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Post by janicia on Jun 17, 2015 19:49:34 GMT
Sansa and Theon bump into Littlefinger’s army. Littlefinger defeats the Boltons and takes over Winterfell. The Boltons have a funeral for Sansa using Myranda’s body and a big cloak. Better for them that she be officially dead than at large. Roose reams Ramsay out for losing his wife. Ramsay tells Roose to shut up since Ramsay just won a big military victory. (It must have been deliberate that they showed Ramsay running around on the field but not Roose. I think leading the troops to victory will embolden Ramsay.) After losing track of Sansa again, Brienne and Pod either end up in the Riverlands or at the Wall. If Stannis is alive, hopefully he makes it back to the Wall and takes the black. Brienne could be magnificent at the Wall with her Valyrian sword. Jon and Melissandre go dormant for a while. Tormund either slaughters the night’s watchmen at Castle Black (sans Edd?) and takes over that castle or settles in a different castle along the Wall. Or maybe Tormund moves his people into Moat Cailin. Davos goes with Tormund because Tormund has moppets. Or maybe Davos tries to leave with Stannis’ ships and gets captured by Euron. I don’t think the northern lords will ever be much of a presence in the show. If Rickon pops up in season 6, I bet it will be with Tormund. Just a hunch here, but I do not think Littlefinger is ever going to rally an army. That was all bullshit. What is Littlefinger? A man who has risen to the top of the noble dung pile by lying his way there and outsmarting everyone else. He lied to the Vale about where he was taking Sansa and his intentions. He then lied to the Boltons about his intentions to raise the Vale (after telling the Vale something else) and then left Sansa as a present for the Boltons to keep them pacified while he went to King's Landing where he then lied to Cersei with an entirely different story about Sansa and the Boltons. You see where this is leading? He has zero intentions of actually going to war - he's not a war commander. He has every intention in getting the kingdoms to tear each other apart first. Chaos is a Ladder.
As for the rest, I do think Tormund has some part to play in things at the wall with the wildlings and left that out of my summary since I was answering Nezzer's 21 questions and honestly I have no clue what the wildlings are going to do other than settle the Gift as promised by Jon and then fight the Walkers when they come (and probably be slaughtered since they have no valyrian steel or dragonglass). Davos is such a wild-card - your ideas are as good as mine. He could go anywhere at this point but I hope they keep him in the story. So much fun to speculate on these things. I agree with you that nothing Littlefinger says can be trusted. In mid season 5, I assumed that Littlefinger was going to try to take the Twins with the Vale army. It is a valuable castle filled with his enemies and it isn't stuck in the norther winter. The idea of LF marching all the way up to Winterfell seemed bizarre to me at the time. Surely he doesn't want to get stuck up there all winter. And if the White Walkers are going to overwhelm the north as I've been assuming, we don't need some army to go destroy the Boltons. They're toast anyway. But I do think Littlefinger will do something with the Vale army. He is a risk taker that wants to be king. And I think both show and books have been making a bit of a point of that unscathed Vale army being important. Varys even had an ominous line about "what happens when Littlefinger gets his army?" I hope that Tormund manages to get his people away from the Wall. I agree that they're in serious trouble if they stay there. But only the north is messed up enough that a few thousand wildlings can move in unmolested. I'm not sure where they could go to be safe. Davos might have ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 20:28:37 GMT
So much fun to speculate on these things. I agree with you that nothing Littlefinger says can be trusted. In mid season 5, I assumed that Littlefinger was going to try to take the Twins with the Vale army. It is a valuable castle filled with his enemies and it isn't stuck in the norther winter. The idea of LF marching all the way up to Winterfell seemed bizarre to me at the time. Surely he doesn't want to get stuck up there all winter. And if the White Walkers are going to overwhelm the north as I've been assuming, we don't need some army to go destroy the Boltons. They're toast anyway. But I do think Littlefinger will do something with the Vale army. He is a risk taker that wants to be king. And I think both show and books have been making a bit of a point of that unscathed Vale army being important. Varys even had an ominous line about "what happens when Littlefinger gets his army?" I hope that Tormund manages to get his people away from the Wall. I agree that they're in serious trouble if they stay there. But only the north is messed up enough that a few thousand wildlings can move in unmolested. I'm not sure where they could go to be safe. Davos might have ideas. That's the key bit there I highlighted, I think your common sense is spot on. It would make zero tactical sense for the Vale to march on Winterfell now, especially once word gets out what happened to Stannis. The Vale has remained secluded for ... well the entire story. They don't come out of their precious valley and mountain much even with paranoid Lysa dead - their attitude still seems to be turtle up and wait it out. They didn't (and probably still don't) trust Littlefinger at all. They will only move of their own accord, not because he comes back and tries to rile them up with word of Sansa at Winterfell. The Boltons are going to have to keep the fact she's now escaped a secret for as long as they can while Ramsay goes (more) insane trying to get her back. Winter is descending fast on Winterfell and everywhere around it now. I think the Boltons are going to turtle up as well. Everything's hanging in the balance of what happens at the wall at this point, seems to me.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 17, 2015 21:20:47 GMT
I think that with Royce confirmed to return, Sansa will go there to tell him that LF's a liar and that he tricked everyone.
EDIT: Or, more simply, he could just be the commander of LF's army
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 22:03:46 GMT
I think that with Royce confirmed to return, Sansa will go there to tell him that LF's a liar and that he tricked everyone. EDIT: Or, more simply, he could just be the commander of LF's army But in the same, I think Royce will be key to turning the Vale against LF again if she wants to do so. After all, Royce only ever trusted LF because of her say-so, so if she said something different now, Royce would be loyal to her, not LF.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 18, 2015 4:46:46 GMT
I think Jon will march on the Boltons and take Winterfell with Melisandre's support. We know Mel's visions are always true; the problem is that she often misinterprets them. However, she saw herself walk on the battlements of Winterfell and there isn't much left to interpretation there, so I believe she will indeed pay a visit to Winterfell. With whom, though? If Sansa rallied the Northmen to her cause without Jon, I can't think of a reason why Melisandre would have anything to do with it. So it seems to me that unJon will feel released from his vows and, supported by Davos and Mel, will help Sansa unite the North against the Boltons, maybe to seat Rickon in Winterfell instead of Sansa or himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 5:21:39 GMT
I think Jon will march on the Boltons and take Winterfell with Melisandre's support. We know Mel's visions are always true; the problem is that she often misinterprets them. However, she saw herself walk on the battlements of Winterfell and there isn't much left to interpretation there, so I believe she will indeed pay a visit to Winterfell. With whom, though? If Sansa rallied the Northmen to her cause without Jon, I can't think of a reason why Melisandre would have anything to do with it. So it seems to me that unJon will feel released from his vows and, supported by Davos and Mel, will help Sansa unite the North against the Boltons, maybe to seat Rickon in Winterfell instead of Sansa or himself. I don't think Mel's vision of herself at WF and her vision of Bolton banners burning are necessarily connected. I agree that she'll probably go there when Jon does (either very late in s6, I think, or more likely early on in s7) but I think the Boltons will be long since dead by then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 8:07:04 GMT
Sansa and Jon will eventually join forces. Shame to see that Jon wasn't named Robb's heir on the show..
Give me three Northern lords with lines and I'm happy. Wyman Manderly, Greatjon/some other Umber and Hugo "Big Bucket" Wull. The fans would love these 3!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:08:53 GMT
Sansa and Jon will eventually join forces. Shame to see that Jon wasn't named Robb's heir on the show.. Give me three Northern lords with lines and I'm happy. Wyman Manderly, Greatjon/some other Umber and Hugo "Big Bucket" Wull. The fans would love these 3! Yeah, Manderly's scheming and Wull's "Bolton blood" speech.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:10:14 GMT
Sansa and Jon will eventually join forces. Shame to see that Jon wasn't named Robb's heir on the show.. Give me three Northern lords with lines and I'm happy. Wyman Manderly, Greatjon/some other Umber and Hugo "Big Bucket" Wull. The fans would love these 3! Yeah, Manderly's scheming and Wull's "Bolton blood" speech. Precisely so.. Wait, 2 would be enough! Wyman Manderly and the Greatjon. Surely the Greatjon could deliver that speech? EDIT: He's Stephen Fry as the lake master from the Hobbit movies, perfect fit for Wyman Manderly?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:11:40 GMT
Yeah, Manderly's scheming and Wull's "Bolton blood" speech. Precisely so.. Wait, 2 would be enough! Wyman Manderly and the Greatjon. Surely the Greatjon could deliver that speech? True. And most fans remember him. Guy who laughs after his fingers are bitten off is not easy to forget.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:12:48 GMT
If the Greatjon is back or another tough Umber is cast in his stead, I think it'd be cool if he and Yohn Royce were friends (like Yohn was with Ned). Just so there'd be some trust between the anti-Bolton Northerners and the Vale crew. And so Sansa would have something to work with against LF.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:17:56 GMT
Precisely so.. Wait, 2 would be enough! Wyman Manderly and the Greatjon. Surely the Greatjon could deliver that speech? True. And most fans remember him. Guy who laughs after his fingers are bitten off is not easy to forget. Everyone would remember Greatjon the minute he appeared on the screen. If they can't get the same actor who played him in season 1, I think they should cast another Umber, Mors or Hother. If the Greatjon is back or another tough Umber is cast in his stead, I think it'd be cool if he and Yohn Royce were friends (like Yohn was with Ned). Just so there'd be some trust between the anti-Bolton Northerners and the Vale crew. And so Sansa would have something to work with against LF. Just like him and Rodrik at 1:24? Would be great to see them meeting like that. The audience would love the Vale and the North unifying first against the Boltons and then LF.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:22:06 GMT
^Of course any moments of happiness in the North would be short-lived with the WWs making their shall-we-say glacial move southward...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:25:38 GMT
^Of course any moments of happiness in the North would be short-lived with the WWs making their shall-we-say glacial move southward... When do you think they will arrive? I think first we must get them attacking the Wall and then it coming down in either 6x09 or as the last scene of the season. Imagine the ice breaking down and the enormous structure collapsing and then thousands of wights and White Walkers coming through it. Then the absolute last scene before the end credits: the Night's King screaming. But I feel it would be weird if the whole Wall is coming down. Maybe only parts of it? Or the whole thing?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:27:44 GMT
^Of course any moments of happiness in the North would be short-lived with the WWs making their shall-we-say glacial move southward... When do you think they will arrive? I think first we must get them attacking the Wall and then it coming down in either 6x09 or as the last scene of the season. Imagine the ice breaking down and the enormous structure collapsing and then thousands of wights and White Walkers coming through it. Then the absolute last scene before the end credits: the Night's King screaming. But I feel it would be weird if the whole Wall is coming down. Maybe only parts of it? Or the whole thing? I dunno. The Wall coming down is really only a widely-accepted theory at this point. There could be some way of circumventing it or going beneath it that we haven't yet considered. So, I dunno really how they're gonna get past it, just that they will. Those sly dogs. I guess we'll find out in s6.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:29:35 GMT
^Of course any moments of happiness in the North would be short-lived with the WWs making their shall-we-say glacial move southward... When do you think they will arrive? I think first we must get them attacking the Wall and then it coming down in either 6x09 or as the last scene of the season. Imagine the ice breaking down and the enormous structure collapsing and then thousands of wights and White Walkers coming through it. Then the absolute last scene before the end credits: the Night's King screaming. But I feel it would be weird if the whole Wall is coming down. Maybe only parts of it? Or the whole thing? There's supposed to be magical wards inside/under the wall to keep unnatural creatures out isn't there? That's why Coldhands couldn't come through. But they've left out Coldhands and no mention of the magic in the show that I can remember. If it's just the White Walkers and their massive army of undead, they could just tear it down in one spot fairly quickly. My guess is they will get to the wall and stop for awhile so that other parts can develop and bring together defenses south of the wall.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:32:33 GMT
And maybe the NW will go all backward and start making sacrifices to them again to keep them away (a la with the original NK)?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:37:26 GMT
And maybe the NW will go all backward and start making sacrifices to them again to keep them away (a la with the original NK)? Kinda looks like they just made their first sacrifice there with Jon Snow. Did I just say that out loud?!
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2015 10:53:29 GMT
How many Walkers do you guys think Brienne can take down? I think the Walkers are fucked.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 11:15:36 GMT
How many Walkers do you guys think Brienne can take down? I think the Walkers are fucked. Lol. Realistically, none. D&D logic, hundreds. Stannis should've killed at least three.
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