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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 18:22:04 GMT
I have to agree with this at least from the perspective of why someone should win an Emmy. Emilia gets to "ride" (har har) on the coattails of some excellent actors and one of them's a dragon! Her pairings with Iain Glen, Jason Momoa, Ian McElhinney, Michiel Huisman and Peter Dinklage all gave her a lot more acting support than she would have had on her own without them. Seems she's betting on the great scene, special effects and other actors to support her nomination. She *has* improved acting wise over the years and it's a "supporting" nomination so I'm cool with it but I think Drogon deserves lead actor nom. dragon2 I like Emilia, I really do, but I have to strongly disagree with this. Her best season acting-wise was season 1 by far. I actually thought she was mediocre at best in 5x09. Just look at her face when she's riding Drogon. Zero emotions. Nevertheless, she was great in a lot of scenes throughout the series, but S1 was definitely the best. Now if you want an actor who has been gradually improving since the first episode, then look no further: Kit Harington is your guy. But wait! You can't strongly disagree with nominating Drogon too! I mean, ok... so he wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Mom, no matter if she's a great actor or not but you gotta admit, the dude stands on his own with an amazing ability to convey emotion without saying a single word. And those action sequences ... man, that dude is badass!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 18:26:42 GMT
I like Emilia, I really do, but I have to strongly disagree with this. Her best season acting-wise was season 1 by far. I actually thought she was mediocre at best in 5x09. Just look at her face when she's riding Drogon. Zero emotions. Nevertheless, she was great in a lot of scenes throughout the series, but S1 was definitely the best. Now if you want an actor who has been gradually improving since the first episode, then look no further: Kit Harington is your guy. But wait! You can't strongly disagree with nominating Drogon too! I mean, ok... so he wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Mom, no matter if she's a great actor or not but you gotta admit, the dude stands on his own with an amazing ability to convey emotion without saying a single word. And those action sequences ... man, that dude is badass! No, you're right. Drogon is the best dragon actor out there. He needs to be nominated ASAP! But the academy is always so prejudiced, consisting only of old white men. No wonder Drogon didn't get a nod. He's the best and he has the most beautiful smile, too. Look:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 18:31:05 GMT
But wait! You can't strongly disagree with nominating Drogon too! I mean, ok... so he wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Mom, no matter if she's a great actor or not but you gotta admit, the dude stands on his own with an amazing ability to convey emotion without saying a single word. And those action sequences ... man, that dude is badass! No, you're right. Drogon is the best dragon actor out there. He needs to be nominated ASAP! But the academy is always so prejudiced, consisting only of old white men. No wonder Drogon didn't get a nod. He's the best and he has the most beautiful smile, too. Look: HAHA! He really is a photogenic hunk isn't he?! Y'all should be posting more of him in the cast appreciation threads. Well except for the nudity part. Drogon's always nude! Since dragons reproduce by parthenogenesis, we don't actually know his gender identity either ... so hey hey Drogon you free for dating?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 21:47:25 GMT
Best supporting actor category should have been: Stephen Dillane - Game of Thrones Stephen Dillane - Game of Thrones Stephen Dillane - Game of Thrones Stephen Dillane - Game of Thrones Stephen Dillane - Game of Thrones As if they would acknowledge Stephen Dillane...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 21:55:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 21:55:58 GMT
Best supporting actor category should have been: Stephen Dillane - Game of Thrones Stephen Dillane - Game of Thrones Stephen Dillane - Game of Thrones Stephen Dillane - Game of Thrones Stephen Dillane - Game of Thrones As if they would acknowledge Stephen Dillane... Well, he was nominated for John Adams.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 22:22:23 GMT
As if they would acknowledge Stephen Dillane... Well, he was nominated for John Adams. Didn't he also win an International Emmy last year?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 22:28:58 GMT
Didn't he also win an International Emmy last year? Yeah for The Tunnel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 0:39:16 GMT
As if they would acknowledge Stephen Dillane... Well, he was nominated for John Adams. I meant for Thrones... Hes actually won a lot of awards for other things
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 3:01:28 GMT
Well, he was nominated for John Adams. I meant for Thrones... Hes actually won a lot of awards for other things Ah. I thought by "they" you mean what I call "the Emmy people" or as @fireandblood would prefer that I say, "the Television Academy".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 4:34:38 GMT
I think Kit and Sophie deserve some recognition for their work this year.
Kit was good!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 6:48:03 GMT
I don't think any of them were in season 5. I would have been happy to see them all get a nomination over the years, but we're talking about this year. One problem is the ensemble nature of the show. Cat's year should have been season 3, but she got like, two memorable scenes that year: Red Wedding and her monologue about Jon Snow. I think one episode all she did was stand up dramatically and look at Robb. Compare that to Jesse Pinkman in Breaking Bad who has a wealth of great material to work with every year. In GoT most actors are lucky to get great scenes in half of the episodes, or have a 'drop-the-mic' moment like Tyrion's trial. They not only need to nail the performance, but need to be given great, dramatic material to work with. It's an uphill battle for them compared to actors in shows with much smaller casts, and therefore more screen time to work with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 12:44:57 GMT
Why should they acknowledge Dillane, when they haven't even acknowledged these guys who were far more deserving of a nod (IMO)? I don't think any of them were in season 5. I would have been happy to see them all get a nomination over the years, but we're talking about this year. One problem is the ensemble nature of the show. Cat's year should have been season 3, but she got like, two memorable scenes that year: Red Wedding and her monologue about Jon Snow. I think one episode all she did was stand up dramatically and look at Robb. Compare that to Jesse Pinkman in Breaking Bad who has a wealth of great material to work with every year. In GoT most actors are lucky to get great scenes in half of the episodes, or have a 'drop-the-mic' moment like Tyrion's trial. They not only need to nail the performance, but need to be given great, dramatic material to work with. It's an uphill battle for them compared to actors in shows with much smaller casts, and therefore more screen time to work with. Maybe I should have made my point clearer. What I was trying to say was that in my opinion, all these actors were better in their respective seasons than Dillane was in S5. Why should they nominate Dillane for S5, when they didn't even nominate these other actors for earlier seasons? Don't get me wrong, he was a fantastic Stannis, especially in season 5, but to me he never reached the same highs as these other actors. He was not even the best actor in S5, IMO. Concerning your other points: I think you are right in principle, but I don't think the Emmys work that way. The first thing is that the actors are not nominated for seasons, but for individual episodes. So it shouldn't have mattered how much screentime Michelle had in season 3, because she was submitted for her work in 3x09. It's the same for Pedro in 4x07. Sean Bean, on the other hand, was the closest thing GoT ever had to an actor in a leading role. At the same time, they nominate Emilia for S3 and she only had one memorable scene in the whole season. So I don't think it has much to do with how big the storyline is or how much screentime the actors have to work with. If this show ever had a "drop the mic"-moment acting-wise, it was Fairley's work for "The Rains of Castamere". She should not only have been nominated in that year, she also should have won.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:15:06 GMT
I don't think any of them were in season 5. I would have been happy to see them all get a nomination over the years, but we're talking about this year. One problem is the ensemble nature of the show. Cat's year should have been season 3, but she got like, two memorable scenes that year: Red Wedding and her monologue about Jon Snow. I think one episode all she did was stand up dramatically and look at Robb. Compare that to Jesse Pinkman in Breaking Bad who has a wealth of great material to work with every year. In GoT most actors are lucky to get great scenes in half of the episodes, or have a 'drop-the-mic' moment like Tyrion's trial. They not only need to nail the performance, but need to be given great, dramatic material to work with. It's an uphill battle for them compared to actors in shows with much smaller casts, and therefore more screen time to work with. Maybe I should have made my point clearer. What I was trying to say was that in my opinion, all these actors were better in their respective seasons than Dillane was in S5. Why should they nominate Dillane for S5, when they didn't even nominate these other actors for earlier seasons? Don't get me wrong, he was a fantastic Stannis, especially in season 5, but to me he never reached the same highs as these other actors. He was not even the best actor in S5, IMO. Concerning your other points: I think you are right in principle, but I don't think the Emmys work that way. The first thing is that the actors are not nominated for seasons, but for individual episodes. So it shouldn't have mattered how much screentime Michelle had in season 3, because she was submitted for her work in 3x09. It's the same for Pedro in 4x07. Sean Bean, on the other hand, was the closest thing GoT ever had to an actor in a leading role. At the same time, they nominate Emilia for S3 and she only had one memorable scene in the whole season. So I don't think it has much to do with how big the storyline is or how much screentime the actors have to work with. If this show ever had a "drop the mic"-moment acting-wise, it was Fairley's work for "The Rains of Castamere". She should not only have been nominated in that year, she also should have won. I don't think this is correct and is actually a mistake I have made myself pretty consistently for years. And I only just realised I was wrong last week! Actors are submitted for consideration for the whole season during the nomination period and only submit their single episode after the nominations have been unveiled. So none of the GoT cast who were actually submitted actually submitted an episode except Peter/Emilia/Lena and they only did so last week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:35:08 GMT
I don't think any of them were in season 5. I would have been happy to see them all get a nomination over the years, but we're talking about this year. One problem is the ensemble nature of the show. Cat's year should have been season 3, but she got like, two memorable scenes that year: Red Wedding and her monologue about Jon Snow. I think one episode all she did was stand up dramatically and look at Robb. Compare that to Jesse Pinkman in Breaking Bad who has a wealth of great material to work with every year. In GoT most actors are lucky to get great scenes in half of the episodes, or have a 'drop-the-mic' moment like Tyrion's trial. They not only need to nail the performance, but need to be given great, dramatic material to work with. It's an uphill battle for them compared to actors in shows with much smaller casts, and therefore more screen time to work with. Maybe I should have made my point clearer. What I was trying to say was that in my opinion, all these actors were better in their respective seasons than Dillane was in S5. Why should they nominate Dillane for S5, when they didn't even nominate these other actors for earlier seasons? Don't get me wrong, he was a fantastic Stannis, especially in season 5, but to me he never reached the same highs as these other actors. He was not even the best actor in S5, IMO. I disagree wholeheartedly. I think Stannis is a harder character to play than many realize, he is very internalized and understated, yet Stephen Dillane manages to make him feel like a 3-dimensional character full of nuance in every scene he's in. I mean we've got a character who had his own brother killed yet inspired legions of fans fist pumping and calling him The Mannis for years. Even after burning his own daughter many of us are struggling for ways to forgive him and hope that he comes back. It's because Stephen brings so much subtle humanity to a character that should be dismissed as cold an inhuman on the surface. It's the subtlety that is difficult and shows how wonderful Dillane's performance has been over the years. Dinklage can snarl and spit and yell at the audience in his trial but I am far more impressed by how much emotion Stannis can convey in one smirk or grimace. Season 5 gave him some of his best material, he goes from beaming confidence, witty asides, to despair and misery in his arc this year. I would put the non-verbal acting in his expression in this scene up against anything Michele, Sean, or Peter did in the series:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:55:13 GMT
Maybe I should have made my point clearer. What I was trying to say was that in my opinion, all these actors were better in their respective seasons than Dillane was in S5. Why should they nominate Dillane for S5, when they didn't even nominate these other actors for earlier seasons? Don't get me wrong, he was a fantastic Stannis, especially in season 5, but to me he never reached the same highs as these other actors. He was not even the best actor in S5, IMO. I disagree wholeheartedly. I think Stannis is a harder character to play than many realize, he is very internalized and understated, yet Stephen Dillane manages to make him feel like a 3-dimensional character full of nuance in every scene he's in. I mean we've got a character who had his own brother killed yet inspired legions of fans fist pumping and calling him The Mannis for years. Even after burning his own daughter many of us are struggling for ways to forgive him and hope that he comes back. It's because Stephen brings so much subtle humanity to a character that should be dismissed as cold an inhuman on the surface. It's the subtlety that is difficult and shows how wonderful Dillane's performance has been over the years. Dinklage can snarl and spit and yell at the audience in his trial but I am far more impressed by how much emotion Stannis can convey in one smirk or grimace. Season 5 gave him some of his best material, he goes from beaming confidence, witty asides, to despair and misery in his arc this year. I would put the non-verbal acting in his expression in this scene up against anything Michele, Sean, or Peter did in the series: We have to agree to disagree on this one. But I think the love show!Stannis received was actually more because of the love people already had for book!Stannis. Dillane was great, but I don't think he had such a huge influence on show only fans, to be honest. Fans of show!Stannis were mostly fans of book!Stannis as well. The Unsullied I know don't care about him. What I observed was actually quite the opposite. Unsullieds tend to think his scenes were boring (I disagree with that opinion btw) and that he deserved what he ultimately got. The outcry after 5x09 and 5x10 came mostly from people who've read the books and whose favourite character is Stannis OR from Unsullieds who really cared about Shireen and were angry at Stannis/the writers. By the way, I thought Dillane's acting was satisfying in that scene, but ultimately didn't convince me as much as it convinced you, but I confess that was more of a writing problem. When it comes to non-verbal acting, I always like to refer to Lena's performance as Cersei. Now that to me was a master class in acting. But i n the end, there is never an objective truth with these things. You are a Stannis fan, I'm not. Different perspectives lead to different opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:55:55 GMT
Maybe I should have made my point clearer. What I was trying to say was that in my opinion, all these actors were better in their respective seasons than Dillane was in S5. Why should they nominate Dillane for S5, when they didn't even nominate these other actors for earlier seasons? Don't get me wrong, he was a fantastic Stannis, especially in season 5, but to me he never reached the same highs as these other actors. He was not even the best actor in S5, IMO. Concerning your other points: I think you are right in principle, but I don't think the Emmys work that way. The first thing is that the actors are not nominated for seasons, but for individual episodes. So it shouldn't have mattered how much screentime Michelle had in season 3, because she was submitted for her work in 3x09. It's the same for Pedro in 4x07. Sean Bean, on the other hand, was the closest thing GoT ever had to an actor in a leading role. At the same time, they nominate Emilia for S3 and she only had one memorable scene in the whole season. So I don't think it has much to do with how big the storyline is or how much screentime the actors have to work with. If this show ever had a "drop the mic"-moment acting-wise, it was Fairley's work for "The Rains of Castamere". She should not only have been nominated in that year, she also should have won. I don't think this is correct and is actually a mistake I have made myself pretty consistently for years. And I only just realised I was wrong last week! Actors are submitted for consideration for the whole season during the nomination period and only submit their single episode after the nominations have been unveiled. So none of the GoT cast who were actually submitted actually submitted an episode except Peter/Emilia/Lena and they only did so last week. I didn't know that, but you are right. I just looked it up. Good to know!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:58:37 GMT
And now that I know that, the mess that was Emilia's nod and Michelle's snub for season 3 makes a whole lot more sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 14:05:42 GMT
And now that I know that, the mess that was Emilia's nod and Michelle's snub for season 3 makes a whole lot more sense. It still doesn't make much sense to me, because Dracarys was the only excellent scene Emilia had in S3. Michelle had fewer scenes, but the ones she had were all much, much better than Emilia's (crowdsurfing!) I would always reward quality before quantity, but that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 16:56:06 GMT
Emilia's nomination made no sense. She wasn't even in the top 5 of this season's performers..
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