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Post by Admin on May 5, 2015 18:17:26 GMT
But Mel killed the 'usurper' so how can Robb be a King in one circumstances but not the other? Yeah well, without much info or context that's what it looks like on its own. This is bad writing when you have to make assumptions maybe she knows this or this based on the book knowledge if there is nothing in the show to indicate it on its own. You get me. I mute the dialogue and stare at her boobs. Maybe I'm just being daft because when I hear her say "we use this to create shadows", I, as an audience member who has seen her use sex to create shadows in the past, immediately inferred that this is what she wanted to do with Jon. I'm not sure what else you're supposed to take away there. "Gee, how is she supposed to do that if Jon doesn't have king's blood?"
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Post by King Tommen on May 5, 2015 18:18:40 GMT
Maybe I'm just being daft because when I hear her say "we use this to create shadows", I, as an audience member who has seen her use sex to create shadows in the past, immediately inferred that this is what she wanted to do with Jon. I'm not sure what else you're supposed to take away there. "Gee, how is she supposed to do that if Jon doesn't have king's blood?" "I guess that means she knows something that we don't. Hmmmm, interesting."
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:19:22 GMT
There's no question why Mel tried to seduce Jon, especially since Brienne just reminded the audience about the shadow assassin a few episodes earlier.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:19:33 GMT
I think it's been well established on the show that Mel uses her sexuality as a means to an end in order to enact whatever magical result she is in need of. She has never used her sexuality because she's "horny".Most of the audience understand this. She seduces Stannis when she wants to make the shadow baby. She seduces Gendry when she needs his blood for the leeches and she seduces Jon because she tells him she needs another shadow baby. There are plenty of other scenes where she interacts with males that she has no interest in seducing because that would serve no practical purpose for her. She knows Jon is special and has been stalking him since she first saw him at the end of last season. Just because she hasn't come out and stated "You're special because....", doesn't make this any less true. She either has seen that he's a secret Targ or she knows Stark blood has power the way King's blood does. I think there's way too much misreading of the scene by people looking to complain about nudity on the show and not listen to the dialogue (which is actually extremely important and foreshadows a lot as far as Jon goes). To quote Mel from season 4: "It's just flesh. It needs what it needs" I think that means she's quite content to satiate her more human desires.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:19:33 GMT
Yes, she did clearly state that having sex with Jon Snow was the power to cast light and the power to cast shadows...but then when Jon protested and gave his "reasons" (yeah right Jon haha) she quipped back that they should just keep it a secret and who cares if he loved another, it's not about love. Well gee, I don't know how else that can be interpreted either than "hey lets just fuck because there's power in you... " ok! Wait, what power again? Uh. Ok. We knew Gendry was a bastard of Robert Baratheon, quite a bit of a difference there!
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Post by King Tommen on May 5, 2015 18:23:25 GMT
I think this is one of those things that once all the info comes out later in the season, that some people can think of this scene and say "I should have been paying more attention, she was hinting at something here that I totally get now."
They probably don't want to give away the farm a this point. I've seen a lot of people complaining about the "anvil" of hints this episode about R+L=J and so I'm surprised that there is also a need for Mel to be even more explicit about her motives.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:23:59 GMT
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2015 18:24:13 GMT
"Gee, how is she supposed to do that if Jon doesn't have king's blood?" "I guess that means she knows something that we don't. Hmmmm, interesting." Well I sense nonsense There's no question why Mel tried to seduce Jon, especially since Brienne just reminded the audience about the shadow assassin a few episodes earlier. Yes, but that makes that assassin not a unique kind of magic that comes from king's blood as Melisandre was going on and on about in previous seasons but now it makes it the kind of thing Mel can do with anyone she thinks is 'special'. Shame she didn't bang Beric, they would have made LOST's smoke monster no problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:25:05 GMT
Also, to everyone's belief Jon is the brother of Robb Stark the last King in the North. So, he very much has king's blood from a recent king (a king by the way that she herself cursed). But Mel killed the 'usurper' so how can Robb be a King in one circumstances but not the other? I think it's been well established on the show that Mel uses her sexuality as a means to an end in order to enact whatever magical result she is in need of. She has never used her sexuality because she's "horny".Most of the audience understand this. She seduces Stannis when she wants to make the shadow baby. She seduces Gendry when she needs his blood for the leeches and she seduces Jon because she tells him she needs another shadow baby. There are plenty of other scenes where she interacts with males that she has no interest in seducing because that would serve no practical purpose for her. She knows Jon is special and has been stalking him since she first saw him at the end of last season. Just because she hasn't come out and stated "You're special because....", doesn't make this any less true. She either has seen that he's a secret Targ or she knows Stark blood has power the way King's blood does. I think there's way too much misreading of the scene by people looking to complain about nudity on the show and not listen to the dialogue (which is actually extremely important and foreshadows a lot as far as Jon goes). Yeah well, without much info or context that's what it looks like on its own. This is bad writing when you have to make assumptions maybe she knows this or this based on the book knowledge if there is nothing in the show to indicate it on its own. You get me. I mute the dialogue and stare at her boobs. Well, he could have been a usurper but her was still king. Robert was a usurper (to some) doesn't mean he wasn't king. As to the info on Mel just getting started with Jon, ehk, I am not looking forward to that. Poor Jon...
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Post by King Tommen on May 5, 2015 18:26:00 GMT
I'm confused. Do you not think that Jon has King's blood? Do you not think this is something that Mel can sense? Seems like that's well within her powers.
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2015 18:26:56 GMT
I think this is one of those things that once all the info comes out later in the season, that some people can think of this scene and say "I should have been paying more attention, she was hinting at something here that I totally get now." They probably don't want to give away the farm a this point. I've seen a lot of people complaining about the "anvil" of hints this episode about R+L=J and so I'm surprised that there is also a need for Mel to be even more explicit about her motives. Oh God, please no more ' explicit' Mel
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:28:34 GMT
I think this is one of those things that once all the info comes out later in the season, that some people can think of this scene and say "I should have been paying more attention, she was hinting at something here that I totally get now." They probably don't want to give away the farm a this point. I've seen a lot of people complaining about the "anvil" of hints this episode about R+L=J and so I'm surprised that there is also a need for Mel to be even more explicit about her motives. It seemed like she was starting to explain it with the light vs shadow thing but it sorta felt like religious fluff talk. Especially when it then turned to "let's not tell Stannis!" Maybe that's the bit I take exception with. I'm not necessarily looking for an all out reveal in that conversation. I was hoping for a little more information to support her magical theories and why there's power in Jon. Not explicitly but inherently why. Hope that makes sense. But as you say, we may just need to wait longer for it to make more sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:28:32 GMT
"I guess that means she knows something that we don't. Hmmmm, interesting." Well I sense nonsense There's no question why Mel tried to seduce Jon, especially since Brienne just reminded the audience about the shadow assassin a few episodes earlier. Yes, but that makes that assassin not a unique kind of magic that comes from king's blood as Melisandre was going on and on about in previous seasons but now it makes it the kind of thing Mel can do with anyone she thinks is 'special'. Shame she didn't bang Beric, they would have made LOST's smoke monster no problem. I can only assume Jon does have kingsblood because of the hints in episode four that bludgeoned me in the head and left a twitching, lifeless body on my couch on Sunday night.
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2015 18:29:14 GMT
But Mel killed the 'usurper' so how can Robb be a King in one circumstances but not the other? Yeah well, without much info or context that's what it looks like on its own. This is bad writing when you have to make assumptions maybe she knows this or this based on the book knowledge if there is nothing in the show to indicate it on its own. You get me. I mute the dialogue and stare at her boobs. Well, he could have been a usurper but her was still king. Robert was a usurper (to some) doesn't mean he wasn't king. As to the info on Mel just getting started with Jon, ehk, I am not looking forward to that. Poor Jon... So Mel considers him King yet the magic against usurpers works? That's contradictory. I'm confused. Do you not think that Jon has King's blood? Do you not think this is something that Mel can sense? Seems like that's well within her powers. You seem unable to divide what you know from books and what you know from the show. What I know from books shouldn't be the only way of understanding what is going on in the scene. Especially that resorting van Houten to being the chick who always gets naked could have been avoided with a scene making more sense where she keeps her clothes and doesn't talk like a horny Batman's prostitute.
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2015 18:29:54 GMT
Well I sense nonsense Yes, but that makes that assassin not a unique kind of magic that comes from king's blood as Melisandre was going on and on about in previous seasons but now it makes it the kind of thing Mel can do with anyone she thinks is 'special'. Shame she didn't bang Beric, they would have made LOST's smoke monster no problem. I can only assume Jon does have kingsblood because of the hints in episode four that bludgeoned me in the head and left a twitching, lifeless body on my couch on Sunday night. What hints?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:32:19 GMT
Well, he could have been a usurper but her was still king. Robert was a usurper (to some) doesn't mean he wasn't king. As to the info on Mel just getting started with Jon, ehk, I am not looking forward to that. Poor Jon... So Mel considers him King yet the magic against usurpers works? That's contradictory. I'm confused. Do you not think that Jon has King's blood? Do you not think this is something that Mel can sense? Seems like that's well within her powers. You seem unable to divide what you know from books and what you know from the show. What I know from books shouldn't be the only way of understanding what is going on in the scene. Especially that resorting van Houten to being the chick who always gets naked could have been avoided with a scene making more sense where she keeps her clothes and doesn't talk like a horny Batman's prostitute. Being a usurper doesn't mean that he wasn't king, it means that he took someone else's place. So, yes Mel killed a king who too her king's place.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:33:49 GMT
I wonder if Mel would have banged Joffrey ... did he count as having king's blood?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:35:26 GMT
I can only assume Jon does have kingsblood because of the hints in episode four that bludgeoned me in the head and left a twitching, lifeless body on my couch on Sunday night. What hints? "Then he kidnapped Lyanna and raped her." "OH DID HE??"
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Post by King Tommen on May 5, 2015 18:36:14 GMT
Tourney at Harrenhall story, Stannis telling Selyse that Ned wasn't the kind of guy to bang a tavern wench, everyone on the show talking about Rhaegar or Lyanna whenever they get a chance....
Mel telling Jon that they could create a shadow baby would seem to align well with all of this...
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2015 18:36:31 GMT
So Mel considers him King yet the magic against usurpers works? That's contradictory. You seem unable to divide what you know from books and what you know from the show. What I know from books shouldn't be the only way of understanding what is going on in the scene. Especially that resorting van Houten to being the chick who always gets naked could have been avoided with a scene making more sense where she keeps her clothes and doesn't talk like a horny Batman's prostitute. Being a usurper doesn't mean that he wasn't king, it means that he took someone else's place. So, yes Mel killed a king who too her king's place.
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