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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 0:30:18 GMT
Yeah, I liked this post a lot. And of course there were immediatly people who responded with stuff like: "Catelyn sucks and Stoneheart suckz even moar!!111" Seriously, I'll never be able to understand why people would put this much energy into hating certain characters and plot lines. I mean, sure, I also have characters I dislike but I don't see any reason why I should repeat again and again how much I hate them in dozens of different threads. There are people over there, who constantly respond to every new Catelyn or Stoneheart related thread, the same way every time: "I don't like Catelyn. I'm glad she's dead. Stoneheart sucks, George made a mistake by bringing her back." It's rather frustrating to read stuff like that over and over again. The omission of Stoneheart still hurts a lot and I fear I won't be able to get over this one. I'll keep watching the show of course, but I don't think I'll be able to enjoy it like I used to. And this video makes it even worse. Michelle Fairley is one hell of an actress. We should have some kind of Virtual Memorial Service for Lady Stoneheart. Alas.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Apr 30, 2015 6:27:42 GMT
Funeral? On the Eve of 5.05? Nuts.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Apr 30, 2015 15:25:51 GMT
Hello
I'm just here so say HYPE! THE HYPE MAY NEVER DIE
Good day, mates.
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 30, 2015 15:38:18 GMT
I thought this thread was bumped because there was a hint of her return lol damn it.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Apr 30, 2015 15:40:02 GMT
I thought this thread was bumped because there was a hint of her return lol damn it. Sorry :/
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 30, 2015 15:55:48 GMT
I thought this thread was bumped because there was a hint of her return lol damn it. Sorry :/ lol it's okay. I'm still holding out hope for her anyways. A little bit of hope, but it's there.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Apr 30, 2015 22:19:22 GMT
lol it's okay. I'm still holding out hope for her anyways. A little bit of hope, but it's there. I'm the same. Thoros being mentioned on episode 3 made it better too!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 10:19:46 GMT
If there is a camp of people out there who find resurrection not a very interesting fantasy but do find dragons a very entertaining fantasy I am in it. I agree completely. I wasn't very fond of Catelyn's resurrection. I think that resurrecting major characters is a cheap trick. In some cases, it can also be very cliche. I will be slightly upset if Jon is resurrected. Asoiaf and the show are known to be brutal in killing a lot of main characters. The daring and genius plot attracts most viewers and readers. Resurrecting main characters weakens the effect of death in both series.. a lot. Where can you find screen time to fit her in? We're running out of time. Yes, she gives the story a horror element and mixes the Jaime & Brienne situation a bit, and yes Catelyn's story line is heartbreaking and thrilling but we are still yet to see if she actually is important. At this very moment, the Greyjoys are more important than LSH and it looks like they're cut. But I do agree that the show has failed to bring the fantasy elements to life. They do seem to love the political intrigue.
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Post by Basil on May 1, 2015 12:12:51 GMT
If there is a camp of people out there who find resurrection not a very interesting fantasy but do find dragons a very entertaining fantasy I am in it. I agree completely. I wasn't very fond of Catelyn's resurrection. I think that resurrecting major characters is a cheap trick. In some cases, it can also be very cliche. I will be slightly upset if Jon is resurrected. Asoiaf and the show are known to be brutal in killing a lot of main characters. The daring and genius plot attracts most viewers and readers. Resurrecting main characters weakens the effect of death in both series.. a lot. Where can you find screen time to fit her in? We're running out of time. Yes, she gives the story a horror element and mixes the Jaime & Brienne situation a bit, and yes Catelyn's story line is heartbreaking and thrilling but we are still yet to see if she actually is important. At this very moment, the Greyjoys are more important than LSH and it looks like they're cut. But I do agree that the show has failed to bring the fantasy elements to life. They do seem to love the political intrigue. I feel like I'll have to argue against this argument until the day I die. Resurrections can lessen the impact of character deaths, this much is true in most cases, but definitely not in this one. There is nothing positive or happy about Catelyn's new life, Lady Stoneheart is pure horror and despair, her existence is 'wrong' in every imaginable way, she is a extention of the Red Wedding's horrors. Bringing Catelyn back to life was a stroke of genius on George's part, in my opinion, it is one of the most haunting and heart wrenching storylines in this entire series and a huge missed opportunity for incredible drama on the showrunner's part. I don't think that 'there was no screen time left for Lady Stoneheart' is a valid argument, considering that they're already wasting so much time on silly things like Missandei and Grey Worm romance or on another superfluous sex or brothel scene in every other episode. Brienne and Pod are there in the show and they're doing stuff, it's not like they have gotten rid of that storyline completely. It's just that instead of sticking to the books, for some reason they've decided against Stoneheart and now Brienne and Pod are bound to do something entirely made up by David and Dan.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 12:42:02 GMT
I agree completely. I wasn't very fond of Catelyn's resurrection. I think that resurrecting major characters is a cheap trick. In some cases, it can also be very cliche. I will be slightly upset if Jon is resurrected. Asoiaf and the show are known to be brutal in killing a lot of main characters. The daring and genius plot attracts most viewers and readers. Resurrecting main characters weakens the effect of death in both series.. a lot. Where can you find screen time to fit her in? We're running out of time. Yes, she gives the story a horror element and mixes the Jaime & Brienne situation a bit, and yes Catelyn's story line is heartbreaking and thrilling but we are still yet to see if she actually is important. At this very moment, the Greyjoys are more important than LSH and it looks like they're cut. But I do agree that the show has failed to bring the fantasy elements to life. They do seem to love the political intrigue. I feel like I'll have to argue against this argument until the day I die. Resurrections can lessen the impact of character deaths, this much is true in most cases, but definitely not in this one. There is nothing positive or happy about Catelyn's new life, Lady Stoneheart is pure horror and despair, her existence is 'wrong' in every imaginable way, she is a extention of the Red Wedding's horrors. Bringing Catelyn back to life was a stroke of genius on George's part, in my opinion, it is one of the most haunting and heart wrenching storylines in this entire series and a huge missed opportunity for incredible drama on the showrunner's part. I don't think that 'there was no screen time left for Lady Stoneheart' is a valid argument, considering that they're already wasting so much time on silly things like Missandei and Grey Worm romance or on another superfluous sex or brothel scene in every other episode. Brienne and Pod are there in the show and they're doing stuff, it's not like they have gotten rid of that storyline completely. It's just that instead of sticking to the books, for some reason they've decided against Stoneheart and now Brienne and Pod are bound to do something entirely made up by David and Dan. Yes yes, she's a horrible undead human now. She's 'wrong' etc. She was still resurrected and that's why I don't like it. Catelyn's arc would have been horrible as it is if she died at the Red Wedding. This "sequel" feels quite unnecessary and dragged. We will see how big of a role LSH has in the future, but I'm afraid she just stirs the Riverlands up a bit and then gets killed. Her death will probably be something cliche. Bringing LSH on to the screen would be a huge challenge and by the looks of it, D&D were too afraid to do it. What I meant with the "no screen time left for LSH" was that we don't really have time for new story lines. Jaime's Riverlands story is cut, so we can get Dorne, no Iron islands, no fAegon and the story lines of Brienne, Pod, Stannis, Sansa, LF, Boltons, Davos will be joining this season. We're running out of time to introduce new story lines and that's a terrible shame.
D&D now how the whole thing will end, so I'm afraid we have to trust their judgement..
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Post by mattpeto on May 1, 2015 14:21:41 GMT
D&D have an incredibly hard task to adapt these books. Unfortunately, I think they just get too much crap from the book purists sometimes. The nice thing that we recently discovered is the screenwriters draft an outline and consult GRRM for feedback. "It's not like Martin doesn't have a say in the show changes either. Though he opted not to write episodes of Season 5 or 6 to better focus on writing his sixth and penultimate "A Song of Ice and Fire" novel, "The Winds of Winter," he does hear what Benioff, Weiss and Cogman are planning for each season.
"He's not in the writers' room when we break the outline. He reads the outline every year and gives his notes and thoughts," Cogman says."SourceMartin is involved, and that's the great part IMO. If he hated something, I'm sure D&D would listen to him. I really believe Martin will write a couple of episodes the last season (season 7, 7.5 or 8) so it gives him a chance to finish HIS own series.
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Post by Basil on May 1, 2015 15:34:39 GMT
D&D have an incredibly hard task to adapt these books. Unfortunately, I think they just get too much crap from the book purists sometimes. There is nothing wrong with wishing for at least a somewhat faithful adaptation of the books. David and Dan have done some amazing work on this show. Hell, as much as I criticize them sometimes, I'd still call Game of Thrones one of my favorite TV shows of all time. And yet, there have also been some rather questionable changes to the source material, so it is completely understandable that many book readers are pissed about this latest season, or about certain parts of it. This doesn't mean that the show is bad or that the showrunners and incompetent, it just means that, as fans of the books, people could easily be disappointed with the direction the show has taken. Thus, they criticize - and I think they have every right to. I do, because although the show still entertains me immensely, this is not the story I wanted it to tell, nor are these (for the most part) the characters from the books I fell in love with. For example: one of my favorite arcs is Jaime's 'A Feast for Crows'-storyline in the Riverlands, which the show has basically thrown out the window completely, in favor of this strange Dorne thing, which does not interest me in the slightest. I'm not happy about this and I won't pretend that I am. I mean, I'll watch the show and I'm sure Bronn and Jaime will be witty and there will be some cool action scenes, I'm probably going to enjoy myself just fine, but at the end of the day, I'll always lament the loss of his (in my opinion) far superior story arc in the Riverlands. And of course, Lady Stoneheart is 'the big one' for me. Since Catelyn is my favorite character, this one hurts a lot.
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Post by mattpeto on May 1, 2015 17:50:11 GMT
You do have every right to criticize. I just think these guys (D&D) get it right more than they get it wrong.
Maybe you would like to see Jamie in the Riverlands, but does that make great TV? I don't know if it does. Not everything adapts nicely. Brienne's stuff in AFFC is filler stuff and wouldn't translate well to the screen. Tyrion ADWD isn't much better. This show is accelerating their purpose (Brienne-getting to the Stark daughters and Tyrion getting to Daenerys, Jamie-TBD).
But these changes (besides unknown Jamie's fate) makes sense to me so far...
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2015 20:44:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 20:49:04 GMT
How recent is that? What I take from that is that D&D haven't confirmed to her that she has been cut. I see no reason why they wouldn't at this stage? I mean, I have lost all hope and don't expect her to appear. But D&D not just saying to Michelle "yeah sorry it's not happening" is odd. Especially when Lena & Gwendoline keep pestering them about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 20:54:46 GMT
^That was from a WOTW comment without a link. They said it was from the Belfast Gazette which is a real paper of course, so maybe it could've come from a print version, but still I have my doubts about its veracity.
I guess someone could ask Sue the Fury if the IP address for the poster in question is one of those same commenters whose been coming up with fake LSH info for so many months. If they were so inclined that is. Myself, if I had to guess I'd say it was more of the same mischief we've been putting up with for so long now.
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2015 20:59:08 GMT
^That was from a WOTW comment without a link. They said it was from the Belfast Gazette which is a real paper of course, so maybe it could've come from a print version, but still I have my doubts about its veracity. I guess someone could ask Sue the Fury if the IP address for the poster in question is one of those same commenters whose been coming up with fake LSH info for so many months. If they were so inclined that is. Myself, if I had to guess I'd say it was more of the same mischief we've been putting up with for so long now. Just asked Sue, I'll write if she responds!
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Post by valyrianshadow on May 5, 2015 21:18:46 GMT
^That was from a WOTW comment without a link. They said it was from the Belfast Gazette which is a real paper of course, so maybe it could've come from a print version, but still I have my doubts about its veracity. I guess someone could ask Sue the Fury if the IP address for the poster in question is one of those same commenters whose been coming up with fake LSH info for so many months. If they were so inclined that is. Myself, if I had to guess I'd say it was more of the same mischief we've been putting up with for so long now. Just asked Sue, I'll write if she responds! The hope! It hurts! Let us down gently when its false. We're fragile.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 0:55:30 GMT
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Post by day dreamer on May 6, 2015 2:36:11 GMT
womp womp.
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