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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 17:35:09 GMT
It's really hard to care too much about any of the politics of Meereen when we all know that Dany is just going to say "fuck it" and leave for Westeros anyways without any of these characters being mentioned again. I don't care for Dany at all but reading her chapters was mostly this: "Should I give a fuck about this Cleon or shazzakaz mo kazzagazz
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 17:37:04 GMT
Shavepate is behind it. He is Roose of Meereen. I was going to say that he is LF of Meereen, but then I remembered that show LF is dumb. To be honest, I don't know or don't care who is the Harpy. Personally I believe it is all three; Hizdahr, Shavepate and Green Grace in cahoots, but I don't care. Exactly. Both of you are seeing it. Who really cares who the leader of the Harpies is? It's obviously one of the disgruntled Masters or Noble houses - we know that - we don't need a long dragged out political mess to shrug it off and want them all dead. Most of us wouldn't have given one fig if Dany had let the dragons eat them all but she did that to threaten the others and let them know whoever it is better go back and stop the Harpy attacks or dragons are going to get much fat. It doesn't work though, we know that already ... it's one of the few plots we still have left from the book before the Meereen story goes completely off the charts for what we know anyways. Dany's marriage to Hizzy is pointless - it doesn't work or help but it's a plot device to get her where she was at the end of ADWD with the flight on Drogon. Serious shit has to go down for her to just flip everyone the bird and take off! During that scene (Dany and masters in the catacombs) I just thought how dumb she is for doing it.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 17:43:53 GMT
Exactly. Both of you are seeing it. Who really cares who the leader of the Harpies is? It's obviously one of the disgruntled Masters or Noble houses - we know that - we don't need a long dragged out political mess to shrug it off and want them all dead. Most of us wouldn't have given one fig if Dany had let the dragons eat them all but she did that to threaten the others and let them know whoever it is better go back and stop the Harpy attacks or dragons are going to get much fat. It doesn't work though, we know that already ... it's one of the few plots we still have left from the book before the Meereen story goes completely off the charts for what we know anyways. Dany's marriage to Hizzy is pointless - it doesn't work or help but it's a plot device to get her where she was at the end of ADWD with the flight on Drogon. Serious shit has to go down for her to just flip everyone the bird and take off! During that scene (Dany and masters in the catacombs) I just thought how dumb she is for doing it. Ok, sure. But wasn't that the point? Dany made some dumb decisions in the book and she's making similar ones on the show. That's where it has to go in order for the big climax to happen. Daenerys hasn't truly come into her full queen powers yet... she's learning and testing things and making mistakes. It's a process that took place over a long period of time in the books and was necessary. Long ago I stopped being impatient for her to "Grow up" about as much as I had to stop being impatient with the dragons growing up too... it couldn't have happened any faster, it wouldn't have worked with the rest of the events occurring over in Westeros. Mr. Martin knows what he's doing no matter how much it made me grind my teeth through the Meereen parts.
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Post by King Tommen on May 11, 2015 17:50:31 GMT
Although the decision to marry Hizdahr was a bit of a whiplash move, I don't have a problem with the way Dany reacted to Barristan's death.
As Mossador said, the Meereenese nobles will only respond to blood. You aren't going to appease them, you have to rule them through fear. Was it rash to gather them up and burn one of them alive? Sure. But it accomplished the goal of showing Dany as dangerous and ruthless. If at that point, she had simply rolled over and opened the pits and married Hizdahr, she would have looked extremely weak in the masters' eyes. Her reign would basically be over before it had begun because they knew they could get what they wanted from her via intimidation. So yeah, show them you're a little unstable and that you'll kill them without a trial if she feels you've done her wrong. But then show that you're in it for the long haul by trying to understand some of their wishes and traditions. By marrying into a noble house and making a popular fighting pit decision for the masses, it's probably the best way for her to consolidate power.
Her mistake (most likely) is that she probably played into the Harpy's hand by choosing the husband that she did.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 17:54:22 GMT
Although the decision to marry Hizdahr was a bit of a whiplash move, I don't have a problem with the way Dany reacted to Barristan's death. As Mossador said, the Meereenese nobles will only respond to blood. You aren't going to appease them, you have to rule them through fear. Was it rash to gather them up and burn one of them alive? Sure. But it accomplished the goal of showing Dany as dangerous and ruthless. If at that point, she had simply rolled over and opened the pits and married Hizdahr, she would have looked extremely weak in the masters' eyes. Her reign would basically be over before it had begun because they knew they could get what they wanted from her via intimidation. So yeah, show them you're a little unstable and that you'll kill them without a trial if she feels you've done her wrong. But then show that you're in it for the long haul by trying to understand some of their wishes and traditions. By marrying into a noble house and making a popular fighting pit decision for the masses, it's probably the best way for her to consolidate power. Her mistake (most likely) is that she probably played into the Harpy's hand by choosing the husband that she did. Well said. If Hizdahr is the Harpy or at least the henchman of the Harpy, then Dany's choice to marry him is of course exactly what they are hoping for. It remains to be seen how they will play it out on the show after that point. We have only the pit scene left really. There will be uncharted territory with Tyrion's arrival - but I think that only brings the "wheel" speech and not much else. The rest will follow the book pretty much this season right?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 18:00:40 GMT
It's really hard to care too much about any of the politics of Meereen when we all know that Dany is just going to say "fuck it" and leave for Westeros anyways without any of these characters being mentioned again. All of the faffing in Meereen is what makes Dany's "FUCK IT ALL, I'M OUT!" moment all the more delicious
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Post by dany4eva on May 11, 2015 18:27:16 GMT
25 mins in the ep and there were FIVE mentions of Catelyn already It just pissed me off more that she was mentioned so many times. I have calmed down now
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Post by King Tommen on May 11, 2015 19:13:53 GMT
Ned Stark gets namechecked all the time too. It's kind of hard not to mention the parents of a group of the main characters, even when they're dead.
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2015 19:22:06 GMT
Ned Stark gets namechecked all the time too. It's kind of hard not to mention the parents of a group of the main characters, even when they're dead. Yeah while someone like Balon is still alive and has been forgotten for years
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Post by King Tommen on May 11, 2015 19:28:10 GMT
I always felt like Balon was an afterthought in the books too. You'd get a list of the War of Five Kings and he'd always be the "oh yeah, and this guy I guess" last entry.
At this point, I just want the show have any character at least just mention he's dead in passing so that we can close off that narrative loop.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 19:35:41 GMT
When is the fighting pits scene?
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2015 19:55:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 20:15:56 GMT
.@iwanrheon discusses Ramsay’s ambitions and his touching moment with dad: itsh.bo/1K1P39A #GOTSeason5 /photo/1
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Post by Enid on May 11, 2015 20:36:05 GMT
Dany's behaviour was a bit weird, but is understandable, she just lost one of her closest allies and the only person who actually knew her family. She lashed out. Once she cool off she tried a more diplomatic route, opening the pits and marriage, which actually surprised me because she basically throws up everytime Hizdahr goes to talk to her.
Personally I'm glad they are simplifying the situation in Meeren, Dany's chapters in DWD were hard to read, I usually had no idea who was who and like other people here said, it felt kinda pointless when you know she is going to take her army and her dragons and go to Westeros at some point or another
Enjoyed the Winterfell scenes, although I wish Sansa had more support, why didn't LF left some of his men to protect her? I know some knights can't do much in a castle full of Boltons, but considering how obsessed LF is with Sansa and how long he waited to have her under his control, it just feels weird to just give her to someone else, and Brienne, the old maid and Theon can't do much if she is married and alone with Ramsay (shudders).
The Wall dragged a little for me, some great scenes like Jon and Aemon, and Stannis proper use of grammar, but I don't know, felt kinda slow
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Post by Enid on May 11, 2015 20:44:07 GMT
.@iwanrheon discusses Ramsay’s ambitions and his touching moment with dad: itsh.bo/1K1P39A #GOTSeason5 /photo/1 Of course a touching moment for the Boltons consits of Roose telling Ramsay he raped her mother and almost threw him in a river...
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 20:47:10 GMT
.@iwanrheon discusses Ramsay’s ambitions and his touching moment with dad: itsh.bo/1K1P39A #GOTSeason5 /photo/1 Of course a touching moment for the Boltons consits of Roose telling Ramsay he raped her mother and almost threw him in a river... Haha I know, such a loving family ... ugh. Poor Walda. I feel as sorry for her as I do Sansa really even though I don't think Roose is as psychotic as Ramsay and not sadistic in bed .... still.
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Post by boojam on May 11, 2015 21:02:59 GMT
Theon serving dinner?!! I mean isn't he ripe enough to gag the kennel dogs?!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 21:09:42 GMT
First time I've seen your blogspot - what a keen sense of dry humor you have. Love it!
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2015 21:18:15 GMT
First time I've seen your blogspot - what a keen sense of dry humor you have. Love it! Thank you! But I think 'keen sense of dry humour' is too high of praise for my bitchy/Stannis is so hot style
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 21:47:37 GMT
First time I've seen your blogspot - what a keen sense of dry humor you have. Love it! Thank you! But I think 'keen sense of dry humour' is too high of praise for my bitchy/Stannis is so hot style See? There you go again . . .
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