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Post by Admin on Jul 4, 2015 23:06:06 GMT
Stannis is the rightful king, which makes her a Kingslayer for the man who danced with her. Awesome. Catelyn recognized it was Bri's duty to kill Stan back in ep. 205. And Stan did too in the end. Yes, I'm sure Catelyn would be overjoyed at Brienne taking out her petty grudge and letting Sansa be harmed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 23:11:48 GMT
Catelyn recognized it was Bri's duty to kill Stan back in ep. 205. And Stan did too in the end. Yes, I'm sure Catelyn would be overjoyed at Brienne taking out her petty grudge and letting Sansa be harmed. It wasn't a petty grudge though; it was a vow that Catelyn knew Bri took very seriously. It was the one thing that could exempt her from her service to Cat, which Cat accepted. And Bri didn't let Sansa be harmed. In all likelihood word of Sansa's treatment did not leave the castle. That is if many people in the castle even knew about it. Reek and Ramsay were the only two allowed in that room after all and Roose would be sure to make sure people kept quiet about it, if there was some gossip on the matter floating about.
But I guess this is more the stuff for an ep. 510 thread or something because, really, LSH wouldn't care about Stan being killed.
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Post by freeparking on Jul 4, 2015 23:13:43 GMT
Brienne didn't know what was happening inside the castle. I am not sure how many times I need to type that. You don't need to type this anymore, in fact please stop because I find your thinking here for the lack of a better word repulsive. I am getting the feeling that you think I am blaming Sansa for the abuse she is suffering. I am not. She agreed to marry a Bolton in a plan that LF cooked up. Basically she agreed to place herself into a potentially dangerous situation, but she did not agree to what ultimately happened to her. Brienne is not at fault for what happened to Sansa and neither is Sansa. The people who are responsible for her abuse primarily are Ramsay, LF, and Roose. Reek fucked Sansa over when he betrayed her as well, and there was also Myranda. If Sansa had lit the candle sooner, Brienne would have tried to make a move. Of course Sansa didn't realize how bad things were going to get before it was too late. Then she had to rely on Reek who was mostly useless. Brienne and Sansa suffered from a lack of info. Brienne didn't know what was going on inside and if Sansa would be ready to go if she came in there to bust her out. Sansa didn't know how dire her situation was until her opportunities for any form of escape for cut off.
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Post by Admin on Jul 4, 2015 23:15:58 GMT
Yes, I'm sure Catelyn would be overjoyed at Brienne taking out her petty grudge and letting Sansa be harmed. It wasn't a petty grudge though; it was a vow that Catelyn knew Bri took very seriously. It was the one thing that could exempt her from her service to Cat, which Cat accepted. And Bri didn't let Sansa be harmed. In all likelihood word of Sansa's treatment did not leave the castle. That is if many people in the castle even knew about it. Reek and Ramsay were the only two allowed in that room after all and Roose would be sure to make sure people kept quiet about it, if there was some gossip on the matter floating about.
But I guess this is more the stuff for an ep. 510 thread or something because, really, LSH wouldn't care about Stan being killed.
You don't need to type this anymore, in fact please stop because I find your thinking here for the lack of a better word repulsive. I am getting the feeling that you think I am blaming Sansa for the abuse she is suffering. I am not. She agreed to marry a Bolton in a plan that LF cooked up. Basically she agreed to place herself into a potentially dangerous situation, but she did not agree to what ultimately happened to her. Brienne is not at fault for what happened to Sansa and neither is Sansa. The people who are responsible for her abuse primarily are Ramsay, LF, and Roose. Reek fucked Sansa over when he betrayed her as well, and there was also Myranda. If Sansa had lit the candle sooner, Brienne would have tried to make a move. Of course Sansa didn't realize how bad things were going to get before it was too late. Then she had to rely on Reek who was mostly useless. Brienne and Sansa suffered from a lack of info. Brienne didn't know what was going on inside and if Sansa would be ready to go if she came in there to bust her out. Sansa didn't know how dire her situation was until her opportunities for any form of escape for cut off. I find it beyond the realm of logic, even in this show, that Brienne for a second would feel it's a good thing leaving Sansa with Boltons. She stood there, while Sansa was getting raped. It's repulsive. How can you defend this?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 23:17:35 GMT
I am getting the feeling that you think I am blaming Sansa for the abuse she is suffering. I am not. She agreed to marry a Bolton in a plan that LF cooked up. Basically she agreed to place herself into a potentially dangerous situation, but she did not agree to what ultimately happened to her. Brienne is not at fault for what happened to Sansa and neither is Sansa. The people who are responsible for her abuse primarily are Ramsay, LF, and Roose. Reek fucked Sansa over when he betrayed her as well, and there was also Myranda. If Sansa had lit the candle sooner, Brienne would have tried to make a move. Of course Sansa didn't realize how bad things were going to get before it was too late. Then she had to rely on Reek who was mostly useless. Brienne and Sansa suffered from a lack of info. Brienne didn't know what was going on inside and if Sansa would be ready to go if she came in there to bust her out. Sansa didn't know how dire her situation was until her opportunities for any form of escape for cut off.
It's also worth noting that Sansa did not know who exactly her "friends in the North" were or how exactly they'd help her. Ironically she may have even thought that Stan's arrival was because of her candle signal, given the timing of how it all played out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 23:19:48 GMT
I am getting the feeling that you think I am blaming Sansa for the abuse she is suffering. I am not. She agreed to marry a Bolton in a plan that LF cooked up. Basically she agreed to place herself into a potentially dangerous situation, but she did not agree to what ultimately happened to her. Brienne is not at fault for what happened to Sansa and neither is Sansa. The people who are responsible for her abuse primarily are Ramsay, LF, and Roose. Reek fucked Sansa over when he betrayed her as well, and there was also Myranda. If Sansa had lit the candle sooner, Brienne would have tried to make a move. Of course Sansa didn't realize how bad things were going to get before it was too late. Then she had to rely on Reek who was mostly useless. Brienne and Sansa suffered from a lack of info. Brienne didn't know what was going on inside and if Sansa would be ready to go if she came in there to bust her out. Sansa didn't know how dire her situation was until her opportunities for any form of escape for cut off. I find it beyond the realm of logic, even in this show, that Brienne for a second would feel it's a good thing leaving Sansa with Boltons. She stood there, while Sansa was getting raped. It's repulsive. How can you defend this?! freeparking addressed that point. The text I bolded. Brienne didn't know what was happening to Sansa, just that she had to be saved. That's what he's been saying.
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Post by Admin on Jul 4, 2015 23:25:07 GMT
I find it beyond the realm of logic, even in this show, that Brienne for a second would feel it's a good thing leaving Sansa with Boltons. She stood there, while Sansa was getting raped. It's repulsive. How can you defend this?! FreeParking addressed that point. By that do you mean it's plausible no one in the North knew what Boltons are capable of? I think your love of the show is clouding your judgement, but that is not an excuse. It makes me sick reading you defend this bitch for going with her petty crusade when a KID is getting sexually violated. So let's just get with the hype for LS, because honestly this whole line of conversation makes me nauseous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 23:44:38 GMT
FreeParking addressed that point. By that do you mean it's plausible no one in the North knew what Boltons are capable of? I think your love of the show is clouding your judgement, but that is not an excuse. It makes me sick reading you defend this bitch for going with her petty crusade when a KID is getting sexually violated. Is that a paraphrase of what Saruman said to Gandalf in the Fellowship of the Ring about his "love of the halfling's leaf" and its potential damage on his mental faculties btw? If so, well-played.
I don't see how it's at all sickening though to suggest that Brienne isn't privy to everything that the viewer is. She wouldn't be aware of everything going on in WF. The whole point of the candle was to signify if and when Sansa was in danger and, because she was locked away and Reek didn't help her sooner, Brienne couldn't be made aware of that. Because her service was refused previously by Sansa, she wanted to know for sure she would be needed this time because Bri had no way of knowing exactly why Sansa had returned to WF in the first place. That was the point of their scene together in ep. 502 and how it set up the rest of that Brienne mini-arc.
But yes, you're right. Best to stay on-topic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:11:59 GMT
STONEHEART IS COMING! FUCKING CONFIRMED! Behold all this beautiful Stoneheart foreshadowing: Stoneheart being her fabulous sassy self:
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Post by Basil on Jul 6, 2015 21:39:26 GMT
2:52 - "They'll hang you for this!" - Sweet irony ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:53:04 GMT
Catelyn's body in the river: Sansa talking about her dead mother. She is dead, by the way. DEAD! She'd rather have her mother, but she's dead! Another LSH plotline in the making: Let's not forget the scenes in which Brienne talks about her oath to Catelyn, which is really every Brienne scene there is.
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Post by Basil on Jul 6, 2015 22:16:28 GMT
Seriously, if they're not doing Stoneheart, D&D are fucking idiots and/or trolls. I don't know what to think anymore, they have set everything up brilliantly, the only thing missing at this point, is the Lady herself. And without Stoneheart, what's the point of "Oathkeeper" and Jaime's and Brienne's obligation towards Cat? Why even bother introducing the Brotherhood and Thoros and Beric? It's like, what's keeping them from having Stoneheart on the show? Nothing. It's a fairly popular character among the book readers, it's an amazing, shocking, heart wrenching twist, probably one of the best twists in the entire series. Michelle Fairley is brilliant and would do great things with the character. And a little bit of retribution for the Red Wedding needs to happen at some point, right? I really don't get it ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:37:46 GMT
This is a late response, but;
Brienne didn't know that Ramsay was abusing Sansa, so the whole "it's ok to let woman be raped because no candle" is ridiculous.
Even if Brienne didn't think Stannis was the rightful king (which he was) she's still a kingslayer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:38:00 GMT
Seriously, if they're not doing Stoneheart, D&D are fucking idiots and/or trolls. I don't know what to think anymore, they have set everything up brilliantly, the only thing missing at this point, is the Lady herself. And without Stoneheart, what's the point of "Oathkeeper" and Jaime's and Brienne's obligation towards Cat? Why even bother introducing the Brotherhood and Thoros and Beric? It's like, what's keeping them from having Stoneheart on the show? Nothing. It's a fairly popular character among the book readers, it's an amazing, shocking, heart wrenching twist, probably one of the best twists in the entire series. Michelle Fairley is brilliant and would do great things with the character. And a little bit of retribution for the Red Wedding needs to happen at some point, right? I really don't get it ... Delaying her makes some sense if they wanted Jon's death to make a bigger impact. That and the fact that LSH hasn't had much story in the novels yet. Also bringing back the element of resurrection later rather than sooner in the series might be beneficial to maintain the show's reputation that yes, really everyone can die. Furthermore, bringing back LSH (and Jon) in S6 would fit with the show's recent development to include more and more fantasy elements with each season. In any case, Season 6 will be the make-or-break season not only for us LSH fans, but also for the show's continuity. There are so many elements from seasons 1-3 that need to make a come back or otherwise the show will feel very disjointed upon rewatch. The funny thing is that almost all of these things have something to do with LSH: the Riverlands, BwB, the Freys, Brienne/Jaime, the Tullies... But there are also Bran and the Greyjoys, of course. Please D&D, don't fuck this up!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:48:21 GMT
...AND RICKON!!! Omg, I forgot Rickon. Edit: and Gendry, too!
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jul 7, 2015 2:41:22 GMT
... So, sorry to be this guy, but is there any actual reason to be rooting for her, besides our desperate and hopeless desire for her to happen? I mean, it is pretty early in the year, there hasn't been many news. But does something point to her? Or are we just recycling same old theories and thoughts from the last two years of sadness and disappointment?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 7:33:53 GMT
... So, sorry to be this guy, but is there any actual reason to be rooting for her, besides our desperate and hopeless desire for her to happen? I mean, it is pretty early in the year, there hasn't been many news. But does something point to her? Or are we just recycling same old theories and thoughts from the last two years of sadness and disappointment? The casting call for S6 is looking for a band of outlaws that are driven by religion. One of them is also described to be "numb to the horror he serves".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 8:51:20 GMT
... So, sorry to be this guy, but is there any actual reason to be rooting for her, besides our desperate and hopeless desire for her to happen? I mean, it is pretty early in the year, there hasn't been many news. But does something point to her? Or are we just recycling same old theories and thoughts from the last two years of sadness and disappointment? The casting call for S6 is looking for a band of outlaws that are driven by religion. One of them is also described to be "numb to the horror he serves". I don't think the one called "Bower" on the casting call was specified to have been with the BWB-sounding group actually. He could be but I think it's as likely he's involved with Euron or the Boltons given his description. We'll see.
But yeah, it does look like we're going to be getting the tail-end of Brienne and Jaime's AFFC material and then their TWOW material, so I'm pretty sure the Riverlands and the BWB will come into play again. How it happens exactly, who knows, since of course there are many ways through the material, particularly since they know where it's all leading to and what comes of it in the end. We know though that David Bradley said last year that, although he wouldn't be in s5, he'd been assured that he'd be back at some point. We also have Arya's blindness, which was mainly used by GrrM as a device to make her warging voluntary rather than involuntary, which could give us yet another window into the Riverlands through Nymeria. So, while exactly how much of that storyline we're getting and who we get reintroduced to specifically in the season is up in the air, I think it's safe to say we're getting some version of it.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jul 7, 2015 10:48:59 GMT
... So, sorry to be this guy, but is there any actual reason to be rooting for her, besides our desperate and hopeless desire for her to happen? I mean, it is pretty early in the year, there hasn't been many news. But does something point to her? Or are we just recycling same old theories and thoughts from the last two years of sadness and disappointment? The casting call for S6 is looking for a band of outlaws that are driven by religion. One of them is also described to be "numb to the horror he serves". That's enough for me! GET HYPE
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 11:34:18 GMT
We LSH fans are as resilient as cockroaches. We will never let this go. I bet in 20 years from now, D&D will still be asked as to why they made the decision to cut Stoneheart.
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