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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 23:17:40 GMT
Just to clarify: I don't mean in Winds, but just in general. Which of the remaining original POVs do you think won't survive the series? This is also multichoice so if you feel that the unlikely will happen and all 6 will die, then you can vote for all 6!
Going with Daenerys. I expect her to die with Drogon in a blaze of glory against the Others.
Jon dying would be a desirable outcome, because I don't want him to be king of anything and that's the most likely way to avoid that outcome, but I can't really see it happening.
I could see Tyrion becoming a gargoyle, but I don't have the stones to predict it.
Bran won't die.
And I know not everyone here agrees, but I feel like Sansa and Arya are a kind of package deal, so if one goes, I expect the other will go not too long afterwards which is why I struggle to predict either of their deaths because I think it's pretty unlikely they both die. But who knows, maybe Lady's death made it possible for only one of them to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 6:03:32 GMT
The only original POV I'm confident will survive are Bran and Sansa.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 15:36:31 GMT
The only original POV I'm confident will survive are Bran and Sansa. I'm 100% certain Bran isn't dying, but not so with Sansa. I hope she doesn't, though. No character I've REALLY connected with has died yet (the closest was Catelyn, and she came back. Kind of), so if Sansa goes I think I may actually have to mourn for real  |
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Post by Enid on Jun 4, 2015 16:52:48 GMT
I think Daenerys may not make until the end.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 18:26:58 GMT
I think Daenerys may not make until the end. I think she'll absolutely make it to the end, but may die in the last few chapters. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 4, 2015 18:51:29 GMT
Daenerys and Jon are goners, I'd say. Maybe Arya, though I'm not too sure about that.
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 4, 2015 19:31:10 GMT
Original POV's mean first book right?
In that case, my votes are Jon, Arya and Dany die before the end or right at the end. I think GRRM closes out with Bran since he opens after the epilogue with Bran.
Not original POV's that will die before the end I think: Brienne, Jaime, Cersei and possibly Davos (though I hope not).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 19:32:43 GMT
Daenerys and Jon are goners, I'd say. Maybe Arya, though I'm not too sure about that. Agreed. I think they will figure prominently in saving the world but won't get to rule it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 19:33:25 GMT
Daenerys and Jon are goners, I'd say. Maybe Arya, though I'm not too sure about that. Agreed. I think they will figure prominently in saving the world but won't get to rule it. Which reminds me, the only reason I would ship Jon and Dany is for her to have a baby named Aemon that someone (Tyrion and Sansa?) raises. |
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Post by morgantayler on Jun 5, 2015 1:04:06 GMT
If any other Starks die, I'll be super pissed. I honestly think all of them could make it to the end but I would have to say Dany has the best chance of chance of dying, even though that makes me sad  Jon would be the next most likely. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 1:14:16 GMT
If any other Starks die, I'll be super pissed. I honestly think all of them could make it to the end but I would have to say Dany has the best chance of chance of dying, even though that makes me sad Jon would be the next most likely. I think Arya's arc has tragic end written all over it. There's the line from the first book about finding her still clutching Needle after the snow melts or some such. |
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 5, 2015 2:03:30 GMT
I think out of these, Daenerys is the most likely to die. Followed by Arya. (Though I really hope Arya doesn't die)
I feel 100% certain that Sansa, Bran, and Tyrion will make it to the end.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 2:50:40 GMT
If any other Starks die, I'll be super pissed. I honestly think all of them could make it to the end but I would have to say Dany has the best chance of chance of dying, even though that makes me sad Jon would be the next most likely. I think Arya's arc has tragic end written all over it. There's the line from the first book about finding her still clutching Needle after the snow melts or some such. Where in the first book? Do you remember the general location or situation? Somebody's dream, I'm thinking - ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 3:21:42 GMT
I think Arya's arc has tragic end written all over it. There's the line from the first book about finding her still clutching Needle after the snow melts or some such. Where in the first book? Do you remember the general location or situation? Somebody's dream, I'm thinking - ? It's in Arya's 1st chapter in AGoT. "Jon watched them leave, and Arya watched Jon. His face had grown as still as the pool at the heart of the godswood. Finally he climbed down off the window. "The show is done," he said. He bent to scratch Ghost behind the ears. The white wolf rose and rubbed against him. "You had best run back to your room, little sister. Septa Mordane will surely be lurking. The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You'll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers."" |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 5:31:12 GMT
Where in the first book? Do you remember the general location or situation? Somebody's dream, I'm thinking - ? It's in Arya's 1st chapter in AGoT. "Jon watched them leave, and Arya watched Jon. His face had grown as still as the pool at the heart of the godswood. Finally he climbed down off the window. "The show is done," he said. He bent to scratch Ghost behind the ears. The white wolf rose and rubbed against him. "You had best run back to your room, little sister. Septa Mordane will surely be lurking. The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You'll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.""Thank you! I've got to go back and reread. So much symbolism and foreshadowing in the early books that don't really stand out fully until the later books. Bran's dream in the first book, too, is beautiful, and one of my favorite passages. A focus on posting here and elsewhere, and following the TV series so closely, makes it easy to forget how powerful Martin's writing is. Thanks again! |
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Post by Enid on Jun 9, 2015 6:54:07 GMT
I stopped considering that particular quote foreshadowing after the letter with the original plot leaked. He probably wrote that chapter with the original story still in mind, and in that one Arya survives. Wishful thinking perhaps, but it lets me sleep at night
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 9:17:17 GMT
Original POV's are the ones from AGoT? So Davos, Jaime, Theon, Sam, Cersei and Brienne don't count?
I think Bran survives the whole series, with ADoS's last chapter being written from his point of view. Also Jon and Tyrion I could see dying but I think they could survive. Arya or Sansa propably die, my bet is on Arya.
Dany is 100% goner, dying either in late Winds fighting Urine Euron or fAegon in the second Dance of Dragons or in early ADoS. I honestly can't see her fighying the Others. I think both Rhaegal and Drogon die in the second DoD with Viserion being Jon's dragon and dying fighting the WW.
Brienne dies in early TWoW ehen she and Jaime meet LSH. Jaime kills Cersei later on in the same book and he propably dies himself in ADoS. Theon dies too because that is the best option for him, buy not before Asha denounces the Kingsmoot as illegal because Theon was not there. Sam and Davos could also survive the series.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 9:28:20 GMT
Original POV's are the ones from AGoT? So Davos, Jaime, Theon, Sam, Cersei and Brienne don't count? I think Bran survives the whole series, with ADoS's last chapter being written from his point of view. Also Jon and Tyrion I could see dying but I think they could survive. Arya or Sansa propably die, my bet is on Arya. Dany is 100% goner, dying either in late Winds fighting Urine Euron or fAegon in the second Dance of Dragons or in early ADoS. I honestly can't see her fighying the Others. I think both Rhaegal and Drogon die in the second DoD with Viserion being Jon's dragon and dying fighting the WW. Brienne dies in early TWoW ehen she and Jaime meet LSH. Jaime kills Cersei later on in the same book and he propably dies himself in ADoS. Theon dies too because that is the best option for him, buy not before Asha denounces the Kingsmoot as illegal because Theon was not there. Sam and Davos could also survive the series. Daenerys is an endgame character, the Others are the endgame. She will absolutely play a role in the war for Dawn. The show is likely skipping the 2nd dance, and hasn't even cast Euron or Aegon. Those storylines are filler. You don't have a character with all the magic/prophecy surrounding her like Dany does die in a meaningless fight for a chair. If she dies I'd guess it will be fighting the Others, towards the end of ADoS. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 11:37:35 GMT
Dany is 100% goner, dying either in late Winds fighting Urine Euron or fAegon in the second Dance of Dragons or in early ADoS. I honestly can't see her fighying the Others. I think both Rhaegal and Drogon die in the second DoD with Viserion being Jon's dragon and dying fighting the WW. As per GRRMs original outline, Dany is in it for the long haul and I genuinely don't understand why there would be any doubt there. She is not going to die fighting an irrelevant Iron Born or a late-game antagonist like fAegon. She will die in the North, beyond the Wall, fighting the Others. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 11:45:06 GMT
Dany is 100% goner, dying either in late Winds fighting Urine Euron or fAegon in the second Dance of Dragons or in early ADoS. I honestly can't see her fighying the Others. I think both Rhaegal and Drogon die in the second DoD with Viserion being Jon's dragon and dying fighting the WW. As per GRRMs original outline, Dany is in it for the long haul and I genuinely don't understand why there would be any doubt there. She is not going to die fighting an irrelevant Iron Born or a late-game antagonist like fAegon. She will die in the North, beyond the Wall, fighting the Others. Original outline is not a reliable source. Dany could fight the Others. And even if she will, it won't be beyond the Wall, unless she dies in TWoW. |
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Jon would be the next most likely.
