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Post by Basil on May 17, 2018 22:05:53 GMT
Oh man. Is it just me or does this look really bad and lame.
I have a complicated relationship with Charmed nowadays, but I used to absolutely love it when I was a kid. I was obsessed with it, and it will therefore always have a very special place in my heart. This just feels so, so wrong ... I can't even.
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Post by kingeomer on May 18, 2018 12:13:58 GMT
I think a Charmed remake is so unnecessary.
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Post by Basil on May 20, 2018 8:19:22 GMT
So, I finished the second season of 13 Reasons Why. In many ways, I liked it more than the first season. The characters were a lot less black and white, maybe because we got to know them more intimately, as it wasn't all told from Hannah's perspective. The first half of the season was really slow and kind of a chore to get through though. It often felt like a generic high school drama, very different from the surreal, anxiety-inducing tone of the first season. The second half was much better. It was also really preachy. Somehow, it felt even more preachy than the first season. Sometimes you could literally feel how a thing that a character said was just the writers of the show trying to get a message across, it was done with the subtlety of an after school special. But it was still great. I don't want to sound more negative than I am, because I actually really loved this season. It had so, so many beautiful moments that made it worth it for me ... even with all its problems, it was still amazing. The two scenes that I loved the most were both in the finale. First, Clay's speech at Hannah's memorial. Such a wonderfully written scene, and beautifully acted by Dylan Minnette. I watched it like five times and I couldn't get through it even once without bawling.
The other one was my favourite scene in the entire show. It was the moment during the dance, when The Night We Met started playing, and the rest of the gang came up to Clay to comfort him. That was so beautiful and sad. I literally have no words. I think the entire season was worth it just for that one moment.
But, I gotta say, I'm very disappointed in the way things left off. GOD. They had it! They had a perfect series finale at their hands, but they just had to ruin it for the purpose of a sequel. I was so happy when Clay's family offered to adopt Justin, but of course they had to show him still using drugs. If only they had scrapped the whole Jessica/Justin/Alex ordeal and the entire school shooting storyline, they could have ended the show right here, and it would have been a perfect, bittersweet ending to Hannah's story. With her mum moving on, Clay letting her go, and the entire gang coming together as one at the end. You don't need to keep on going from here, this show was always about Hannah, and the last episode of this season would have been the perfect conclusion, if only they had gotten rid of the superfluous stuff that was only there to set up Season 3.
I loved the season, but that ending left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm curious to hear what you guys think about this season.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 20, 2018 10:00:43 GMT
It's on my to watch list Basil, hoping to get around to it next week. I liked season but was worried they might have overdone it by continuing to a second season. Will be happy to be wrong though!
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Post by Zadeth on May 24, 2018 2:56:22 GMT
I am so fucking offended that they are remaking Charmed
this is a personal attack on me
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Post by Singer of Death on May 24, 2018 4:16:32 GMT
It least it doesn't look bad as the Heathers remake. Don't look it up...
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Post by day dreamer on May 25, 2018 17:26:15 GMT
So, I finished the second season of 13 Reasons Why. In many ways, I liked it more than the first season. The characters were a lot less black and white, maybe because we got to know them more intimately, as it wasn't all told from Hannah's perspective. The first half of the season was really slow and kind of a chore to get through though. It often felt like a generic high school drama, very different from the surreal, anxiety-inducing tone of the first season. The second half was much better. It was also really preachy. Somehow, it felt even more preachy than the first season. Sometimes you could literally feel how a thing that a character said was just the writers of the show trying to get a message across, it was done with the subtlety of an after school special. But it was still great. I don't want to sound more negative than I am, because I actually really loved this season. It had so, so many beautiful moments that made it worth it for me ... even with all its problems, it was still amazing. The two scenes that I loved the most were both in the finale. First, Clay's speech at Hannah's memorial. Such a wonderfully written scene, and beautifully acted by Dylan Minnette. I watched it like five times and I couldn't get through it even once without bawling.
The other one was my favourite scene in the entire show. It was the moment during the dance, when The Night We Met started playing, and the rest of the gang came up to Clay to comfort him. That was so beautiful and sad. I literally have no words. I think the entire season was worth it just for that one moment.
But, I gotta say, I'm very disappointed in the way things left off. GOD. They had it! They had a perfect series finale at their hands, but they just had to ruin it for the purpose of a sequel. I was so happy when Clay's family offered to adopt Justin, but of course they had to show him still using drugs. If only they had scrapped the whole Jessica/Justin/Alex ordeal and the entire school shooting storyline, they could have ended the show right here, and it would have been a perfect, bittersweet ending to Hannah's story. With her mum moving on, Clay letting her go, and the entire gang coming together as one at the end. You don't need to keep on going from here, this show was always about Hannah, and the last episode of this season would have been the perfect conclusion, if only they had gotten rid of the superfluous stuff that was only there to set up Season 3.
I loved the season, but that ending left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm curious to hear what you guys think about this season. Copy pasting my thoughts from another forum. For a show that came under so much fire for how they portrayed suicide last season, they were really flippant in the way they shoo horned that rape in episode 13. I also agree that I don't think they have encouraged any viewers to come forward with the way they were handling trials. I get it, they're going for realism. In reality, that's exactly what would happen. But I think the show runners had an opportunity to at least give their characters some sense of legal justice. They could've added a disclaimer saying "Most cases don't end like this, don't let that stop you from coming forward" and so on if they needed to. I'm thinking of myself as a sexual assault victim that didn't come forward back when it happened. If I had been watching this at the time, I don't think I'd be encouraged either.
I'm so frustrated with this season. This show made late season True Blood and The Walking Dead level writing mistakes. It's particularly egregious when they actually had some decent material buried in there.
THE GOOD
The way Jessica dealt with her rape was very realistic and the actress was excellent. I only have two complaints about this, and it's Nina and Justin, more on them later.
The acting in general was really great all around. The weaker actors (the ones playing Courtney, Ryan, Skye, etc) were on screen the least and that gave everyone else the room to shine.
I really liked Hannah's memorial, and Clay's speech. That moment I felt was the only time GhostHannah was justified. That was a very touching scene that actually made me cry.
The scene of all the kids holding each other at the dance was really special.
While I think the addition of Hannah's flashbacks mostly failed, one I thought really worked was showing her relationships with Ryan, whom I barely felt was her friend last season. And Tony. It worked well there.
Tyler, until the last episode I also thought had a good revenge story going.
The therapist owning up to what a shitty job he did last season gave me life.
THE BAD
GhostHannah. I get why the show would want to keep Katherine Langford around. I do. She's great, she and Dylan Minnette have excellent chemistry together. But that was such an unnecessary move. They should've limited her to flashbacks, and at the very least the memorial scene in Clay's thoughts. But to have her as a ghost talking to Clay really dragged the story down.
Zach and Hannah's relationship. I know that some think it's really sweet but I can't get past the reconning of this. The showrunners said they wanted to show her with happy memories, yet they use Zach, a person with a tape and this entire summer never comes up even once on it? I don't buy "I was keeping this for myself." Zach literally told Clay last season that he knew Hannah more than anyone....bitch, no he didn't. Apparently you did.
Hannah's 2 minute past as a bully - I still can't for the life of me understand the purpose of this. The showrunners already retcon her summer to show her being happy, then throw in that she was a bully at her old school? The defense didn't need that and neither did the audience. It felt so insincere.
Nina - Nina worked as a plot device to Jessica, but her stealing the polaroids and burning them rendered one of the most interesting aspects of this season worthless. I'm not understanding the logic of having the one character in this show solely to help a rape victim silencing other victims with this action.
Justin and Jessica at the dance - Their hook up I'm sure was supposed to represent Jessica no longer being afraid of men, but coming right on the heels of she and Alex kissing was poor timing. Keeping him a junkie isn't helping either.
Chloe was a massive cliche, though her getting intimidated on the witness stand was believable. It felt like a bait and switch.
And finally, the school shooting. I thought that was what the entire season was going to be about and it's nothing but a cliffhanger. I'm not going to say it's in poor timing. This show can't help that it was released on the same day as yet another school shooting in the states, but from a story telling standpoint. I think they should've started with the shooting, and kept the trial against the school. It could've been another layer and another example of what bullying can do. Using it as a cliffhanger again cheapens it.
THE UGLY
What was the point of having Tyler raped with a mop handle? and by fucking Monty, a dude that I had to look up to see if he was even in the first season because he's so generic looking. Getting beat up would've been enough incentive for Tyler. Adding this rape felt gratuitous, especially the way it was shot. Kyle Patrick Alvarez directed this episode. I loved a film he did before, The Stanford Prison Experiment, but shot it in a way that almost reveled in the violence of the act. I think Gregg Araki, who directed several episodes should've taken this one if they had to leave this rape in at all.
That was a lot, but I have a lot of feelings. I definitely agree with your two favorite parts, those were my favorites too.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 28, 2018 12:38:40 GMT
I've gotta say I think there was more bad than good with S2 of 13 Reasons Why. I don't think a full 13-episode season was necessary. There were only a few loose ends from season one, and the fact that those were dragged out over the entire season reinforces my belief. First off I need to apologise for something I think I said after the first season (maybe it was elsewhere but I'm pretty sure I said it), because I rewatched that before this one came out. I must be really dumb for not noticing the pattern in Mr Porter's behaviour. I think I said something along the lines of "the way he acted in the finale isn't consistent with how he was portrayed previously in the season" and I can't believe how oblivious I must've been to have missed all the signs. Clearly I would also be an awful counselor. Clay seeing Hannah honestly felt like a bit of a gag to me, and any point where she confessed something or apologised to him felt a little hollow, since it's actually Clay talking to himself, and I'm annoyed that that was never really addressed (they almost went there when he had his breakdown outside Bryce's, but they still kept bringing her out after that point). But I thought it was approproate at the funeral, which was a very nice scene. I thought all the new characters were largely unlikeable or otherwise unnecessary. I honestly didn't care for any of them when they were onscreen. Like Tyler's friends, who it seemed were only there to drag out his storyline. I agree with day dreamer - if they were so adamant to include this school shooting subplot it should've opened the season. Also a lot of characters from S1 seemed to just disappear halfway through the season. Like Courtney, Ryan, Marcus, Sheri. They all got their brief time in the spotlight then were never seen again. And wtf was with the jocks becoming the fucking mob? That felt so dumb, especially since we don't even get an explanation for why Monty is so committed to Bryce beyond "muh sports". The other kinda major problem I had (which I also noticed in S1) - I think Alex is either poorly written or terribly miscast. I just can't buy a lot of what they want me to believe. I just think that, physically, the actor doesn't suit the role. He mostly does a good job with the acting, but some of the lines seem too foreign to him, if that makes any sense. It just doesn't work for me. On a similar note, I found it weird that he had that tussle with Zach in the locker room and then it was LITERALLY NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN. That seems like another setup for a third season, which is really disappointing. I don't know why they're so determined to get a third season, especially when they've already wrapped some things up like the Bakers moving on and Mr Porter being fired. If there is a S3, it's probably not gonna be focused on Hannah at all, which is a mistake IMO. Then there's the fucking rape scene in the last episode, which was just so inessential and gratuitous and I'm really frustrated that they felt the need to put that in. I read up on it, and the creator says it was so we could feel empathy for Tyler, but fucking hell there's a hundred better ways to do that than having him get raped. I don't want to be all negative though, there were a lot of things I liked. Although I wasn't a fan of the endings, the storylines for Jessica and Justin were pretty solid and well-acted if the writing failed at points. I also liked seeing Hannah's friendship with Tony and Zach (even if the latter is a total retcon and was never once hinted at last season). And I'll admit, although the defense lawyer's aggressive tactics really stretched my suspension of disbelief, I enjoyed most of the courtroom scenes. Especially Mr Porter owning up to his mistakes and apologising to the Bakers. I honestly think I enjoyed it for the most part until the last episode, which felt so disjointed from the rest and made so many mistakes that I can only think about all the negatives.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 30, 2018 0:23:19 GMT
Rewatching UKS before I start the new season and I forgot how funny season 1 is. Peeno Noir
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Post by day dreamer on May 30, 2018 2:23:04 GMT
Do we still need spoiler tags for 13 Reasons Why? Someone on another forum got into a fight with me because I said the counselor did a poor job in his last meeting with Hannah in season one. So seeing him actually admit it and try to do better this season was kind of vindicating.
Fuck you rando, I WAS RIGHT
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 30, 2018 15:01:48 GMT
Do we still need spoiler tags for 13 Reasons Why? Someone on another forum got into a fight with me because I said the counselor did a poor job in his last meeting with Hannah in season one. So seeing him actually admit it and try to do better this season was kind of vindicating.
Fuck you rando, I WAS RIGHT Wtf? How could you even argue against that? on a related note, I watched the first episode of season 2 this morning. Obviously it’s early to judge but I wasn’t impressed. Does the whole season feel like it is retconning the story in season one or just this episode? Also I forget, who was tape 9 again?
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Post by day dreamer on May 30, 2018 17:32:37 GMT
Do we still need spoiler tags for 13 Reasons Why? Someone on another forum got into a fight with me because I said the counselor did a poor job in his last meeting with Hannah in season one. So seeing him actually admit it and try to do better this season was kind of vindicating.
Fuck you rando, I WAS RIGHT Wtf? How could you even argue against that? on a related note, I watched the first episode of season 2 this morning. Obviously it’s early to judge but I wasn’t impressed. Does the whole season feel like it is retconning the story in season one or just this episode? Also I forget, who was tape 9 again? YES. There's actually a massive retcon in the relationship between Hannah and one of the tape subjects that I still can't wrap my head around. According to Wikipedia the tape order goes 1: Justin 2: Jessica 3: Alex 4: Tyler 5: Courtney 6: Marcus 7: Zach 8: Ryan 9: Justin again 10: Sheri 11: Clay 12: Bryce 13: Mr. Porter
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 9, 2018 12:26:14 GMT
FInished my rewatch of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt up to season 3, which was much better than I remembered it being first time around. I adore Jane Krakowski as Jacqueline. Dove straight into season 4 and love it so far. oh foop thisis The final season! and it’s only half of the season so far
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Post by Basil on Jun 9, 2018 14:24:13 GMT
Jacqueline is my spirit animal. Sometimes, I think I love her more than Titus.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 9, 2018 15:40:59 GMT
I had a productive day watching all six episodes and now I’m sad that I have to wait for the last six. My favourite was Kimmy and the Beest. Anyway, on a general not too spoilery note, I would say the overarching theme for this season was inspired by the #MeToo movement and the various Hollywood scandals. As well as explicit references (there is a Weinstein folder on screen at one point) and call backs to earlier seasons (Mr. Frumpus the puppet) there is a lot of tangentially related stuff like the MRA movement, privilege, identity etc. And yet the show still retains its weird, wacky and quirky aesthetic. C.H.E.R.Y.L was a fun addition for example. I look forward to the latter half. I suspect the split was motivated by awards season - releasing the first half when they did makes them eligible for Emmys this year
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 9, 2018 20:57:38 GMT
This is my monthly reminder that ya'll need to watch Hannibal.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 9, 2018 22:28:13 GMT
This is my monthly reminder that ya'll need to watch Hannibal. and you need to watch westworld, b*tch.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 9, 2018 22:43:44 GMT
So rude!
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 9, 2018 23:02:26 GMT
*obligatory The Americans rec* Seriously though such a great series and brilliant finale. Probably my favourite series finale from any shows I have ever watched
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 11, 2018 12:07:51 GMT
I had a productive day watching all six episodes and now I’m sad that I have to wait for the last six. My favourite was Kimmy and the Beest. Anyway, on a general not too spoilery note, I would say the overarching theme for this season was inspired by the #MeToo movement and the various Hollywood scandals. As well as explicit references (there is a Weinstein folder on screen at one point) and call backs to earlier seasons (Mr. Frumpus the puppet) there is a lot of tangentially related stuff like the MRA movement, privilege, identity etc. And yet the show still retains its weird, wacky and quirky aesthetic. C.H.E.R.Y.L was a fun addition for example. I look forward to the latter half. I suspect the split was motivated by awards season - releasing the first half when they did makes them eligible for Emmys this year I left off at the DJ Fingablast episode (which I quite liked, as I think it could earn Jon Hamm a guest actor in comedy nod...and it definitely showed how abusers can totally gaslight people)... C.H.E.R.Y.L is a fun character.
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