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Post by kingeomer on Dec 10, 2019 11:55:42 GMT
Episode 4 was kind of a drop for me - Seven Samurai has been adapted plenty of times, even once before in Star Wars, so I was kinda apprehensive about that aspect - but at least it developed the Mandalorian as a character and showed him in a more emotionally vulnerable situation. Episode 5 feels like a real step backward though. I'm fine with some fan service but there should at least be a compelling narrative or character exploration to go along with it, and this episode had neither. I'm especially disappointed because this one was written and directed by Dave Filoni, whose other stuff I've loved, but I think he really dropped the ball here. Episode 5 was the least favorite of myself and my husband. As much as I love Amy Sedaris her character felt very out of place. And I could not stand Jake Cannavale or his character. My husband was surprised that this episode was done by Dave Filoni.
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Post by day dreamer on Dec 13, 2019 18:11:38 GMT
5 was definitely the weakest but it was still good TV. I'm always happy to see Ming-Na
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Post by Basil on Dec 18, 2019 20:50:03 GMT
I have discovered that, two years later, I still love the hell out of The Last Jedi. It may have some issues, but oh boy, does it also have some of the highest highs in the entire saga for me.
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Post by Basil on Dec 18, 2019 20:55:50 GMT
Season 8 is gonna suck hard. It's obvious they are so ready to move on and now they got Star Wars to look forward to? Ooh boy. Davey tried to warn us.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Dec 18, 2019 22:08:58 GMT
I have discovered that, two years later, I still love the hell out of The Last Jedi. It may have some issues, but oh boy, does it also have some of the highest highs in the entire saga for me. Agreed. I don’t even hate the casino scene like everyone else seems to, i just think that pacing-wise it is a poor idea. The film would work a lot better if all of this wasnt supposed to take place in...is it hours or days? I know its too short a time frame anyway. But i really liked the concept of lihting a spark of resistance wherever hey go to keep the fight burning. i havent opened my youtube app since sunday in case of spoilers
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Post by Father of Dragons on Dec 18, 2019 22:15:04 GMT
I have discovered that, two years later, I still love the hell out of The Last Jedi. It may have some issues, but oh boy, does it also have some of the highest highs in the entire saga for me. Yeah I also watched it the other day, and as you say it's not perfect, but when it's good, it's really fucking good. Despite having now seen it multiple times, there are parts that still make me tear up. I'm gonna be such a mess tomorrow
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Post by day dreamer on Dec 19, 2019 14:48:22 GMT
Having read all the spoilers for The Rise of Skywalker (holy shit I cannot believe that entire movie leaked months ago) I'm prepared to see it tonight. I know what I won't like, but I'm hoping I just enjoy myself for the rest of the time.
I still really like The Last Jedi too. I think the Rey/Kylo scenes are my favorite things in Star Wars to be honest. I love it.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Dec 19, 2019 15:00:50 GMT
2019 is the year of big franchise fumbles: As someone who loved The Last Jedi, I can't say I'm interested in a film that tries to undo it and cater to fans. My last favorite part of this series is fan service (why were C3PO and R2D2 in Rogue One?) and this seems loaded with it.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Dec 19, 2019 16:24:42 GMT
Rise of Skywalker is certainly a movie JJ did not like the last Jedi and it really shows
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Dec 19, 2019 21:56:23 GMT
I really really really wanted to like this film. I did not
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Post by Father of Dragons on Dec 19, 2019 22:52:18 GMT
Still so disappointed It's as if they forgot how to make a movie. The pacing for the first half (hell, for most of the movie) is at breakneck speed. I can't believe the same guy who did TFA did this. I get the feeling that he got a mandate from the higher ups that was something like "Last Jedi made people angry, we want you to undo that", to which JJ heard "Undo Last Jedi? You got it!".
It felt so much like a fanfiction. Snoke clones and Rey Palpatine should be confined to shitty reddit threads and youtube videos. Now I have to imagine wrinkly old Sheev having a child. This is the 'Cursed Child' of Star Wars.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Dec 19, 2019 23:15:53 GMT
I just read a couple of spoilers and holy shit. Why?
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Post by Father of Dragons on Dec 19, 2019 23:59:37 GMT
I just read a couple of spoilers and holy shit. Why? I suppose they just went for appeasement. Unfortunately they tried to appease certain people two movies too late so now nobody's happy. When TLJ came out, and people said that these movies should’ve been all planned out in advance, I didn’t agree. Although tonally it is quite different from TFA, I think that in terms of both theme and character development it’s a very natural continuation. And just because the movies aren’t all planned in advance doesn’t mean they can’t be good. The originals as they are are very different from how Lucas would’ve envisioned them initially.
Having now seen ROS, yeah I totally get it. The words I keep seeing thrown around are “course correction”, which is basically all the movie is (I disagree that it needed correcting but whatever).
Oh you think Rey is overpowered and don’t buy that some people can just be powerful on their own? Uhh I guess she’s a Palpatine Oh shit we need an explanation for Snoke don’t we? Uhh he’s a clone or something idk. Throw some Snoke bodies in a tank and that’s the question answered Let’s also just throw in some other fanservicey things which were not even slightly alluded to in previous films cause we need to please everyone
They just feel like such knee-jerk reactions to criticisms of the previous movies and they lack the guts to just stick to their guns and put out a movie that they want to make, not what the loudest critics want. There’s a recent quote from Rian Johnson floating around (I don’t think he’s responding directly to ROS, rather just in general) about how approaching a movie with the intent to make fans happy is a mistake. Obviously that sort of thing is subjective and there are shades of grey in terms in that sort of thing, but I really couldn’t agree more in this context.
I would disagree that the movie is “safe” though. There’s definitely an element of risk in actively working against its predecessor.
I should say I liked parts of it. But on the whole it’s a big disappointment. Since I'm almost certainly going to see it again (because yes I am part of the problem) maybe I'll soften on it.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Dec 20, 2019 0:05:24 GMT
I did not actively hate this film and there are quite a few things to praise -from a non-spoiler perspective, Adam Driver and the visuals of the entire movie jump to mind. Going into spoiler territory I agree with Father of Dragons that the pacing was a hot mess, with the first half at least a mish mash of scenes that seemed to be cut and pasted together rather than being part of a cohesive film. Though there were still some absolutely wonderful scenes in amongst thos.
The final showdown with Palpatine was excellent though. I may not have liked that plot decision but the showdown itself was awesome. Terrifying and atmospheric, slightly horrific, visually breathtaking. And some cool force effects like with Rey dropping the lightsaber behind her so Ren could defeat his Knights (who, by the way, lol, what nobodies they turned out to be). Probably the strongest section of the film
C3PO was actually really funny and entertaining in this one too, and normally i just find him irritating
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Post by Basil on Dec 20, 2019 0:07:21 GMT
I just read a couple of spoilers and holy shit. Why? Because nerds on the internet bitched so much about the last movie that Disney got worried they'd miss out on cash. I haven't seen the new movie yet (and probably won't be able to see it until next week), but I read the synopsis on Wikipedia and it really does give me strong Cursed Child vibes, in the sense that it truly does sound like bad fanfiction on paper. It's pretty fucking sad that Disney didn't have the integrity to stick to the creative vision and rich storytelling of The Last Jedi. Instead, they seem to have completely caved in to the demands of the "fans", and are now doing their darndest to erase The Last Jedi from the canon. And what we're left with is a story full of retcon, cheap fanservice and nostalgia, but ultimately no deeper meaning. Well done, internet.
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Post by Basil on Dec 20, 2019 0:16:25 GMT
Anyway, if you have 40 minutes to spare, this is a pretty great video analysis on The Last Jedi and the ridiculous backlash it created:
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Post by Singer of Death on Dec 20, 2019 0:20:34 GMT
It's easy to pin the blame on anyone for TROS or even the sequel trilogy. Like while the internet might had been partially the blame given it's rabid fanbase, the contributions between JJ Abram and Rian didn't help the case. And even then Star War is under Disney's proprieties and their executive ideas most likely interfered with the films.
Granted I never watch the sequel triology, though reading about the plot for TROS doesn't sound appealing. But if any of you liked TROS regardless, please avoid social media. It already became a shitstorm.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Dec 20, 2019 1:24:25 GMT
Anyway, if you have 40 minutes to spare, this is a pretty great video analysis on The Last Jedi and the ridiculous backlash it created: This is now my favourite video, but you can tell it was made before TROS and it just makes me sadder. That said, I think it’s really important (for me) to remember and keep in mind that although I didn’t like this new movie, it’s very easy to slip into those angry and hateful places that TLJ inadvertently created. Like I don’t want to type out some very long, very aggressive paragraph about how much I didn’t like it, or maybe even find myself in a community where that’s the only thing people do, only to have my sort of “Luke-glove” moment (for lack of a better description) where I look at what I’ve typed and think “hey, that looks familiar”. There will be people who like this new movie and that’s fine. In fact the two people who I actually talk about Star Wars to in person both really liked the Last Jedi and also enjoyed Rise of Skywalker. So I never want to get into some place where I’m like “NO, this was OBJECTIVELY BAD”, and this video is a solid reminder for me - and all of us - not to fall into that trap. As I’ve said, I was disappointed, but I plan (after a few days) to just move on and accept it. And also hope and pray that Rian Johnson comes back for his trilogy please Rian I miss you
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Post by Father of Dragons on Dec 20, 2019 14:27:20 GMT
I choose to believe this happened
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Dec 20, 2019 20:44:15 GMT
It's easy to pin the blame on anyone for TROS or even the sequel trilogy. Like while the internet might had been partially the blame given it's rabid fanbase, the contributions between JJ Abram and Rian didn't help the case. And even then Star War is under Disney's proprieties and their executive ideas most likely interfered with the films. Granted I never watch the sequel triology, though reading about the plot for TROS doesn't sound appealing. But if any of you liked TROS regardless, please avoid social media. It already became a shitstorm. If you’ve never watched the sequel trilogy you shouldn’t really comment on it. Otherwise you are just parroting the opinions of others without having any idea if you really agree with them
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