha & Osha) straight that's their problem. I can pay attention to a tv show while watching it, it's not that hard. Even with the huge cast GoT has. As to Gemma Whelan being attractive, yeah, no. I acknowledge why you objected to it four years ago, but that's the character's name now so I'm not sure why that's some kind of huge issue. People who haven't read the books certainly have no issue with the name. And Gemma is cute, sorry you don't see it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 8:09:40 GMT
Asha was an ax-twirling cartoon character in the books. At least Yara feels more like a real person.
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Post by boojam on Aug 14, 2015 10:55:00 GMT
Asha was an ax-twirling cartoon character in the books. At least Yara feels more like a real person. Asha is one of GRRM's characters that starts out, on the page, as a kind of cartoon character, but by Dance has evolved into a real character, especially after her capture. Since season 2 no one has asked D&D or Bryan why the name change. It could be because of an Asha ... Osha name confusion, tho that seems thin reasoning to me. I have thought it was like the Jeyne Westerling - Talisa Maegyr swap ... Talisa had a different origin and background to the book's Jeyne. (Geroge says Jeyne , who is alive on the page, will appear again in the story.) Figured they wanted the Greyjoys to be even more 'salty dogs' than the prose Greyjoys and Yara sure fits that. Tho I still think Yara was a poor choice for a name.
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Post by boojam on Aug 14, 2015 11:03:41 GMT
As for another unpopular belief about the series...I think that at some point Arya will assassinate another of the main characters. And a sympaethic one, I mean. I dunno who yet...I dunno when...but someone big. It could be , but I don't think that will happen in the books until towards the end of DoS. I am still of a mind that the whole FM thing is a stepping stone to something bigger for Arya, even Tom Wlaschiha said something like this before season 5. His thoughts were that Jaqen was in the Black Cells on purpose and that Jaqen was shadowing Arya to get her to Braavos, or at least put her to the test of finding her way to Braavos alive. To be a 'high born' assassin? Not so sure , as part of some Big Plan which we have only the edges of, I would like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 11:06:39 GMT
Asha was an ax-twirling cartoon character in the books. At least Yara feels more like a real person. Asha is one of GRRM's characters that starts out, on the page, as a kind of cartoon character, but by Dance has evolved into a real character, especially after her capture. Since season 2 no one has asked D&D or Bryan why the name change. It could be because of an Asha ... Osha name confusion, tho that seems thin reasoning to me. I have thought it was like the Jeyne Westerling - Talisa Maegyr swap ... Talisa had a different origin and background to the book's Jeyne. (Geroge says Jeyne , who is alive on the page, will appear again in the story.) Figured they wanted the Greyjoys to be even more 'salty dogs' than the prose Greyjoys and Yara sure fits that. Tho I still think Yara was a poor choice for a name. I'm almost certain that Cogman or someone gave the explanation that Asha sounded too much like Osha. I don't have a link at-hand but that wasn't just fan-speculation, someone confirmed that back in 2012.
As for another unpopular belief about the series...I think that at some point Arya will assassinate another of the main characters. And a sympaethic one, I mean. I dunno who yet...I dunno when...but someone big. It could be , but I don't think that will happen in the books until towards the end of DoS. I am still of a mind that the whole FM thing is a stepping stone to something bigger for Arya, even Tom Wlaschiha said something like this before season 5. His thoughts were that Jaqen was in the Black Cells on purpose and that Jaqen was shadowing Arya to get her to Braavos, or at least put her to the test of finding her way to Braavos alive. To be a 'high born' assassin? Not so sure , as part of some Big Plan which we have only the edges of, I would like that. The Faceless Men are definitely up to something big. Their mission in Oldtown points to something like that. Hopefully s6 elucidates us on that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 11:33:34 GMT
Arya will assasinate: A) Qyburn B) Dany C) Tyrion or D) Mace
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