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Post by boojam on May 28, 2015 9:33:17 GMT
Show wise and book wise there seems to me to be logic gap in this Faith Militant take over at KL.
When the High Sparrow told Olenna that “We are the many you are the few.” The Queen of Thrones should have said “The Many are now fucked!” Tywin would have.
Besides who is the many? There can only be so many Faith Militant enforcers. The proletariat could riot, but would they? If they did why couldn’t the Gold Cloaks and the Lannister army (a contingent which must be nearby) put down the rebellion. I mean all the Faith Militant enforcers could be killed. The High Sparrow arrested.
So now why doesn’t Lady Olenna just go to Tommen and say command the King’s Guard to release her granddaughter? “Have them and the Gold Cloaks kill anyone trying to stop them.” Tommen now has no one else to advise him.
Why in the books didn’t Kevan do this? I don’t know, seems like a logic flaw. Kevan was king regent and Mace was hand of the king.
I wonder , if on the show, Kevan will come back now?
Always remember , in medieval terms , the golden rule.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 11:07:01 GMT
Tywin wouldn't have let the sparrows in King's Landing the first place, they wouldn't even had the faith militant.
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Post by Admin on May 28, 2015 11:15:19 GMT
Tywin would have never send Jaime to Dorne He would have never befriend High Sparrow He would have never give them arms Basically, he would do the opposite of what Cersei has done
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Post by lordcarson on May 28, 2015 14:23:05 GMT
This entire scenario would never have happened if Tywin was alive. So, he wouldn't have done anything other than teach Tommen.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 15:17:18 GMT
If Tywin would still be alive, we wouldn't be asking these questions.
We would be asking what is a High Sparrow.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 4:05:23 GMT
Right - it's hard to speculate on something that never would have happened if he were still alive. Tywin would never ever have armed the Faith Militant - any sane individual with a dirty House would know that's a really bad idea!
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Post by boojam on May 29, 2015 14:55:46 GMT
Right - it's hard to speculate on something that never would have happened if he were still alive. Tywin would never ever have armed the Faith Militant - any sane individual with a dirty House would know that's a really bad idea! Except the Queen of Thrones was a crusty and snappy so she should have done the same as Tywin.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 17:13:59 GMT
Right - it's hard to speculate on something that never would have happened if he were still alive. Tywin would never ever have armed the Faith Militant - any sane individual with a dirty House would know that's a really bad idea! Except the Queen of Thrones was a crusty and snappy so she should have done the same as Tywin. Lady Olenna does not hold the same position of power that Tywin had - he was Hand of the King and could make political decisions for the entire kingdom. Fair bit different from the Grandmother of the newly crowned Queen who has thus far been in Highgarden except to attend the wedding. She has no power there and couldn't have prevented Cersei from arming the Faith Militant. The Lannisters have held all the power since Robert's death so I don't understand your point at all.
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Post by janicia on May 29, 2015 18:30:12 GMT
I think even Tywin would have had problems with the smallfolk eventually. Their anger was mounting, and he could be pretty tone deaf. Tywin ravaged the Riverlands, sacked Kings Landing, had the baby prince and princess and queen murdered, and empowered men like the Mountain to rape and pillage. Anger over those atrocities probably would have come home to roost eventually. Tywin also allowed a lot of rottenness in his administration. The High Septon was rotten, the Grand Maester was rotten, nobody liked Varys or Littlefinger, the boy king was a bastard, and so on. One legacy of Tywin's rule was that the smallfolk loathed the Lannisters.
Olenna and Tywin both signed off on Joffrey and Margaery's ostentatious wedding at a time of austerity and suffering. In the books, Tywin wanted to send Tommen back to Casterly Rock and rule in his stead, which seemed unlikely to go over well.
If Tywin had lived long enough, there would have been a smallfolk rebellion against him. Tywin's instinct would have been to crush it mercilessly. And that could well have backfired into a full on peasant revolt. The smallfolk hated him and had very little to lose, especially with winter coming.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 0:38:42 GMT
Except the Queen of Thrones was a crusty and snappy so she should have done the same as Tywin. Lady Olenna does not hold the same position of power that Tywin had - he was Hand of the King and could make political decisions for the entire kingdom. Fair bit different from the Grandmother of the newly crowned Queen who has thus far been in Highgarden except to attend the wedding. She has no power there and couldn't have prevented Cersei from arming the Faith Militant. The Lannisters have held all the power since Robert's death so I don't understand your point at all. Agreed. Olenna herself was in a precarious situation with HS, for all of their "my knees"/"your hips" little camaraderie at the onset. The HS had walked a good distance away from Olenna at one point, dismissively, but he came walking back towards her following one of her retorts . . . not quite threatening, but it was definitely there in an undertone. I think there was only so far she could try to push him without running the risk of sparking definitely unpleasant consequences for both Loras and Margery. And like several others have said, with Tywin the situation would never have arisen. Even when Joffrey, at his boldest, sidled up to Tywin and insinuated he was a coward - (mercy, wouldn't find me doing that to his face!) - even then Tywin prevailed and more or less "had Joffrey put to bed without his supper".
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Post by boojam on May 30, 2015 1:01:11 GMT
Had I been writing that part of the episode I would of had Olenna repeat , as the last line of the episode, "I will make sure the hungry know who is to blame."
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