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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 13:31:46 GMT
Yeah me too. I enjoy our group here for show vs. book debates, news on casting and filming of the show, love for the cast and crew, and love for the books. I have no ill will for Mr. Martin and a lot of this dramatic fan-boi angst over every word on his blog or criticizing his delay in the books is childish - especially to those of us who have been a fan for the nearly 20 years he's been writing them. He took longer than this between AFFC and ADWD and there was no HBO fame then so most of the criticism I've seen here and elsewhere is out of line and incorrect. I think flintstonebearer has been a fan for all those years. But it is still childish and IMO, annoying. This thread was created for discussing Not a Blog. Yeah, you can criticize GRRM writing lots of stuff about puppies, but please don't make this one of those rant and rave places.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 13:39:33 GMT
Yeah me too. I enjoy our group here for show vs. book debates, news on casting and filming of the show, love for the cast and crew, and love for the books. I have no ill will for Mr. Martin and a lot of this dramatic fan-boi angst over every word on his blog or criticizing his delay in the books is childish - especially to those of us who have been a fan for the nearly 20 years he's been writing them. He took longer than this between AFFC and ADWD and there was no HBO fame then so most of the criticism I've seen here and elsewhere is out of line and incorrect. I think flintstonebearer has been a fan for all those years. But it is still childish and IMO, annoying. This thread was created for discussing Not a Blog. Yeah, you can criticize GRRM writing lots of stuff about puppies, but please don't make this one of those rant and rave places. I did not mean to imply anyone else hadn't been a fan equally as long. Apologies for being snappy - I get more annoyed at the general populace who criticizes his blog moreso than anyone specifically here, sorry. I agree this thread needs to stay positive if possible and not bashing George.
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Post by Admin on Aug 28, 2015 14:02:42 GMT
ADMIN - Guys if you don't like what is in a specific thread, don't read it. If you think the content is out of line, report it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 14:05:39 GMT
I can't fathom how someone discussing the contents of the NAB stays positive.
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Post by flintstonebearer on Aug 28, 2015 15:33:15 GMT
I can't fathom how someone discussing the contents of the NAB stays positive. Indeed. This is one of the most peculiar fandoms I´ve ever seen in my life - this very weird clash of questioning vs. abject enabling. Wherever you go within the genre, it´s *Don´t criticize the man* and/or *How dare you say that book x,y,z is better than aSoIaF*. And that has been going on since...what ?...2005 ? No wonder Martin can live out his inner man-child on his blog. Which he does. When or if he completes tWoW/aSoIaF has been besides the point for quite some time now. He will do it (or not) as he pleases and that´s that. But the behavioral pattern is there, on the NAB. You can go full denial on this, cry about entitlement, tell people to go somewhere else, etc. - the pattern is there. With some of the reactions that I am seeing here in this thread, I see the good, old aSoIaF fandom viscious circle all over again. You peepz think you´re going to take out the Dragon ? Or Linda ? Really ? Think again. The fandom enables Martin, Martin enables Linda/Elio, Linda/Elio enable people like Dragon and other spitlickers. The rest either conforms or gets driven out, i.e. into splinter boards. Oh...wait...this is a splinter board, isn´t it ? The show has been the only entity strong enough to crack into this circle, and we see the fights that this has generated. Open your eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:24:59 GMT
ADMIN - Guys if you don't like what is in a specific thread, don't read it. If you think the content is out of line, report it. +1. Or better yet, contribute positively! Personally I'm kind of torn over this whole debate. On one hand it is massively frustrating seeing walls of text re: shit like the Hugo awards on a fairly regular basis, but on the other hand, he actually is not our bitch and he can do wtf he wants with his life and who are we to tell him otherwise? It's a particularly dark side of celebrity worship imo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:39:22 GMT
I'm just going to shut up about it because both sides of this argument have strong opinions and I don't think either side is going to make any point that's worth an internet spat over.
I thought it was a thread for updates on his blog, not criticisms but ok.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:43:18 GMT
I thought it was a thread for updates on his blog, not criticisms but ok. it is, but we're not very strict here so we're not too bothered about off topic posts. But maybe to keep things separate and everybody happy a separate thread for his writing pace can be opened.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:44:42 GMT
I thought it was a thread for updates on his blog, not criticisms but ok. it is, but we're not very strict here so we're not too bothered about off topic posts. But maybe to keep things separate and everybody happy a separate thread for his writing pace can be opened. Honestly, with as few really pertinent pieces of information are ever posted on the NAB, I don't think two is necessary. I'll just hush on my over opinionated fan-girl shit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:46:46 GMT
I thought it was a thread for updates on his blog, not criticisms but ok. it is, but we're not very strict here so we're not too bothered about off topic posts. But maybe to keep things separate and everybody happy a separate thread for his writing pace can be opened. "Thread to rant and rave about George's writing"? Maybe this is too far?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:48:44 GMT
ADMIN - Guys if you don't like what is in a specific thread, don't read it. If you think the content is out of line, report it. ... he actually is not our bitch and he can do wtf he wants with his life and who are we to tell him otherwise? The people who made him millions, that's who. lol Seriously, I think there is a disconnect here. Whining about what he does with his time is not the same as telling him what to do with his life. Martin constantly blogs about how finishing ASOIAF is his top priority but his posts on the NAB show that to be untrue. Pointing that out isn't demanding that Martin ask his fan's permission for potty breaks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 17:05:12 GMT
... he actually is not our bitch and he can do wtf he wants with his life and who are we to tell him otherwise? The people who made him millions, that's who. lol Seriously, I think there is a disconnect here. Whining about what he does with his time is not the same as telling him what to do with his life. Martin constantly blogs about how finishing ASOIAF is his top priority but his posts on the NAB show that to be untrue. Pointing that out isn't demanding that Martin ask his fan's permission for potty breaks. But you didn't buy his books with some kind if guarantee that he would finish them, so again: who are we to tell him what to do with his life? And honestly, I don't think there is a disconnect at all. Whining about what he puts on NAB is just the same as saying you wish he was doing something else. Arguing that that is not the same as fans demanding they be consulted on everything is just arguing semantics because (obviously) no one is suggesting that. Choice of words may be exaggerated but the spirit is the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 17:14:36 GMT
The people who made him millions, that's who. lol Seriously, I think there is a disconnect here. Whining about what he does with his time is not the same as telling him what to do with his life. Martin constantly blogs about how finishing ASOIAF is his top priority but his posts on the NAB show that to be untrue. Pointing that out isn't demanding that Martin ask his fan's permission for potty breaks. But you didn't buy his books with some kind if guarantee that he would finish them, so again: who are we to tell him what to do with his life? And honestly, I don't think there is a disconnect at all. Whining about what he puts on NAB is just the same as saying you wish he was doing something else. Arguing that that is not the same as fans demanding they be consulted on everything is just arguing semantics because (obviously) no one is suggesting that. Choice of words may be exaggerated but the spirit is the same. Agree. As a writer myself, the idea that anyone at all gets to tell him what to do with his life, when his inspiration to finish the story should arrive, or how to enjoy his success is ridiculous. You don't have control over that. You never will. So why waste time worrying about it? The book will come when it comes and not a moment before. I actually wonder if all the negative fan stuff is part of why he has lost interest. He has thousands of people trying to write his book for him, and if he makes a move this way or that, he already knows which factions he'll piss off. I went to graduate school for creative writing, and by the end of it I knew exactly what certain people in my workshops would say about certain sentences _as I was writing them_. It took all the fun right out of it. That said, he was really silly to ever think he could beat HBO to the finish, and well, this uncontrollable negative fan contingency is the dark side of his unprecedented success.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 17:18:25 GMT
I bought his books with the expectation that he would make a good faith effort to work on them. Had I known then what I know now about his ability to focus, I don't buy his books and recommend them to others. I want Martin to pursue whatever it is that makes him happy, unfortunately for fans that doesn't include writing ASOIAF. Saying so is not telling him how to live his life, it's just making an observation.
Embrace the schadenfreude.
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Post by Admin on Aug 28, 2015 17:44:41 GMT
Guys no one needs to be hushed. But people have different opinions here and I don't think it's fair to ask them to not voice them because one doesn't like them. I fucking hate the writers for what was done to Stannis and I won't shut up, some people are annoyed with George etc. If the majority in a thread is sharing an opinion then that thread becomes positive or negative, depending on what your own opinion is. I'm not gonna interfere with any of this because 1. I don't have the time to read all the posts therefore if something is out of line tag me or report the post 2. I'm not that into waiting for when George writes or if he even finishes the book at that point so I don't have much to contribute 3. I have some freakshow leaving me weird comments on my post about my ban on westeros on my website so I have to deal with that and it's eating my online time
So please just, carry on
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 17:44:58 GMT
But you didn't buy his books with some kind if guarantee that he would finish them, so again: who are we to tell him what to do with his life? And honestly, I don't think there is a disconnect at all. Whining about what he puts on NAB is just the same as saying you wish he was doing something else. Arguing that that is not the same as fans demanding they be consulted on everything is just arguing semantics because (obviously) no one is suggesting that. Choice of words may be exaggerated but the spirit is the same. I actually wonder if all the negative fan stuff is part of why he has lost interest. Nope. This is how he is built as a writer. He's said that he doesn't enjoy writing, that he enjoys having written. Additionally, the first time he pimped out ASOIAF to editors he said that once he knows the ending to a story he loses all interest in writing it. The warning signs have been around for decades, just no one paid attention then. So let's talk inspiration and writing. I subscribe to the tried-and-true BiC method: Butt-in-Chair. Sure, you got to walk away sometimes and shove whatever it is you are writing away for a few days, weeks, months, whatever, but you have to get back to it in a substantive way at some point. Martin cannot write away from home. Big deal, I get that. But he doesn't take notes for ASOIAF in a journal when he is away. He leaves the writing portion of ASOIAF 100% behind. So, when the Muse strikes, she fucking damned well better hope that Martin is at home, in his writing chair with his wittle fuzzy writing slippers on with the precise number of petite writing marshmallows in the writing mug that holds his hot chocolate (writer's blend). So long as Martin isn't balls deep in another WildCard editing session, maybe then he'll write some ASOIAF. In short, you gotta be available when inspiration knocks. Martin treats the ASOIAF books as a hobby. Plain and simple.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 17:51:56 GMT
I actually wonder if all the negative fan stuff is part of why he has lost interest. Nope. This is how he is built as a writer. He's said that he doesn't enjoy writing, that he enjoys having written. Additionally, the first time he pimped out ASOIAF to editors he said that once he knows the ending to a story he loses all interest in writing it. The warning signs have been around for decades, just no one paid attention then. So let's talk inspiration and writing. I subscribe to the tried-and-true BiC method: Butt-in-Chair. Sure, you got to walk away sometimes and shove whatever it is you are writing away for a few days, weeks, months, whatever, but you have to get back to it in a substantive way at some point. Martin cannot write away from home. Big deal, I get that. But he doesn't take notes for ASOIAF in a journal when he is away. He leaves the writing portion of ASOIAF 100% behind. So, when the Muse strikes, she fucking damned well better hope that Martin is at home, in his writing chair with his wittle fuzzy writing slippers on with the precise number of petite writing marshmallows in the writing mug that holds his hot chocolate (writer's blend). So long as Martin isn't balls deep in another WildCard editing session, maybe then he'll write some ASOIAF. In short, you gotta be available when inspiration knocks. Martin treats the ASOIAF books as a hobby. Plain and simple. You're absolutely right that there is no substitute. However, I find my butt in the chair writing things other than what I sat down to write, so I guess I empathize. I'd be a lot more pissed off, I'm sure, if there wasn't an HBO version of the story that I know will get completed. I've just come around to accepting that this is how my story will get finished. GRRM's version is a maybe. Edit: I was going to edit out my slip: "my story will get finished" instead of "the story" but I think it's a funny and telling slip.
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Post by Admin on Aug 28, 2015 17:53:24 GMT
I just think you know that some of the blame has to go to HBO and George's agent or whoever advises him - it was too early to start adapting the books. Adapting something that is a long way from being over and the author is taking his sweet time to finish the story is just a recipe for a lot of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 18:06:37 GMT
I just think you know that some of the blame has to go to HBO and George's agent or whoever advises him - it was too early to start adapting the books. Adapting something that is a long way from being over and the author is taking his sweet time to finish the story is just a recipe for a lot of shit. Idk about this, though. The deal was put in place something like 8 years ago and back then George probably thought he was almost finished with ADWD. He had more than enough time from that point to get the books done, but he just dawdled with ADWD for a further 4 years and then took a year off before touching TWOW.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 18:09:18 GMT
It's George's fault. HBO or his advisor didn't have a gun to his head. He jumped at the $ signs.
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